Ftk
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| Quote (madbat.089 @ Jan. 25 2011,19:35) | | Quote (Ftk @ Jan. 25 2011,16:55) | | Quote (madbat.089 @ Jan. 25 2011,18:22) | | Quote (Ftk @ Jan. 25 2011,16:06) | maybe this sentence is what is confusing you....
"I meant I'm glad that there are anti-abortion activists keeping a close eye on abortion clinics."
Not all people who are against abortion are standing in front of abortion clinics waving crazy ass signs and yelling at anyone who walks by. Remember that please. I would not feel comfortable leaving all issues in regard to abortion left in the hands of pro choice activists. Hence "I'm glad there are anti-abortion activists" out there keeping tabs on these clinics as well.
You're either honestly confused in regard to my meaning, or you're trying to paint me in a bad light. I have no clue what makes some of you tick, so I won't try to figure out which it is. Maybe I should have used the word advocate instead of activist as activists sometimes paints a more harsh picture. |
Ftk, instead of endless excuses and whining about being misunderstood, maybe you could simply spell out EXACTLY what you meant with your flowery euphemisms "going after abortion doctors" and "anti-abortion activists keeping a close eye"
cuz, for most of us here who make regular use of the english language, "going after" someone has a very clear, very not-so-peaceful meaning... |
Ok. I had no idea that after all I've said about this issue that someone would actually think I've pulled a 180 at this point in time. Gads.
Let's see....no "flowery euphemisms"....
I am abundantly grateful that there are human beings who are opposed to abortion and are willing to get involved and gather information and statistics on what is going on at clinics. I'm also glad that they work at some type of legislation on these issues. I do not want people like Gosnell to be able to get away with some of the (I'd say crimes) that he has. Yes, people who are pro-choice can obviously be beneficial to this process, but, personally, I wouldn't be comfortable knowing that only people who are not opposed to abortion were making all the decisions.
I am also saying that I cannot personally get involved because I simply do not know how to make decisions in regard to how and when an abortion should be acceptable. I know how I feel personally, but I also know that abortions will occur regardless of whether they are legal or not. So, I take the cop out...which I'm not very proud of, but I simply can't emotionally deal with making those decisions.
I really hope that is clear enough because I think I've read over it 15 times now before posting. |
Ok, so your position seems to be as follows:
- Abortion is murder
- Since murder is wrong, the people who carry out abortions (the pregnant woman and the doctors) should be punished
- but they should be punished only in some cases
- you can't make up your mind in which cases they should be or shouldn't be punished
- they shouldn't be punished by law (that's a clear logical consequence of your position that you would not vote for an anti-abortion law)
- but people should make laws about abortions
in summary: huh? |
-Abortion is murder
That is how I view it, yes
- Since murder is wrong, the people who carry out abortions (the pregnant woman and the doctors) should be punished
No, unless we're looking at cases like Gosnell...and, this is where I have a hard time dealing with where to draw the line on what should and what should not be prosecuted.
- but they should be punished only in some cases
yes
- you can't make up your mind in which cases they should be or shouldn't be punished
That is pretty much what I'm saying, yes, and I think if people are honest and give it a lot of serious thought rather than base their conclusions entirely on emotion, most kinda feel the same way.
- they shouldn't be punished by law (that's a clear logical consequence of your position that you would not vote for an anti-abortion law)
Then, i guess I'm not logical, because in some instances there would need to be some kind of punishment depending upon the circumstances of the abortions taking place. In the cases such as what I've heard has occurred at the Gosnell's clinic, there are instances where I would not have a problem voting on an anti-abortion bill of some sort. I've only stated that I will not vote to make abortion legal or illegal. I also cannot vote on where to draw the line. I have no problem voting about whether someone should be prosecuted for killing a child who has lived through the abortion process.
- but people should make laws about abortions
yes, we can't have doctors like Gosnell open for business.
in summary: huh?
Exactly...it's a horrifically difficult subject and even more difficult to try to legislate in some manner.
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"Evolution is a creationism and just as illogical [as] the other pantheistic creation myths" -forastero
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