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k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2018,06:31    Quote (Bob O'H @ Aug. 22 2018,14:07) Time to invest more in the popcorn industry: Claimed link between creationism and “conspiracism” Good rebuttal to kf. Right through his finalist ainimus. It's all conspiracy! -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2018,10:33    KF on FIASCO: Quote F/N: I dug up a briefing note I did nearly a decade ago, here. Let’s see if BO’H is now willing to correct his talking-point and to stay corrected on it. KF Response from idk: Quote re 12: Perhaps briefing notes should be, you know, brief. 🙂 Thanks for the chuckle. link

Jkrebs Posts: 590 Joined: Sep. 2004 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2018,22:51    kf has gone off the deep end. See here and following.

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2018,22:59    Quote (Jkrebs @ Aug. 22 2018,22:51) kf has gone off the deep end. See here and following. Gone off the deep end? The only shallow end that he has seen is the gene pool. The only one more stupid than him is that moronic ET who has his nose buried so far up KF’s butt that he smells fresh fruit.

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2018,00:39    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Aug. 22 2018,20:59) Quote (Jkrebs @ Aug. 22 2018,22:51) kf has gone off the deep end. See here and following. Gone off the deep end? The only shallow end that he has seen is the gene pool. The only one more stupid than him is that moronic ET who has his nose buried so far up KF’s butt that he smells fresh fruit. True, but I think he's found a deeper part of the deep end in recent months.  If creationism isn't allowed in science class, there'll be nuclear war.  And it'll all be jkrebs' fault. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2018,00:47    Quote (JohnW @ Aug. 23 2018,08:39)   Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Aug. 22 2018,20:59)   Quote (Jkrebs @ Aug. 22 2018,22:51) kf has gone off the deep end. See here and following. Gone off the deep end? The only shallow end that he has seen is the gene pool. The only one more stupid than him is that moronic ET who has his nose buried so far up KF’s butt that he smells fresh fruit. True, but I think he's found a deeper part of the deep end in recent months.  If creationism isn't allowed in science class, there'll be nuclear war.  And it'll all be jkrebs' fault. See it really is a conspiracy. Even Joe says so. Quote Jack, it is all true. Your version of science is total dogma, which is the antithesis of science from the paper Quote Collectively, these results identify teleological thinking as a new predictor of conspiracism, independent of agency perception, anthropomorphism, science rejection, analytical thinking and randomness perception. So for Joe his belief in an imaginary deity is all that's needed for it to be a conspiracy. Or is that just simple paranoia? I hope kf posts a map with arrows all over it again. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2018,02:54    In the paper that started this off, the authors state (I've removed the statistics): Quote We called the first factor ‘animism’, as it clusters measures involving attribution of consciousness and agency to nonliving entities. The second factor, ‘finalism’, tapped instead into the attribution of purpose and final causes to the universe and human life. ... Finalism was the main predictor for creationism, followed at a smaller degree by animism, whereas rejection of science and animism were the main predictors for conspiracism, jointly with finalism to a slightly lesser extent. So are the guys at UD indulging in (1) attribution of purpose and final causes to the universe, (2) attribution of consciousness and agency to nonliving entities, or (3) rejection of science? It seems mainly 1 and 3: I don't think there's a lot of animist thinking. -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2018,07:50    Quote (Bob O'H @ Aug. 23 2018,10:54) In the paper that started this off, the authors state (I've removed the statistics): Quote We called the first factor ‘animism’, as it clusters measures involving attribution of consciousness and agency to nonliving entities. The second factor, ‘finalism’, tapped instead into the attribution of purpose and final causes to the universe and human life. ... Finalism was the main predictor for creationism, followed at a smaller degree by animism, whereas rejection of science and animism were the main predictors for conspiracism, jointly with finalism to a slightly lesser extent. So are the guys at UD indulging in (1) attribution of purpose and final causes to the universe, (2) attribution of consciousness and agency to nonliving entities, or (3) rejection of science? It seems mainly 1 and 3: I don't think there's a lot of animist thinking. I think they could have been more specific on what they meant by non living. If you asked kf if god was non living he would open a blog post and shout for days. But if you asked if god was an actual live mamal resident on earth he would refer you to some reprint of second century Christian propaganda and that he has been wailing all his life for a repeat show. In either case the only difference is the difference in blood temperature between outer space and the surface of the earth. The blood of course would have to have a freezing point below absolute zero and a boiling point above 100 degrees Celsius. That rules out everything on the periodic table. So my take on it is that along with voodoo chicken sacrifices, doomsday maps and babbling in voices kf would be an animist. Proof would be if he believes in self levitation while performing an exorcism. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2018,19:09    Re "That rules out everything on the periodic table." All 118 of them?

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2018,00:54    Quote (Henry J @ Aug. 24 2018,03:09) Re "That rules out everything on the periodic table." All 118 of them? At a wild guess yes. But since we're talking about the possible existence of actual living breathing mythical deities and potential candidates for their blood what's the freezing point of Kryptonite? -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

sparc Posts: 2088 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2018,01:30    Quote (k.e.. @ Aug. 24 2018,00:54) Quote (Henry J @ Aug. 24 2018,03:09) Re "That rules out everything on the periodic table." All 118 of them? At a wild guess yes. But since we're talking about the possible existence of actual living breathing mythical deities and potential candidates for their blood what's the freezing point of Kryptonite? Forming a deity doesn't require boiling H2O and trigycerids at about 220°C? -------------- "[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God." - William Dembski -

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2018,05:37    Quote (sparc @ Aug. 24 2018,09:30) Quote (k.e.. @ Aug. 24 2018,00:54)   Quote (Henry J @ Aug. 24 2018,03:09) Re "That rules out everything on the periodic table." All 118 of them? At a wild guess yes. But since we're talking about the possible existence of actual living breathing mythical deities and potential candidates for their blood what's the freezing point of Kryptonite? Forming a deity doesn't require boiling H2O and trigycerids at about 220°C? Jesus, that's a tough one! I guess if HE'S travelling on an extended round trip of the universe at the speed of light before HIS eventual return maybe he stashed his blood before he left? In the old days they could have just used blood from all the Ox sacrifices. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2018,07:15    WOOOHOOOO!!!! THE MAP IS BACK!!!! -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

timothya Posts: 280 Joined: April 2013 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2018,07:44    Quote (Bob O'H @ Aug. 24 2018,07:15) WOOOHOOOO!!!! THE MAP IS BACK!!!! I want to know why we in Australia and our vowelly-challenged cousins across the Tasman Sea in Nw Zlund don't rate a choke point, or at least a red or yellow arrow. We have Bass Strait! We have Cunningham's Gap! We have the little-known but appalling Bungle-Bungles, drop-bears and hoop snakes! Almost every native organism in these parts seeks to kill you, except possibly the kiwi. We have the Big Banana, the Big Pineapple and the Big Lawn Mower! We have The Rotorua hot pools and the world's only known wooden Parliament House! And most of all, we have Tony Abbott, Footrot Flats and the Bledisloe Cup! How much choking can two countries endure before the Sage of Monsarrat grants us at least a red dot. Inquiring minds in the Antipodes wish to know. -------------- "In its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal loaves of bread." Anatole France

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2018,08:34    Quote (timothya @ Aug. 24 2018,15:44) Quote (Bob O'H @ Aug. 24 2018,07:15) WOOOHOOOO!!!! THE MAP IS BACK!!!! I want to know why we in Australia and our vowelly-challenged cousins across the Tasman Sea in Nw Zlund don't rate a choke point, or at least a red or yellow arrow. We have Bass Strait! We have Cunningham's Gap! We have the little-known but appalling Bungle-Bungles, drop-bears and hoop snakes! Almost every native organism in these parts seeks to kill you, except possibly the kiwi. We have the Big Banana, the Big Pineapple and the Big Lawn Mower! We have The Rotorua hot pools and the world's only known wooden Parliament House! And most of all, we have Tony Abbott, Footrot Flats and the Bledisloe Cup! How much choking can two countries endure before the Sage of Monsarrat grants us at least a red dot. Inquiring minds in the Antipodes wish to know. I told you it was a conspiracy!!!!!!!!!! -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2018,09:07    Quote (timothya @ Aug. 24 2018,07:44) Quote (Bob O'H @ Aug. 24 2018,07:15) WOOOHOOOO!!!! THE MAP IS BACK!!!! I want to know why we in Australia and our vowelly-challenged cousins across the Tasman Sea in Nw Zlund don't rate a choke point, or at least a red or yellow arrow. We have Bass Strait! We have Cunningham's Gap! We have the little-known but appalling Bungle-Bungles, drop-bears and hoop snakes! Almost every native organism in these parts seeks to kill you, except possibly the kiwi. We have the Big Banana, the Big Pineapple and the Big Lawn Mower! We have The Rotorua hot pools and the world's only known wooden Parliament House! And most of all, we have Tony Abbott, Footrot Flats and the Bledisloe Cup! How much choking can two countries endure before the Sage of Monsarrat grants us at least a red dot. Inquiring minds in the Antipodes wish to know. Don’t feel bad. All Canada gets is a big yellow text box.

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2018,09:12    Is this a new one?

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2018,11:22    Quote (sparc @ Aug. 23 2018,23:30) Quote (k.e.. @ Aug. 24 2018,00:54)   Quote (Henry J @ Aug. 24 2018,03:09) Re "That rules out everything on the periodic table." All 118 of them? At a wild guess yes. But since we're talking about the possible existence of actual living breathing mythical deities and potential candidates for their blood what's the freezing point of Kryptonite? Forming a deity doesn't require boiling H2O and trigycerids at about 220°C? No you're thinking of caramel. -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2018,11:27    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Aug. 24 2018,07:12) Is this a new one? Mary Baker Eddy and Ezekiel acid-laced poetry slam. -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

Texas Teach Posts: 2084 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2018,22:24    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Aug. 24 2018,09:12) Is this a new one? I can't decide whether the shapes or the words are more incomprehensible. -------------- "Creationists think everything Genesis says is true. I don't even think Phil Collins is a good drummer." --J. Carr "I suspect that the English grammar books where you live are outdated" --G. Gaulin

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 25 2018,10:46    Quote Revealing in-thread exchanges on the imposition of evo mat scientism/ naturalism (and on the tactics to deflect attention from that) August 25, 2018 Posted by kairosfocus under agit-prop, opinion manipulation and well-poisoning games, Darwinist rhetorical tactics, Food for thought, Logic and First Principles of right reason, Media Manipulation, Agit-Prop &/or Lawfare, Naturalism, popular science and science education, Science, worldview issues/foundations and society, Selective Hyperskepticism What a stupid lunatic.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 25 2018,10:48    Quote 5 jdk August 25, 2018 at 7:23 am $^&$*&^% you, kf. There is nothing respectful about making no effort to honestly represent someone else’s understandings or position. linky

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 25 2018,12:12    Kf's map needs more dragons. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 25 2018,12:15    Quote (stevestory @ Aug. 25 2018,18:46) Quote Revealing in-thread exchanges on the imposition of evo mat scientism/ naturalism (and on the tactics to deflect attention from that) August 25, 2018 Posted by kairosfocus under agit-prop, opinion manipulation and well-poisoning games, Darwinist rhetorical tactics, Food for thought, Logic and First Principles of right reason, Media Manipulation, Agit-Prop &/or Lawfare, Naturalism, popular science and science education, Science, worldview issues/foundations and society, Selective Hyperskepticism What a stupid lunatic.  :p BINGO! Nuclear tripwire. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 25 2018,15:20    Wait, they need dragons, and it has something to do with Thread? Where are they, Pern?

Lethean Posts: 292 Joined: Jan. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 25 2018,16:23    Quote (k.e.. @ Aug. 25 2018,12:12) Kf's map needs more dragons. He needs to change up those bad words about Russia too. Apparently they are now our best friends or something. Bryan Fischer says Putin is "a Lion of Christianity, the defender of Christian Values" 'cause they hate teh gay. Also, ... -------------- "So I'm a pretty unusual guy and it's not stupidity that has gotten me where I am. It's brilliance." "My brain is one of the very few independent thinking brains that you've ever met. And that's a thing of wonder to you and since you don't understand it you criticize it." ~Dave Hawkins~

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 25 2018,19:08    Quote (Lethean @ Aug. 26 2018,00:23) Quote (k.e.. @ Aug. 25 2018,12:12) Kf's map needs more dragons. He needs to change up those bad words about Russia too. Apparently they are now our best friends or something. Bryan Fischer says Putin is "a Lion of Christianity, the defender of Christian Values" 'cause they hate teh gay. Also, ... Gee kf and  et in 5he same room having a gay old time. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 25 2018,23:31    Quote (Lethean @ Aug. 25 2018,14:23) Quote (k.e.. @ Aug. 25 2018,12:12) Kf's map needs more dragons. He needs to change up those bad words about Russia too. Apparently they are now our best friends or something. Bryan Fischer says Putin is "a Lion of Christianity, the defender of Christian Values" 'cause they hate teh gay. Also, ... They may soon get their wish. -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 29 2018,03:52    Barry's back!!!! And the ban-hammer is getting warmed up too -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

Ptaylor Posts: 1180 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 29 2018,18:44    Quote (Bob O'H @ Aug. 29 2018,20:52) Barry's back!!!! And the ban-hammer is getting warmed up too Heh, the first few words of a comment from BS77 on that thread...         Quote 51 bornagain77    August 29, 2018 at 3:27 am Since UD tries to focus on science from time to time, let’s look at what type of scientific evidence supports the Christian’s claim that morality is objectively real. <Two and a half thousand words plus the usual links over two comments follow > ...speak volumes, as I think the phrase goes. UD link, my bolding. eta - must get grammar just right. Edited by Ptaylor on Aug. 30 2018,12:22 -------------- We no longer say: “Another day; another bad day for Darwinism.” We now say: “Another day since the time Darwinism was disproved.” -PaV, Uncommon Descent, 19 June 2016

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