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The whole truth



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 18 2015,07:06   

In case anyone is interested I just tried to open that thread again with a proxy server. It didn't work and the proxy server page said:

The requested resource could not be loaded. libcurl returned the error:
Operation timed out after 15108 milliseconds with 791199 bytes received


ETA: I just got the UD home page to open with the same proxy server. It didn't work on several other tries.

Edited by The whole truth on Dec. 18 2015,05:10

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 18 2015,15:31   

You know, this sudden difficulty connecting to UD could be positive proof that God exists and that He loves you and wants to protect you.  

From His followers.

Edited by stevestory on Dec. 18 2015,21:06

  
The whole truth



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 18 2015,16:13   

Quote (CeilingCat @ Dec. 18 2015,13:31)
You know, this sudden difficulty connecting to UD could be positive proof that God exists and that He loves you and wants to protect you.  

From His followers.

Yeah. :)



Edited by stevestory on Dec. 18 2015,21:04

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Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34

But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 18 2015,16:19   

Quote (CeilingCat @ Dec. 18 2015,15:31)
You know, this sudden difficulty connecting to UD could be positive proof that God exists and that He loves you and wants to protect you.  

From His followers.

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by Barry Arrington.



Edited by stevestory on Dec. 18 2015,21:05

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 19 2015,00:06   

Quote (KevinB @ Dec. 18 2015,16:19)
 
Quote (CeilingCat @ Dec. 18 2015,15:31)
You know, this sudden difficulty connecting to UD could be positive proof that God exists and that He loves you and wants to protect you.  

From His followers.

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by Barry Arrington.


LOL

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 19 2015,09:45   

Three posts "of the week" in less than an hour?  :p

  
CeilingCat



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 19 2015,09:55   

Steve got that bottle of Christmas Cheer we sent him.



Edited by Lou FCD on Dec. 19 2015,15:09

  
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 19 2015,10:52   

Oh, so "post of the week" is in the eye of the beer holder?



Edited by Lou FCD on Dec. 19 2015,15:10

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 19 2015,11:43   

Quote (Henry J @ Dec. 19 2015,10:52)
Oh, so "post of the week" is in the eye of the beer holder?

That was one of your best !

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2015,05:39   

kf claims:

     
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CY, I see where as part of a warning about a jihadi blitz coming, “Hans-Georg Maasen, a federal police chief, [says] that nearly 8,000 ISIS fighters have infiltrated Germany through its refugee program.” That’s a light division strength infiltration under cover of a refugee programme. If it is halftrue, that is serious. KF

I couldn't find any sources where Hans-Georg Maasen claimed such a thing. I think he might be refering to the daily mail article. However daily mail is not talking about 8000 ISIS fighters entering Germnay, but 8000 radical islamists ("Salafisten") living in Germany (which is true). There's nothing illegal about joining the "Salafisten".

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2015,13:30   

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George EdwardsDecember 20, 2015 at 11:07 am
JJ: “What scientific test was done on the claim that claims have to be published to have any validity and which journal was this published in?”

There is plenty of bad science published in peer reviewed journals. It is far from a perfect system. But at least it is a system. And if FSCO/I has as much evidence supporting it as KF is claiming, and if it is testable, why can the number of peer reviewed papers demonstrating its applicability in biology be counted on the fingers of one hand of an amputee? KF claims that this is due to censorship but he has never once submitted it for peer review. That speaks volumes. That would be like claiming that I was never elected mayor in my city because of racism, when I have never run for mayor. Both are empty claims.


linky

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2015,13:37   

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Mung

December 19, 2015 at 2:33 pm

Evidence of life on other planets would be the most amazing scientific discovery of all time, IMO.

What would make such a discovery “scientific”?
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daveS

December 19, 2015 at 3:28 pm

Mung,

What would make such a discovery “scientific”?

I don’t know, maybe it wouldn’t be a scientific discovery. It would be quite a big deal, though.
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Alicia Cartelli

December 19, 2015 at 3:44 pm

“What would make such a discovery ‘scientific’?”

Quite possibly the dumbest question I’ve ever heard.
Congrats Mungy.


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Edited by stevestory on Dec. 20 2015,14:37

   
Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2015,13:48   

Quote (Nils Ruhr @ Dec. 20 2015,05:39)
[URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/off-topic/developing-news-san-bernardino-incident-may-be-lone-wolf-independent-razzia-assassin-cult-

islamist-terrorism/#comment-593156]kf claims[/URL]:

     
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CY, I see where as part of a warning about a jihadi blitz coming, “Hans-Georg Maasen, a federal police chief, [says] that nearly 8,000 ISIS fighters have infiltrated Germany through its refugee program.” That’s a light division strength infiltration under cover of a refugee programme. If it is halftrue, that is serious. KF

I couldn't find any sources where Hans-Georg Maasen claimed such a thing. I think he might be refering to the [URL=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3335489/ISIS-radicals-planning-terror-attacks-Europe-entering-continent-hidden-migrants-says-Germa

n-police-chief.html]daily mail article[/URL]. However daily mail is not talking about 8000 ISIS fighters entering Germnay, but 8000 radical islamists ("Salafisten") living in Germany (which is true). There's nothing illegal about joining the "Salafisten".

Apparently GE saw the same article.
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KF: ““Hans-Georg Maasen, a federal police chief, [says] that nearly 8,000 ISIS fighters have infiltrated Germany through its refugee program.” That’s a light division strength infiltration under cover of a refugee programme. If it is halftrue, that is serious. KF”

Not even half true. In fact, only 1/1000 true. And for all of Europe, not just Germany. European authorities have identified eight assylum seekers trying to enter Europe on forged passports similar to the one found on one of the dead Paris attackers. Eight in all of Europe is a far cry from 8000 in Germany alone.

What the chief said was that they were aware of 8000 radical Islamists currently living in Germany. He didn’t say when they entered, where they came from, if they entered as refugees, if they entered through normal immigration channels, or if they were born in Germany. And he certainly didnt say that they were ISIS fighters. That is a far cry from saying that 8000 ISIS fighters have entered Germany through the refugee system.

It is the dissemination of misquoted and irresponsible statements like the one posted by KF, without any attempt to check the facts, that spreads unnecessary fear and spawns hatred. And, even worse, it slows down or stops the provision of necessary support for thousands of innocent people who are suffering. Some might argue that KF posting this false statement is enabling the suffering of thousands of suffering people. Not intentionally, but through a lack of duty of care to the truth.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 21 2015,11:47   

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GE, you already have a source and you have far more than enough to make it clear that the major militant problem in Europe today is ISIS connected. (It is amazing that this direct implication given context seems to have been made into a pretext for a false accusation of lying; that speaks volumes — again.) It seems this thread has now outlived reasonableness. KF[Thread Closed]


Well, that's one way to be sure to get the last word.

[URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/off-topic/developing-news-san-bernardino-incident-may-be-lone-wolf-independent-razzia-assassin-cult-

islamist-terrorism/#comment-593258]Comment 520[/URL]

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 21 2015,20:03   

has UD just become "Insanity from Montserrat? "

Meh, I can't begrudge them much. They thought they had Science for Teh Futare!" and they get a few homophobic idiots from Colorado and the wastelands, and that's the thin gruel they pretend is nourishing.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 21 2015,20:26   

[Thread Closed]  In English, that means even KairosFocus realizes he's made a fool of himself.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 21 2015,21:28   

Quote (CeilingCat @ Dec. 21 2015,20:26)
[Thread Closed]  In English, that means even KairosFocus realizes he's made a fool of himself.

Hmmm, claiming that 8000 ISIS soldiers entered Germany as refugees versus the reality of eight entering all of Europe. What does he have to be embarrassed about? But I am sure that he can save face by banning GE and DaveS. But, I am sure that he is not immature enough to fall back on that bullshit.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 22 2015,00:31   

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I am new to this subject. Could you please point me to some ID research?


OK. Who is trying to get their sock accepted at UD?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 22 2015,00:55   

Joe G, sorry Virgil Cain, writing on behalf of the ID community:
 
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BTW I would not only pass an introductory course in biology I would show the professor how ignorant we really are when it comes to evolution.

Couldn't agree more.
UD link

Edited by Ptaylor on Dec. 22 2015,18:15

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 22 2015,07:56   

Quote (Ptaylor @ Dec. 22 2015,00:55)
Joe G, sorry Virgil Cain, writing on behalf of the ID community:
   
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BTW I would not only pass an introductory course in biology I would show the professor how ignorant we really are when it comes to evolution.

Couldn't agree more.
UD link

He appears to have lapsed into the "royal we" half way through the sentence.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 22 2015,08:55   

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December 21, 2015 at 7:15 pm

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Keep in mind that it isn’t necessary to believe in God to pass a course in theology.

Impossible

to

keep

in

mind.

Can’t even be conceived.
linky

Edited by stevestory on Dec. 22 2015,09:56

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 22 2015,10:30   

Quote (KevinB @ Dec. 22 2015,05:56)
Quote (Ptaylor @ Dec. 22 2015,00:55)
Joe G, sorry Virgil Cain, writing on behalf of the ID community:
   
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BTW I would not only pass an introductory course in biology I would show the professor how ignorant we really are when it comes to evolution.

Couldn't agree more.
UD link

He appears to have lapsed into the "royal we" half way through the sentence.

Pass as in "walk by without stopping", or pass as in "kidney stone"?

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 22 2015,10:49   

Good old scientist Mung the ID Defender trotting out the 2LoT argument

 
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Alicia Cartelli: If you want to boil it down, life is something that is able to counteract entropy.


Mung:   Nothing counteracts entropy.


Well, except for things like endothermic reactions.  There's nothing in 2LoT that prevents local decreases in entropy as long as the overall system entropy increases.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 22 2015,12:04   

Quote (JohnW @ Dec. 22 2015,10:30)
 
Quote (KevinB @ Dec. 22 2015,05:56)
 
Quote (Ptaylor @ Dec. 22 2015,00:55)
Joe G, sorry Virgil Cain, writing on behalf of the ID community:
       
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BTW I would not only pass an introductory course in biology I would show the professor how ignorant we really are when it comes to evolution.

Couldn't agree more.
UD link

He appears to have lapsed into the "royal we" half way through the sentence.

Pass as in "walk by without stopping", or pass as in "kidney stone"?

He obviously has a weak hand.

I'll go for the Gallifreyan counter-bid:  Two Hearts

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 22 2015,12:42   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 22 2015,10:49)
Good old scientist Mung the ID Defender trotting out the 2LoT argument

 
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Alicia Cartelli: If you want to boil it down, life is something that is able to counteract entropy.


Mung:   Nothing counteracts entropy.


Well, except for things like endothermic reactions.  There's nothing in 2LoT that prevents local decreases in entropy as long as the overall system entropy increases.

The informal and wrong definition of entropy being a universal tendency toward disorder.

Life opposes that.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 22 2015,13:55   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Dec. 21 2015,22:28)
Quote (CeilingCat @ Dec. 21 2015,20:26)
[Thread Closed]  In English, that means even KairosFocus realizes he's made a fool of himself.

Hmmm, claiming that 8000 ISIS soldiers entered Germany as refugees versus the reality of eight entering all of Europe. What does he have to be embarrassed about? But I am sure that he can save face by banning GE and DaveS. But, I am sure that he is not immature enough to fall back on that bullshit.

Heck, that's way less wrong than claiming the Earth is only 6000 years old.  How many microdembskis is it?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 22 2015,22:26   

Banny Arrogant.
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Attributing false quotes to me gets you a first class one way ticket out of here. Bye bye.


Good bye Tiger131. You lasted longer than many of us.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 22 2015,23:32   

Tiger131 wasn't a World of Tanks player by any chance, was he?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2015,02:29   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Dec. 22 2015,22:26)
Banny Arrogant.
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Attributing false quotes to me gets you a first class one way ticket out of here. Bye bye.


Good bye Tiger131. You lasted longer than many of us.

This is the full text of what Barry wrote:
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Tiger131 quotes me as saying:

“the existence of design as a category of causation is no obstacle to accepting the truth of monist physicalism.”

I actually said:

“If such a natural telic force exists, the existence of design as a category of causation is no obstacle to accepting the truth of monist physicalism.”

Attributing false quotes to me gets you a first class one way ticket out of here. Bye bye.

If you're going to accuse someone of lying, it's usually not a good idea to admit that they told the truth (albeit an incomplete one) at the same time.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 23 2015,09:39   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Dec. 23 2015,02:29)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Dec. 22 2015,22:26)
Banny Arrogant.
 
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Attributing false quotes to me gets you a first class one way ticket out of here. Bye bye.


Good bye Tiger131. You lasted longer than many of us.

This is the full text of what Barry wrote:
 
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Tiger131 quotes me as saying:

“the existence of design as a category of causation is no obstacle to accepting the truth of monist physicalism.”

I actually said:

“If such a natural telic force exists, the existence of design as a category of causation is no obstacle to accepting the truth of monist physicalism.”

Attributing false quotes to me gets you a first class one way ticket out of here. Bye bye.

If you're going to accuse someone of lying, it's usually not a good idea to admit that they told the truth (albeit an incomplete one) at the same time.

Tiger131 even provided a link to the source so that the quote could be seen in context. He might have used ellipses, but blogs are rather informal venues. Barry Arrington could have simply reiterated his qualification for clarity.

Furthermore, the quote accurately depicts Barry Arrington's view. Per Barry Arrington “the existence of design as a category of causation is no obstacle to accepting the truth of monist physicalism" though that acceptance entails that one also accepts the possibility of "a natural telic force".

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