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| Quote (Seversky @ Nov. 15 2015,09:24) | | Quote (k.e.. @ Nov. 14 2015,22:44) | | Quote (Glen Davidson @ Nov. 14 2015,19:21) | | Quote (k.e.. @ Nov. 14 2015,10:39) | | Quote (Glen Davidson @ Nov. 14 2015,16:07) | | Quote (Bob O'H @ Nov. 14 2015,06:17) | Another kairosfocus gem:
| Quote | | PS: Americans need to wake up to the global geostrategic responsibilities implicit in displacing the Royal Navy and British Empire as leading Oceanic power, in a 500 year old global age critically dependent on sea borne trade and ME oil. |
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If only British battleships had been allowed to fight Japanese aircraft carriers in WWII, think of how quickly that whole problem would have ended.
Who stopped them from doing so? Probably Darwinists.
Glen Davidson |
Well, actually it was the Japanese that put a very quick end to that type of naval engagement. On the 10th of December 1941 with the sinking of Prince of Wales and Repulse in the SCS. One British Lord Sempill had a hand in passing on British naval air power secrets to the Japanese for 20 years between WW1 and WW2 which wouldn'nt have helped. Then there's the Yamato. The Yamato museum in Kure has a haunting display of recovered Tantō. Gordon's anglophillia should stick to growing sugar and picking cotton. |
Sort of the point. I wrote as if the British totally lacked carriers, when they had a few, as in, it was carrier planes that crippled the Bismarck (which was then sunk by ships). But that was the Atlantic, and I don't think they had any carriers in the Pacific, and if they did they didn't help much, if at all.
Japanese carriers did follow the British plans, including having double or triple decks. Fortunately for the Japanese, they figured out how bad that was and turned their carriers into single deck ships before WWII. So how helpful passing secrets was to the Japanese is something of which I am not so sure.
Being low on carriers after Midway certainly hampered the Japanese, but really, they had impressive battleships that perhaps could have been used at night against US amphibious landings. I thought it was a given that battleships against carriers was absolutely a losing deal for battleships (due to range, but also because carriers moved faster, so battleships could never get close enough to hit) during the day, but no one was very good at using carriers at night then, so battleships might have had some chance at night, despite radar. It's bizarre how little the Japanese Navy fought outside of a few battles/campaigns, not sinking US supply ships with subs, and letting amphibious landings repeatedly occur without any trouble.
Yamato might have been useful, had it been used (not Leyte Gulf (war was already lost) nor the last pathetic attempt to count). But the Japanese seemed to be spooked by radar*, and how two of their battleships were sunk at Guadalcanal (one by using radar a great deal, the other not). So even though they sank two US carriers at Guadalcanal, damaging at least another, while the US only damaged one of theirs (that I recall) and sank none, they seemed to be quite bothered that the US sank two of their battleships, which clearly mattered less. Then they sat on their battleships, carriers, and their subs, waiting for the big battle (sure, there was Rabaul and a few other skirmishes--not much). When that came in the Philippine Sea, both their subs and battleships were pretty useless.
Glen Davidson
*They had radar at least by Midway, but lagged in the technology and use, while the US caught up quickly due to British help. |
I agree with your analysis Glen. Strangely the British carrier HMS Indomitable was supposed to be with Prince of Wales and Repulse ran aground in the Caribbean! Gordon's knowledge of naval history is as poor as his science. Kure is less than an hour by train from Hiroshima if you happen to be in the area. |
In point of fact, Repulse and Prince of Wales were sunk by land-based torpedo and medium-altitude bombers not carrier-based planes. They were also offered land-based fighter cover but, for some reason, the offer was never taken up and no attempt was made to co-ordinate air and sea operations. Either way, it helped to drive home how vulnerable to air power surface units were, even when able to maneuver at speed in open sea. |
Gordon's bleating doesn't take account of those facts. He lives by his magical reality where his crackpot imagination tells us what he thinks the world ought to be. If his God really existed Mr leathers wouldn't have let the Japanese sink those ships.
PS Next week Gordon laments the failure of the crusades.
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