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Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2018,09:12    Look, timmy tutu, it is obvious that you are just a belligerent troll who couldn't make its case if your life depended on it. The goalposts are where they have been since 1996 and even before. That evoTARDs can't reach them is your problem and not ID's. Irreducible complexity is just a fancy phrase I use to mean a single system which is composed of several interacting parts, and where the removal of any one of the parts causes the system to cease functioning. Behe, 1996 SEVERAL INTERACTING PARTS Even the mousetrap had FIVE interacting parts. Not only that but no one demonstrated that blind and mindless processes produced the gene in question. The authors engineered the gene and then engineered the changes. Natural selection had nothing to do with it and it is still only ONE part, anyway. So what we have here is a willfully ignorant and belligerent evoTARD being willfully ignorant and belligerent -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2018,09:19    Quote (fnxtr @ Sep. 12 2018,17:05) Quote (k.e.. @ Sep. 12 2018,06:31) Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 12 2018,07:35)   Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 11 2018,23:29)       Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 11 2018,23:23)       Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 11 2018,23:21) There you have it- to falsify Intelligent Design all one has to do is demonstrate that natural selection can produce irreducibly complex biological systems. Already been done I'm a liar. Only an ignorant asshole would deny ID hasn been falsified by my own criteria We know Joke.   You're a scientifically illiterate compulsive liar and the dumbest YEC on the planet.   That's why you're so entertaining.   :) Joe's a perfect example of the  Dunning Krueger effect. Joe is the McArthur Wheeler of creationists. Remember: the first rule of Dunning-Kruger Club is, you don't know you're in Dunning-Kruger Club. Joe got free membership when he hit peak stupid after 600 pages of TARDGASM......600! -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2018,09:24    Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 12 2018,09:11)     Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 12 2018,08:31) I see Joke is still vomiting up Behe's lame lies. Thorton's work was published in Science, one of the top scientific journals on the planet.  Tell us Joke, in which scientific journal was Behe's "refutation" published?   Wow, Joke Gallien is a desperate asshole lying punk who is still too chickenshit to make its case. Thornton's work was published in Science but Behe couldn't publish any refutation. Clearly Joke is a pathetic shit eater Gee, Joke ran his mouth and ran from the question.  Who didn't see that coming?   -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2018,09:58    Quote (k.e.. @ Sep. 12 2018,09:19) Quote (fnxtr @ Sep. 12 2018,17:05) Quote (k.e.. @ Sep. 12 2018,06:31)   Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 12 2018,07:35)   Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 11 2018,23:29)       Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 11 2018,23:23)         Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 11 2018,23:21) There you have it- to falsify Intelligent Design all one has to do is demonstrate that natural selection can produce irreducibly complex biological systems. Already been done I'm a liar. Only an ignorant asshole would deny ID hasn been falsified by my own criteria We know Joke.   You're a scientifically illiterate compulsive liar and the dumbest YEC on the planet.   That's why you're so entertaining.   :) Joe's a perfect example of the  Dunning Krueger effect. Joe is the McArthur Wheeler of creationists. Remember: the first rule of Dunning-Kruger Club is, you don't know you're in Dunning-Kruger Club. Joe got free membership when he hit peak stupid after 600 pages of TARDGASM......600! The evidence says the TARDgasms are all yours -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2018,09:59    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 12 2018,09:24) I am an ignorant asshole who couldn't support anything ut my diaper full of shit Look, timmy tutu, it is obvious that you are just a belligerent troll who couldn't make its case if your life depended on it. The goalposts are where they have been since 1996 and even before. That evoTARDs can't reach them is your problem and not ID's. Quote Irreducible complexity is just a fancy phrase I use to mean a single system which is composed of several interacting parts, and where the removal of any one of the parts causes the system to cease functioning. Behe, 1996 SEVERAL INTERACTING PARTS Even the mousetrap had FIVE interacting parts. Not only that but no one demonstrated that blind and mindless processes produced the gene in question. The authors engineered the gene and then engineered the changes. Natural selection had nothing to do with it and it is still only ONE part, anyway. So what we have here is a willfully ignorant and belligerent evoTARD being willfully ignorant and belligerent -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2018,10:00    Reality and the facts say it wasn't an IC system The study by Bridgham et al (2006) published in the April 7 issue of Science is the lamest attempt yet — and perhaps the lamest attempt that’s even possible — to deflect the problem that irreducible complexity poses for Darwinism. Lamest attempt ever! timmy tutu Horton has a severe aversion to facts and reality. timmy definitely cannot make a case there was an IC system involved -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2018,10:08    Strange and very telling that the words "irreducible complexity" don't appear anywhere in the actual published paper “Evolution of Hormone-Receptor Complexity by Molecular Exploitation” -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2018,10:19    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 12 2018,08:31) Thorton's work was published in Science, one of the top scientific journals on the planet.   And the paper did not say anything about irreducible complexity. Those words don't appear in the published paper. And the paper did not demonstrate that blind and mindless processes could produce the gene being investigated. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2018,11:10    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 12 2018,17:24) Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 12 2018,09:11)     Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 12 2018,08:31) I see Joke is still vomiting up Behe's lame lies. Thorton's work was published in Science, one of the top scientific journals on the planet.  Tell us Joke, in which scientific journal was Behe's "refutation" published?   Wow, Joke Gallien is a desperate asshole lying punk who is still too chickenshit to make its case. Thornton's work was published in Science but Behe couldn't publish any refutation. Clearly Joke is a pathetic shit eater Gee, Joke ran his mouth and ran from the question.  Who didn't see that coming?   :) He thinks the Lemon test involves putting lemons down his pants. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2018,11:17    Quote (k.e.. @ Sep. 12 2018,11:10) He thinks the Lemon test involves putting lemons down his pants. As opposed to ke who thinks the Lemon test involves shoving lemons up is asshole into his rectum -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2018,11:31    Quote (k.e.. @ Sep. 12 2018,11:10)   Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 12 2018,17:24)   Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 12 2018,09:11)         Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 12 2018,08:31) I see Joke is still vomiting up Behe's lame lies. Thorton's work was published in Science, one of the top scientific journals on the planet.  Tell us Joke, in which scientific journal was Behe's "refutation" published?   Wow, Joke Gallien is a desperate asshole lying punk who is still too chickenshit to make its case. Thornton's work was published in Science but Behe couldn't publish any refutation. Clearly Joke is a pathetic shit eater Gee, Joke ran his mouth and ran from the question.  Who didn't see that coming?   He thinks the Lemon test involves putting lemons down his pants. Now you triggered another episode of Joke's uncontrollable Tourette's.   -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2018,11:37    Strange and very telling that the words "irreducible complexity" don't appear anywhere in the actual published paper “Evolution of Hormone-Receptor Complexity by Molecular Exploitation” So there was nothing in the paper for Dr Behe to refute. Dr Behe refuted the unscientific claims that came after -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2018,11:38    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 12 2018,08:31) Thorton's work was published in Science, one of the top scientific journals on the planet.   And the paper did not say anything about irreducible complexity. Those words don't appear in the published paper. And the paper did not demonstrate that blind and mindless processes could produce the gene being investigated. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2018,11:41    Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 12 2018,10:19)     Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 12 2018,08:31) Thorton's work was published in Science, one of the top scientific journals on the planet.   And the paper did not say anything about irreducible complexity. Those words don't appear in the published paper. And the paper did not demonstrate that blind and mindless processes could produce the gene being investigated. Joke keeps repeating Behe's lies while running from the evidence.   The conclusion of the paper:     Quote The puzzle that complex systems pose for Darwinian evolution depends on the premise that each part has no function—and therefore cannot be selected for—until the entire system is present.  This puzzle might indeed cause Darwin's theory to Bbreak down[ if the functions of the parts must remain static for all time. But virtually all molecules can and do participate in more than one process or interaction, so a complex's elements may have been selected in the past for unrelated functions. Our work indicates that tightly integrated systems can be assembled by combining old molecules with different ancestral roles together with new ones—generated by gene duplication or elaboration of enzymatic pathways— that represent slight structural variants on older elements.We propose thatmolecular exploitation will be a predominant theme in evolution, one that may provide a general explanation for how the molecular interactions critical for life's complexity emerged in Darwinian fashion. Pity Behe the clown never published his "refutation" anywhere except Creationist websites.  Joke's still too stupid to understand unsupported Creationist claims aren't science.   -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2018,11:48    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 12 2018,11:41) Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 12 2018,10:19)     Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 12 2018,08:31) Thorton's work was published in Science, one of the top scientific journals on the planet.   And the paper did not say anything about irreducible complexity. Those words don't appear in the published paper. And the paper did not demonstrate that blind and mindless processes could produce the gene being investigated. Joke keeps repeating Behe's lies while running from the evidence.   The conclusion of the paper:     Quote The puzzle that complex systems pose for Darwinian evolution depends on the premise that each part has no function—and therefore cannot be selected for—until the entire system is present.  This puzzle might indeed cause Darwin's theory to Bbreak down[ if the functions of the parts must remain static for all time. But virtually all molecules can and do participate in more than one process or interaction, so a complex's elements may have been selected in the past for unrelated functions. Our work indicates that tightly integrated systems can be assembled by combining old molecules with different ancestral roles together with new ones—generated by gene duplication or elaboration of enzymatic pathways— that represent slight structural variants on older elements.We propose thatmolecular exploitation will be a predominant theme in evolution, one that may provide a general explanation for how the molecular interactions critical for life's complexity emerged in Darwinian fashion. Nothing about irreducible complexity. Gene duplications followed by function altering mutations are beyond the capability of blind and mindless processes as demonstrated by the peer-reviewed paper "waiting for two mutations" -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2018,11:49    Quote The puzzle that complex systems pose for Darwinian evolution depends on the premise that each part has no function Bullshit- no supporting evidence for that nonsensical claim was ever produced -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2018,11:50    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Sep. 12 2018,11:49) Batshitcrazy77 Quote My sentiments exactly. If he persists in this behavior, I will request that he be banned (once again) from UD for trolling. This never gets old. And evoTARD lies and nonsense never get old, either. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2018,11:52    Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 12 2018,11:48) Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 12 2018,11:41)   Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 12 2018,10:19)       Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 12 2018,08:31) Thorton's work was published in Science, one of the top scientific journals on the planet.   And the paper did not say anything about irreducible complexity. Those words don't appear in the published paper. And the paper did not demonstrate that blind and mindless processes could produce the gene being investigated. Joke keeps repeating Behe's lies while running from the evidence.   The conclusion of the paper:       Quote The puzzle that complex systems pose for Darwinian evolution depends on the premise that each part has no function—and therefore cannot be selected for—until the entire system is present.  This puzzle might indeed cause Darwin's theory to Bbreak down[ if the functions of the parts must remain static for all time. But virtually all molecules can and do participate in more than one process or interaction, so a complex's elements may have been selected in the past for unrelated functions. Our work indicates that tightly integrated systems can be assembled by combining old molecules with different ancestral roles together with new ones—generated by gene duplication or elaboration of enzymatic pathways— that represent slight structural variants on older elements.We propose thatmolecular exploitation will be a predominant theme in evolution, one that may provide a general explanation for how the molecular interactions critical for life's complexity emerged in Darwinian fashion. Nothing about irreducible complexity. Gene duplications followed by function altering mutations are beyond the capability of blind and mindless processes as demonstrated by the peer-reviewed paper "waiting for two mutations" Poor Joke.  Stuck his foot in his mouth again and agreed that ID has been falsified. The simple fact is IC systems have been empirically demonstrated to evolve through indirect pathways.   Even Behe recognizes this which is why he dropped IC as one of his ID-Creation arguments.  Of course Joke being the intellectual midget he is was too stupid to get the word.   -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2018,11:53    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 12 2018,11:52) Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 12 2018,11:48)   Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 12 2018,11:41)   Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 12 2018,10:19)         Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 12 2018,08:31) Thorton's work was published in Science, one of the top scientific journals on the planet.   And the paper did not say anything about irreducible complexity. Those words don't appear in the published paper. And the paper did not demonstrate that blind and mindless processes could produce the gene being investigated. Joke keeps repeating Behe's lies while running from the evidence.   The conclusion of the paper:         Quote The puzzle that complex systems pose for Darwinian evolution depends on the premise that each part has no function—and therefore cannot be selected for—until the entire system is present.  This puzzle might indeed cause Darwin's theory to Bbreak down[ if the functions of the parts must remain static for all time. But virtually all molecules can and do participate in more than one process or interaction, so a complex's elements may have been selected in the past for unrelated functions. Our work indicates that tightly integrated systems can be assembled by combining old molecules with different ancestral roles together with new ones—generated by gene duplication or elaboration of enzymatic pathways— that represent slight structural variants on older elements.We propose thatmolecular exploitation will be a predominant theme in evolution, one that may provide a general explanation for how the molecular interactions critical for life's complexity emerged in Darwinian fashion. Nothing about irreducible complexity. Gene duplications followed by function altering mutations are beyond the capability of blind and mindless processes as demonstrated by the peer-reviewed paper "waiting for two mutations" The simple fact is IC systems have been empirically demonstrated to evolve through indirect pathways.   Liar- the simple fact is you are a pathetic shit-eating loser who couldn't support its claims if your life depended on it -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2018,11:54    Irreducible Complexity: Quote IC- A system performing a given basic function is irreducibly complex if it includes a set of well-matched, mutually interacting, non-arbitrarily individuated parts such that each part in the set is indispensable to maintaining the system’s basic, and therefore original, function. The set of these indispensable parts is known as the irreducible core of the system. Page 285 No Free Lunch Numerous and Diverse Parts If the irreducible core of an IC system consists of one or only a few parts, there may be no insuperable obstacle to the Darwinian mechanism explaining how that system arose in one fell swoop. But as the number of indispensable well-fitted, mutually interacting,, non-arbitrarily individuated parts increases in number & diversity, there is no possibility of the Darwinian mechanism achieving that system in one fell swoop. Page 287 Minimal Complexity and Function Given an IC system with numerous & diverse parts in its core, the Darwinian mechanism must produce it gradually. But if the system needs to operate at a certain minimal level of function before it can be of any use to the organism & if to achieve that level of function it requires a certain minimal level of complexity already possessed by the irreducible core, the Darwinian mechanism has no functional intermediates to exploit. Page 287 -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2018,11:55    The study by Bridgham et al (2006) published in the April 7 issue of Science is the lamest attempt yet — and perhaps the lamest attempt that’s even possible — to deflect the problem that irreducible complexity poses for Darwinism. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2018,11:58    Evos have no idea how to test the claim that ATP synthase evolved by means of natural selection, drift or any other blind and mindless process The same goes for the gene investigated by Thornton et al. Evos have no clue how to test the claim it evolved by means of blind and mindless processes -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2018,11:58    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 12 2018,11:52)   Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 12 2018,11:48)     Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 12 2018,11:41)     Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 12 2018,10:19)           Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 12 2018,08:31) Thorton's work was published in Science, one of the top scientific journals on the planet.   And the paper did not say anything about irreducible complexity. Those words don't appear in the published paper. And the paper did not demonstrate that blind and mindless processes could produce the gene being investigated. Joke keeps repeating Behe's lies while running from the evidence.   The conclusion of the paper:           Quote The puzzle that complex systems pose for Darwinian evolution depends on the premise that each part has no function—and therefore cannot be selected for—until the entire system is present.  This puzzle might indeed cause Darwin's theory to Bbreak down[ if the functions of the parts must remain static for all time. But virtually all molecules can and do participate in more than one process or interaction, so a complex's elements may have been selected in the past for unrelated functions. Our work indicates that tightly integrated systems can be assembled by combining old molecules with different ancestral roles together with new ones—generated by gene duplication or elaboration of enzymatic pathways— that represent slight structural variants on older elements.We propose thatmolecular exploitation will be a predominant theme in evolution, one that may provide a general explanation for how the molecular interactions critical for life's complexity emerged in Darwinian fashion. Nothing about irreducible complexity. Gene duplications followed by function altering mutations are beyond the capability of blind and mindless processes as demonstrated by the peer-reviewed paper "waiting for two mutations" Poor Joke.  Stuck his foot in his mouth again and agreed that ID has been falsified. The simple fact is IC systems have been empirically demonstrated to evolve through indirect pathways.   Even Behe recognizes this which is why he dropped IC as one of his ID-Creation arguments.  Of course Joke being the intellectual midget he is was too stupid to get the word.   Chubby Joke will now scream and holler and fling his own poo for two days to cover his incredible stupidity and ignorance.   -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2018,12:00    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 12 2018,11:58) Chubby Joke will now scream and holler and fling his own poo for two days to cover his incredible stupidity and ignorance.   :) The evidence and reality say the ignorance and belligerence are all yours, timmy tutu As I said I am willing to ante up $1000 against your $1000 to see who can support their claims -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2018,12:02    The paper did not mention irreducible complexity. The paper did not demonstrate that IC could evolve by means of blind and mindless processes -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2018,12:03    Evos have no idea how to test the claim that ATP synthase evolved by means of natural selection, drift or any other blind and mindless process The same goes for the gene investigated by Thornton et al. Evos have no clue how to test the claim it evolved by means of blind and mindless processes -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2018,13:12    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 12 2018,11:58)   Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 12 2018,11:52)     Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 12 2018,11:48)       Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 12 2018,11:41)         Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 12 2018,10:19)             Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 12 2018,08:31) Thorton's work was published in Science, one of the top scientific journals on the planet.   And the paper did not say anything about irreducible complexity. Those words don't appear in the published paper. And the paper did not demonstrate that blind and mindless processes could produce the gene being investigated. Joke keeps repeating Behe's lies while running from the evidence.   The conclusion of the paper:             Quote The puzzle that complex systems pose for Darwinian evolution depends on the premise that each part has no function—and therefore cannot be selected for—until the entire system is present.  This puzzle might indeed cause Darwin's theory to Bbreak down[ if the functions of the parts must remain static for all time. But virtually all molecules can and do participate in more than one process or interaction, so a complex's elements may have been selected in the past for unrelated functions. Our work indicates that tightly integrated systems can be assembled by combining old molecules with different ancestral roles together with new ones—generated by gene duplication or elaboration of enzymatic pathways— that represent slight structural variants on older elements.We propose thatmolecular exploitation will be a predominant theme in evolution, one that may provide a general explanation for how the molecular interactions critical for life's complexity emerged in Darwinian fashion. Nothing about irreducible complexity. Gene duplications followed by function altering mutations are beyond the capability of blind and mindless processes as demonstrated by the peer-reviewed paper "waiting for two mutations" Poor Joke.  Stuck his foot in his mouth again and agreed that ID has been falsified. The simple fact is IC systems have been empirically demonstrated to evolve through indirect pathways.   Even Behe recognizes this which is why he dropped IC as one of his ID-Creation arguments.  Of course Joke being the intellectual midget he is was too stupid to get the word.   Chubby Joke will now scream and holler and fling his own poo for two days to cover his incredible stupidity and ignorance.   Prediction fulfilled.   Joke Gallien is a scientifically illiterate homophobic douchebag but he's as predictable as sunrise.   -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2018,13:15    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 12 2018,13:12) I am a chickenshit too afraid to ante up The evidence and reality say the ignorance and belligerence are all yours, timmy tutu As I said I am willing to ante up $1000 against your $1000 to see who can support their claims -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2018,13:15    Evos have no idea how to test the claim that ATP synthase evolved by means of natural selection, drift or any other blind and mindless process The same goes for the gene investigated by Thornton et al. Evos have no clue how to test the claim it evolved by means of blind and mindless processes -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2018,13:16    The study by Bridgham et al (2006) published in the April 7 issue of Science is the lamest attempt yet — and perhaps the lamest attempt that’s even possible — to deflect the problem that irreducible complexity poses for Darwinism. LAMEST ATTEMPT EVER -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

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