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stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2019,11:01    the Is It Down site is not totally accurate about the duration, but UD has been down for me for ~ 30 mins so far. I hope it's nothing serious. I'm not ready to lose the Keystone Kreationists just yet

KevinB Posts: 525 Joined: April 2013 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2019,11:10    Quote (stevestory @ June 24 2019,11:01) the Is It Down site is not totally accurate about the duration, but UD has been down for me for ~ 30 mins so far. I hope it's nothing serious. I'm not ready to lose the Keystone Kreationists just yet  :O  :(  ??? It's down for me at the point of writing, but was up earlier. Perhaps KF and BA77 have run the site over the authorised network data limit for the month. Curiously, the thread has just reached page 404. This surely can't be pure random chance.  :D

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2019,11:38    Quote (KevinB @ June 24 2019,12:10) Curiously, the thread has just reached page 404. This surely can't be pure random chance.

KevinB Posts: 525 Joined: April 2013 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2019,12:02    Quote (stevestory @ June 24 2019,11:38) Quote (KevinB @ June 24 2019,12:10) Curiously, the thread has just reached page 404. This surely can't be pure random chance.  :D Did Moses have to go up the mountain to speak to God because that was the only place that had a strong enough signal?

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2019,12:21    Quote (stevestory @ June 24 2019,11:01) the Is It Down site is not totally accurate about the duration, but UD has been down for me for ~ 30 mins so far. I hope it's nothing serious. I'm not ready to lose the Keystone Kreationists just yet  :O  :(  ??? Just think of the psychological damage that this will do to KF and Batshitcrazy77 if this goes on for any length of time.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2019,12:25    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ June 24 2019,13:21) Just think of the psychological damage that this will do to KF and Batshitcrazy77 if this goes on for any length of time. Yeah but BS77's Ctrl-c, ctrl-v carpal-tunnel is getting a tiny rest.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2019,12:26    KF is probably standing outside his front door hollering at the tourists for being sluts.

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2019,12:31    Quote (stevestory @ June 24 2019,12:26) KF is probably standing outside his front door hollering at the tourists for being sluts.  :p And drafting an OP to explain why UD being down is another example of civilization heading towards the cliff.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2019,12:38    He just posted "First Principles" #22, which suggests he's having trouble understanding the definition of 'first'.

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2019,14:37    Or maybe he just has lots of principles?

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2019,20:02    If you write less than 10,000 words, people can easily see your mistakes.

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2019,21:31    Quote Darwinism Must Have Bypassed Chernobyl Chernobyl didn’t produce new species, therefore ID. WTF

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 25 2019,06:26    Quote 2 Brother Brian June 24, 2019 at 8:26 pm Mimus Quote Who hoped this? Producers and directors of b-movies? Because nobody with any understanding of evolution suggested this. Quote 3 Bob O'H June 25, 2019 at 1:58 am Chernobyl should increase the mutation rate (which has been documented), but will only lead to further evolution if there is selection, which we also have evidence for. It’s not obvious how Chernobyl will affect reproductive isolation, though. linky

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 25 2019,08:07    BS77: Quote After a while of repeatedly correcting Bob on these issues, one begins to seriously wonder whether Bob even has the mental capacity to understand these issues. These are elementary mistakes that should be easily learned and corrected by normal people. If you thought that people who were borderline mentally retarded couldn't also be condescending, you stand corrected.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 25 2019,08:40    Quote 20 Bob O'H June 25, 2019 at 7:08 am bs77 @ 18 – Quote And yet you yourself are the one who jumped into this thread and did not address the meat of my argument. i.e. That atheistic materialism cannot support ‘personhood’ in the first place and therefore undermines any legal protection of personhood that might be conveyed upon ‘persons’ under the constitution. I dealt directly with that: the argument is logically incoherent, because it relies on a particular theological view. Therefore, thanks to the establishment clause, it doesn’t have any legal weight in the US. The legal aspect is the meat of your argument, as you are making a legal argument. nice attribution, Bob.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 25 2019,10:22    Quote 23 Hazel June 25, 2019 at 8:53 am ba, you are the one who claims “‘personhood’ itself must necessarily be based on a theological view of life,”, not Bob. Bob is pointing out that a religious definition of personhood such as that can’t be the basis for legal policy.

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 25 2019,11:08    Quote (stevestory @ June 25 2019,08:40) Quote 20 Bob O'H June 25, 2019 at 7:08 am bs77 @ 18 – Quote And yet you yourself are the one who jumped into this thread and did not address the meat of my argument. i.e. That atheistic materialism cannot support ‘personhood’ in the first place and therefore undermines any legal protection of personhood that might be conveyed upon ‘persons’ under the constitution. I dealt directly with that: the argument is logically incoherent, because it relies on a particular theological view. Therefore, thanks to the establishment clause, it doesn’t have any legal weight in the US. The legal aspect is the meat of your argument, as you are making a legal argument. nice attribution, Bob. It's curious how the gravitational attraction of the s key changes whenever bornagain77 calls me "Bob (and weave) O'Hara". I suspect this is not due to evolution by natural selection, but I have yet to calculate its FCSI/O -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 25 2019,11:32    BS77: Quote In fact, the term ‘separation of church and state’ does not even appear anywhere in the constitution but is a term that was lifted out of one of Jefferson’s personal letters to the Danbury Baptists... Oh god what a tedious dumbass. That's the same kinda person who says, "Ah, but we're Not a democracy, we're a Republic!" and then sits back all impressed with themselves. linky

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 25 2019,14:59    Ah so. So if a search of text for "separation" doesn't find anything, then the text says nothing about gaps? Oh wait, "gaps" is for holes in the fossil record rather than gov't documents. Never mind.

Texas Teach Posts: 2084 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 25 2019,15:52    Quote (Henry J @ June 25 2019,14:59) Ah so. So if a search of text for "separation" doesn't find anything, then the text says nothing about gaps? Oh wait, "gaps" is for holes in the fossil record rather than gov't documents. Never mind. If anyone wants to burn a sock, they should ask if the word Jesus appears anywhere in the constitution. -------------- "Creationists think everything Genesis says is true. I don't even think Phil Collins is a good drummer." --J. Carr "I suspect that the English grammar books where you live are outdated" --G. Gaulin

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 25 2019,16:37    Quote (Texas Teach @ June 25 2019,13:52) Quote (Henry J @ June 25 2019,14:59) Ah so. So if a search of text for "separation" doesn't find anything, then the text says nothing about gaps? Oh wait, "gaps" is for holes in the fossil record rather than gov't documents. Never mind. If anyone wants to burn a sock, they should ask if the word Jesus appears anywhere in the constitution. or "soul". -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

Cubist Posts: 558 Joined: Oct. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 25 2019,19:10    Quote (Texas Teach @ June 25 2019,15:52) Quote (Henry J @ June 25 2019,14:59) Ah so. So if a search of text for "separation" doesn't find anything, then the text says nothing about gaps? Oh wait, "gaps" is for holes in the fossil record rather than gov't documents. Never mind. If anyone wants to burn a sock, they should ask if the word Jesus appears anywhere in the constitution. Pretty sure the specific phrases "freedom of speech" and "speedy trial" aren't in the Constitution, either.

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: June 25 2019,19:21    Quote (Cubist @ June 25 2019,19:10) Quote (Texas Teach @ June 25 2019,15:52) Quote (Henry J @ June 25 2019,14:59) Ah so. So if a search of text for "separation" doesn't find anything, then the text says nothing about gaps? Oh wait, "gaps" is for holes in the fossil record rather than gov't documents. Never mind. If anyone wants to burn a sock, they should ask if the word Jesus appears anywhere in the constitution. Pretty sure the specific phrases "freedom of speech" and "speedy trial" aren't in the Constitution, either. But blacks being worth 3/5 of a human is. Go figure.

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 26 2019,02:58    That thread blew up overnight. There's a reason the UK celebrates Thanksgiving on July 4th. -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

JonF Posts: 634 Joined: Feb. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 26 2019,10:28    Quote (stevestory @ June 25 2019,12:32) BS77: Quote In fact, the term ‘separation of church and state’ does not even appear anywhere in the constitution but is a term that was lifted out of one of Jefferson’s personal letters to the Danbury Baptists... Oh god what a tedious dumbass. That's the same kinda person who says, "Ah, but we're Not a democracy, we're a Republic!" and then sits back all impressed with themselves. linky The phrases "checks and balances" and "separation of powers" aren't there either.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 26 2019,14:38    Quote (JonF @ June 26 2019,11:28) Quote (stevestory @ June 25 2019,12:32) BS77:   Quote In fact, the term ‘separation of church and state’ does not even appear anywhere in the constitution but is a term that was lifted out of one of Jefferson’s personal letters to the Danbury Baptists... Oh god what a tedious dumbass. That's the same kinda person who says, "Ah, but we're Not a democracy, we're a Republic!" and then sits back all impressed with themselves. linky The phrases "checks and balances" and "separation of powers" aren't there either. The intellects we're dealing with here are, shall we say, less than radiant.

Ptaylor Posts: 1180 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 27 2019,05:12    Meanwhile the Why some biologists are beginning to question the “biological species concept” thread by Denews has been entertaining to follow. Mimus and Brother Brian kick the comments off pointing out that the implication in the title is simply wrong: the idea that ‘species’ is difficult to impossible to define has been acknowledged by scientists for a very long time. (Bob O’H also points out that the title does not reflect the content that the OP quotes, but hey, it’s Denyse - what do you expect?) The regulars pretty much acknowledge Mimus’ and BB’s point, but being UDers they argue the point anyway. Bornagain77 chimes in several times with his usual barrage of words, quotes and links, twice referring to the ‘point’ he is making. As I write this the final comment is:       Quote 27 Brother Brian June 26, 2019 at 9:18 pm BS77       Quote Aside from the fact that you entirely missed the main point of my post, … You are under the mistaken impression that I, or anyone, reads your entire posts. Ha, note the way he addresses Bornagain. -------------- We no longer say: “Another day; another bad day for Darwinism.” We now say: “Another day since the time Darwinism was disproved.” -PaV, Uncommon Descent, 19 June 2016

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 27 2019,08:37    I can never remember who the secondary players are at UD because if they're science-based people they have to change names as they get banned. So I haven't been reading Mimus's comments, but maybe I should start: Quote 21 Mimus June 26, 2019 at 7:27 pm I’m not sure what the point of this is. For what it’s worth. I genuinely think you are ignorant of the literature on isolating mechanisms. I’m not sure why else you could write the post that you did. Certainly most people posting at UD don’t know much evolutionary biology. There is not shame in that, of course. It’s only holding very strong opinions on topics that you are ignorant about that I object to.

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 27 2019,08:48    Quote (stevestory @ June 25 2019,19:32) BS77:   Quote In fact, the term ‘separation of church and state’ does not even appear anywhere in the constitution but is a term that was lifted out of one of Jefferson’s personal letters to the Danbury Baptists... Oh god what a tedious dumbass. That's the same kinda person who says, "Ah, but we're Not a democracy, we're a Republic!" and then sits back all impressed with themselves. linky Indeed they are their own petite bourgeoisie corner store monarchy .... without the class, stables or birth delivery anniversary near  the Ides of March. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 27 2019,09:04    Quote (stevestory @ June 27 2019,16:37) I can never remember who the secondary players are at UD because if they're science-based people they have to change names as they get banned. So I haven't been reading Mimus's comments, but maybe I should start: Quote 21 Mimus June 26, 2019 at 7:27 pm I’m not sure what the point of this is. For what it’s worth. I genuinely think you are ignorant of the literature on isolating mechanisms. I’m not sure why else you could write the post that you did. Certainly most people posting at UD don’t know much evolutionary biology. There is not shame in that, of course. It’s only holding very strong opinions on topics that you are ignorant about that I object to. :p  :p  :p Objection your honor! -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

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