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rossum



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 06 2011,05:29   

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Giant ice meteors  also hit the earth

And the heat resulting from the impact of these "Giant ice meteors" was enough to ...

You may fill in the dots once you have done the calculation.

rossum

P.S. If you really want to impress us, you need to learn the difference between 'meteor' and 'meteorite'.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 06 2011,05:56   

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As for the flood, evaporite deposits could hardly result from a flood, nor is the enormous amount of bioturbation, including huge numbers of worm burrows, consistent with any flood.  Not that creationists care about actual evidence.

Glen Davidson

It wasnt just rain. The volcanic mid Atlantic ridge opened as did the fountains of the deep. Giant ice meteors  also hit the earth

Translation:  The fact that I know I am right (becuz i redd it in the bibble) means that my arguments get to assume evidence which does not exist, like "giant ice meteors" and "fountains of the deep" (whatever the fuck that means).

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 06 2011,06:22   

Forastero:
 
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The Antediluvian world was described somewhat in the Bible. The Nephilim were destroying the environment and the megafauna, and each other but the lord preserved much of his magnificent creation for us in the fossil record.  It was fairly tropical in my opinion.  The ice age was after the flood. The earth has been  warming and many inland seas have been drying up since the ice age and humans have a lot of influence.

The explosions of life and ice ages are from your scriptures but explained that I'm a lumper and not a splitter

So this...
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there are also all the explosions of life such as the Cambrian explosion, Ordovician explosions, Silurian explosion, Devonian explosions, carboniferous explosions, Triassic explosion, Jurassic explosion, Cretaceous explosion, Paleocene explosion, Eocene explosion, Oligocene  explosion, Miocene explosion,  Pleistocene explosions.

...is utter bullshit. These terms have no referents for you, given that you don't believe these eras to have existed. It follows that when you cite events in those eras as evidence of design (e.g. "explosions" that beg explanation)  you are uttering statements you believe to be false.
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The [blah blah blah] was described somewhat in the Bible [blah blah blah]

So much for your initial sciencey lip service:
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The practice of science involves formulating hypothesis that can be tested for falsifiability via observed data. A scientific theory summarizes a hypothesis or group of hypotheses that have been supported with repeated testing. Basically, if evidence accumulates to support a hypothesis, then the hypothesis can become accepted as a good explanation of a phenomenon. One definition of a theory is to say it's an accepted hypothesis.

Also deliberately misleading, as you don't give a shit about science.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 06 2011,06:51   

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Forastero -

I'm still interested in hearing your thoughts on when the flood occurred, which eras preceded the flood, and which followed.

We should really call them 'foresteras,' given that you have severed yourself from any connection to the standard chronology as parsed relative to the worldwide geological column and the passage of deep time it records. But since you make specific claims using standard nomenclature vis explosions for many geological periods, describe your eras in those terms.

When was the flood? Which eras preceded the flood, and which followed?

The Antediluvian world was described somewhat in the Bible. The Nephilim were destroying the environment and the megafauna, and each other but the lord preserved much of his magnificent creation for us in the fossil record.  It was fairly tropical in my opinion.  The ice age was after the flood. The earth has been  warming and many inland seas have been drying up since the ice age and humans have a lot of influence.

The explosions of life and ice ages are from your scriptures but explained that I'm a lumper and not a splitter

oh, in your opinion, i see.

ahem

"What makes your opinion about the supposed tropicality of a place that never existed in a time that never existed any more valid than say the opinion of the guy that tests my dogs stool samples for worms?"

please do reply

nephilim LOLOL

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 06 2011,07:45   

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Fossil areas all over the world have mammals and dinosaurs in the same vicinity

Of course they do, muppet.  Mammals evolved from synapsids in the Triassic.  What's your point?

Note that I originally said "modern" mammals. He accuses practically every body else in the world of lying of lying but just on this thread we can document many his lies:

All kinds of dinosaurs are being found with soft tissues - He then gives us a list that contains creatures that aren't dinosaurs and examples of soft tissue impressions. In fact he finds one example that is contentious and is being studied by those same SCIENTISTS who he accuses of burying information supporting his fantasies.

Mt St Helens has a canyon exactly like the grand canyon - well no exactly but there are ones that are exactly like the grand canyon but he could be bother digging them up.

Nope I never accused everyone in the world of lying

Actually I gave quite a few examples of soft tissue

Your analogy is equivalent to saying that since cloud-to-ground lightening strikes dont "snake" exactly the same way, then its in no way equivalent

You are lying here too.

You did NOT give examples of soft tissue.  You gave examples of the IMPRESSION of soft tissue that was made in soft, fine grained sediment.

You have not shown that you even understand the difference between tissue and rock.

You never did tell me what exploded to cause the Big Bang.

On the 'snaking canyons' thing.  All of lightening is explained by the physics involved.  Likewise canyon formation is explained by the chemistry and physics involved.

There is a fundamental difference between carving a straight channel in soft sediment and a multi-curved path carved through very hard rock.

What's the difference?

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 06 2011,08:47   

this jackoff isn't content to destroy his name and credibility publicly on PT but he wants to come here and be ritually abused.  

the thing is joe is that you are just another mentally ill person in the world, and you really should get help.  

look what happened to dennis markuze. there, but for the grace of a couple more weeks, goest thou.  

get help, or seriously consider swallowing a bottle of pills and swimming the channel.  either way you can't even stand yourself can you?

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 06 2011,09:06   

I get so frustrated with these people.  

They are utterly incapable of learning.  They think they know about science.  Our buddy here can't explain why epigenetics is evidence for creationism and not evolution... yet he wasted 4 pages of this thread on it.

Yet, he (and others) will go out into the world and keep saying things that are known lies in order to promote their religion.

I think Raven said it best, "It’s mostly been said. A lot of US fundie religion these days seems to be tribalism. “We believe the same silly things so we belong to the same tribe.” Some philosophers lately have noticed this and have said that US xianity has been zombiized. They don’t really much believe in god anymore or care, they believe in their tribe. They certainly don’t follow the tenets of their religion which prohibits lying among other things."

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 06 2011,09:39   

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As for the flood, evaporite deposits could hardly result from a flood, nor is the enormous amount of bioturbation, including huge numbers of worm burrows, consistent with any flood.  Not that creationists care about actual evidence.

Glen Davidson

It wasnt just rain. The volcanic mid Atlantic ridge opened as did the fountains of the deep. Giant ice meteors  also hit the earth

That explains so much.  

Well, except for how evaporite deposits formed during Teh Flud, plus how bioturbation occurred while a flood was raging.  You know, what I wrote about.

Glen Davidson

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 06 2011,09:47   

Do we need to discuss the thermal energy released during such a world wide event... or would that be too much for his mind?

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 06 2011,10:03   

I strongly suspect Forastero here is just another reincarnation of our good buddy and admitted troll Ghost Of Paley / Atheistoclast / Bozo who has recently gone quiet over at TalkRational.

Ash him about his position that the Holocaust was faked.  Or get him to talk about sweaty male wrestlers.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 06 2011,11:08   

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I strongly suspect Forastero here is just another reincarnation of our good buddy and admitted troll Ghost Of Paley / Atheistoclast / Bozo who has recently gone quiet over at TalkRational.

Ash him about his position that the Holocaust was faked.  Or get him to talk about sweaty male wrestlers.

You know I was thinking EXACTLY that. His schtick is very similar to GoP's, right down to the specific topics he brings up.

If this is the case: Fuck off GoP.

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 06 2011,11:28   

Fostero's opening sciencey statement:
   
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The practice of science involves formulating hypothesis that can be tested for falsifiability via observed data. A scientific theory summarizes a hypothesis or group of hypotheses that have been supported with repeated testing. Basically, if evidence accumulates to support a hypothesis, then the hypothesis can become accepted as a good explanation of a phenomenon. One definition of a theory is to say it's an accepted hypothesis.

As one might expect, this was cobbled together by combining Wikipedia and Go.com definitions, without attribution.

Wikipedia on the null hypothesis:
   
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The practice of science involves formulating and testing hypotheses, assertions that are capable of being proven false using a test of observed data.

About.com on theory in science:
   
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A scientific theory summarizes a hypothesis or group of hypotheses that have been supported with repeated testing. A theory is valid as long as there is no evidence to dispute it. Therefore, theories can be disproven. Basically, if evidence accumulates to support a hypothesis, then the hypothesis can become accepted as a good explanation of a phenomenon. One definition of a theory is to say it's an accepted hypothesis.

So, more bullshit from forastero, who endeavored to project a sciencey aura by means of cut and paste.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 06 2011,15:38   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Nov. 06 2011,11:03)
I strongly suspect Forastero here is just another reincarnation of our good buddy and admitted troll Ghost Of Paley / Atheistoclast / Bozo who has recently gone quiet over at TalkRational.

Ash him about his position that the Holocaust was faked.  Or get him to talk about sweaty male wrestlers.

i called that several pages ago LOL

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 06 2011,15:49   

seriously, go see what this dumbass has done to himself. over on the bathroom wall on PT.  unbelievable.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 06 2011,16:39   

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Fossil areas all over the world have mammals and dinosaurs in the same vicinity

Of course they do, muppet.  Mammals evolved from synapsids in the Triassic.  What's your point?

Note that I originally said "modern" mammals. He accuses practically every body else in the world of lying of lying but just on this thread we can document many his lies:

All kinds of dinosaurs are being found with soft tissues - He then gives us a list that contains creatures that aren't dinosaurs and examples of soft tissue impressions. In fact he finds one example that is contentious and is being studied by those same SCIENTISTS who he accuses of burying information supporting his fantasies.

Mt St Helens has a canyon exactly like the grand canyon - well no exactly but there are ones that are exactly like the grand canyon but he could be bother digging them up.

Nope I never accused everyone in the world of lying

Actually I gave quite a few examples of soft tissue

Your analogy is equivalent to saying that since cloud-to-ground lightening strikes dont "snake" exactly the same way, then its in no way equivalent

No the features I listed for the grand canyon are features shared by canyons formed rivers over millions of years which looks different a canyon formed instantly by the volcano.

Why do you need to twist things and lie all of the time?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 06 2011,17:45   

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I have given all kinds of examples on bone density diminishing over time in several critters and the only thing you could respond with was an island dwarf. Again, they call them island dwarfs because they're ancestors were more robust.

Vitamin loss in vegis http://www.lifeextensionvitamins.com/vewivii....co.html

Oh and physicians do understand the growth and degradation that sin can have on a body over time as do good stewards of the earth

Ummm.... you do realize that bone density =/= robustness.

Bone density is a measure of the mass of the bone in a unit volume.  For example, ostriches have a lower bone density that cats, even though the ostriches are larger and even have thicker, more robust bones.  Why?  Because bird bones are much less dense.

sigh...

I'm fairly certain that life extension vitamins.com is not exactly peer-reviewed.  If they link to a peer-reviewed article, then I suggest you just link to that.

Define 'sin'.

Calculate the effects of sin on the various body parts, I would suggest a graph with the 'sinfullness' correlated with the degradation in body parts over the last 100,000 years... oh wait, that's older than the Earth by a factor of about 15...

This is getting crazier and crazier.

Peer reviewed? Who peer reviewed your " All U.S. kids suck at everything" quote; the anticreationists at Planned parenthood? Fyi, that study on mineral loss was done University of Texas and peer reviewed by The Journal of the American College of Nutrition.

Speaking of  fruits and vegetables, your cat and ostrich analysis is like comparing apples and oranges. The animals are designed for different activities but if you look at larger cat and ostrich ancestors their bones will not only be denser than modern representatives due to higher rates of nutrition and probably activity too but also stronger simply due to mass

Of coarse you deny the power of emotions, morality and consciousness. Special interest evolutionists feel a very deep desire feel all is relative

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 06 2011,17:52   

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Here is your e
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If if the systems degrade [due to sin] as you say, it doesnt diminish the fact that thing or way different today. Plus you even admit that the forces makes huge leaps and drops.

Oh and again, what are you empirically calibrating this dating  technique to and why must they autonomously send the samples all over to "supposedly" prevent the abundantly prevalent fraud with these dating techniques? A few secret emails is the norm, I'm sure.

Again go look at a geological map like the dudes do and you will see that these so called eras are spread all over horizontally. Plus oil dudes often love anything that supports survival of the fittest corporate cronyism.

1) quote me, in context, as saying that forces make huge leaps and drops.  Explain how my comment (as referenced above) implies in any way, shape, or form that fundamental laws are changing.  (Hint, the force applied to a car when you lightly touch the gas pedal is much lower than when you press the pedal all the way to the floor.)

2) isochrons - look it up

 You still have not explained what the mechanism of the change in fundamental forces is that would cause radioactivity to change rates.  You still have not explained how this change continues to result in wildly different dating methods all returning the same age.  

3) Have you ever heard of 'uplift' or 'sinking'.

You are actually incorrect, oil dudes love anything that makes them money and geology does so.  What contributions have your notions made to the world?  None...

Here is your exact quote Ogre:"The amount of light hitting the Earth has changed... duh.
This is a well known phenomena that the sun goes through cycles of lowered and increased radiative output.  It is in no way evidence for or implying that any fundamental laws of the universe are changing."



Yes, I am the one who first brought up uplifting. All kinds of stuff gets uplifted and in often miraculously designed and derivatively designed ways

Um dude, thats about what I said about oil dudes too

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 06 2011,17:57   

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Where did I indicate that I disagreed with polyphenic genes? That is what I have been teaching you about. That said, I am not a good teacher to you because you dont deserve it.

In your own words and mine, the mutations detract from their fitness inn one way or another. Short legged cats dont always have a disadvantage like you say but there are plenty of age-old organizations trying to prevent the breeding of them. There must be a reason.

Wow... so much is explained about your personality in this short statement.

EVERYONE deserves to learn everything that they can, all the time.  If you disagree, then you are part of the reason that US kids suck at everything.

In the last sentence... {begin snark} because the old ways are always best right? {end snark}

I can't express how stupid that last sentence is.  If there is a reason, then state it.  Doing something because it's tradition, regardless of whether it's right or not, is one of the fundamental problems that religion causes in our modern world.

Ha ha..do you also believe the Nazis deserved to learn your creed?

evolutionism has always been the most intolerant to every one who wasn't of their "favored race" and creed. Heck, this very website has has expelled me from all other forums and banished me to this one thread like the plague.

Btw 2 I am sure those old cat and dog societies can be down right uppity but they are known to allow mutations so what is it about the short legged cat?

Naxis deserve to learn everything I have to teach them too.  However, much like you, they often choose not to learn.

I have no creed.

Really.  Here's the definition of evolution (even IDists agree on this)

Change in allele frequencies in populations over time.

Please show me were 'favored race', 'creed', 'intolerance', etc is in this definition.. because I must have missed it.

BTW: Just so you know, just because a few people 150 years ago held a certain idea, that does not mean it is central dogma on which the entire science of Biology is based.  The central idea of Biology is based on reproducible evidence.

You were expelled to this forum so that you would stay on topic (it was obvious that you choose not to stay on topics on the other threads).  You have been allowed to remain here, in fact, I don't recall anyone actually being banned from here... unlike ALL of the forums that support YOUR ideas.  Heck, there's a whole thread dedicated to the permanent bannings of users in those other forums... most of which is just for asking questions (much like those you refuse to answer).

Please do not attempt to take a concern troll attitude.  You have to actually be persecuted to be do that.

BTW: I'm sure that if you learned about the subject, you might find the answer (hint: 1983).

I’m, glad we agree that epigenetics is not evolution but whats so special about 1983 topicality?

Oh yeah, wasn’t that the year that atheistic concern trolls could finally cuss out Christians with keyboards and constitute trumped up tardicus topicality in order to suit me for some copy& paste lingo; like hipocriticos trying to save face while playing their mutationist bingo?

Well so sorry to spoil your willful illusions of supremacist grandeur preached to you by the two slave trade schools of anthropology and The Scopes Eugenics trial whom have been making man-made apemen since the Beagle took off to exploit foreign lands.

…and now with your Phylogenies showing chimps as more human than apes and African humans as closets to the apes, and ape-men with black skin and afros. Ha ha..its all politics. In fact the ape genome projects are all backed by liberal politicians with American tax dollars through sinister institutions with a long history of racists and homosexual and transhumanist’s agendas. A transhumanist agenda catapulted by the likes of Darwin and his cousin Galton, Margaret Sanger, The Rockefellers, and ecofeminists like Dr. Savage-Rumbaugh and her Time Warner sponsored Great Ape Trust.

Oh and the above is just one more reason that you bitterly feel that U.S. kids suck at everything

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 06 2011,18:04   

forastero would be closer to being understood if it used sentences

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 06 2011,18:08   

changed my mind.  please poke it again LOL

this plus the PT hilarity convinced me.  let this idiot have the microphone, it's like a retarded carnival barker at a freak show for halfwits and sports

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Fossil areas all over the world have mammals and dinosaurs in the same vicinity

Of course they do, muppet.  Mammals evolved from synapsids in the Triassic.  What's your point?

Note that I originally said "modern" mammals. He accuses practically every body else in the world of lying of lying but just on this thread we can document many his lies:

All kinds of dinosaurs are being found with soft tissues - He then gives us a list that contains creatures that aren't dinosaurs and examples of soft tissue impressions. In fact he finds one example that is contentious and is being studied by those same SCIENTISTS who he accuses of burying information supporting his fantasies.

Mt St Helens has a canyon exactly like the grand canyon - well no exactly but there are ones that are exactly like the grand canyon but he could be bother digging them up.

Nope I never accused everyone in the world of lying

Actually I gave quite a few examples of soft tissue

Your analogy is equivalent to saying that since cloud-to-ground lightening strikes dont "snake" exactly the same way, then its in no way equivalent

You are lying here too.

You did NOT give examples of soft tissue.  You gave examples of the IMPRESSION of soft tissue that was made in soft, fine grained sediment.

You have not shown that you even understand the difference between tissue and rock.

You never did tell me what exploded to cause the Big Bang.

On the 'snaking canyons' thing.  All of lightening is explained by the physics involved.  Likewise canyon formation is explained by the chemistry and physics involved.

There is a fundamental difference between carving a straight channel in soft sediment and a multi-curved path carved through very hard rock.

What's the difference?

Remember how narcissists dismissing everything without reading?  If you would have read the articles you would have seen quotes like

Preservation of the bone protein osteocalcin in dinosaurs
Two different immunological assays were used to identify the remains of a bone matrix protein, osteocalcin (OC), in the bones of dinosaurs and other fossil vertebrates. Antibodies raised against OC from modern vertebrates showed strong immunological cross-reactivity with modern and relatively young fossil samples and significant reactions with some of the dinosaur bone extracts. The presence of OC was confirmed by the detection of a peptide-bound, uniquely vertebrate amino acid, {gamma}carboxyglutamic acid (Gla). Preservation of OC in fossil bones appears to be strongly dependent on the burial history and not simply on age. These results extend the range of protein preservation in the geologic record and provide a first step toward a molecular phylogeny of the dinosaurs.

Dinosaur mummy yields organic molecules
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id....4....4XLc-t4

Bits of Triceratops Gene Extracted July 29, 2000
These scientists analyzed samples from two vertebrae and a rib fragment of a Triceratops from North Dakota, USA, isolating 130 base pairs of its 12S rRNA gene (ribosomal RNA, a type of RNA found in the ribosomes of cells, where protein synthesis occurs). 100% of the base pairs matched those of the turkey (and 94.5% were similar to many of the other bird RNA samples tested). If true, this find certainly strengthens the argument that birds and dinosaurs are closely related.

Specimen also displays several areas of soft-tissue preservation, including the cartilage that attached the shoulder girdle to the skeleton and connected the ribs at the sternum.
http://www.paleosearch.com/kschalk....ls.html

“I looked at this and I looked at this and I thought, this can’t be. Red blood cells don’t preserve.” Furthermore, she added, “It was exactly like looking at a slice of modern bone. But, of course, I couldn’t believe it. I said to the lab technician: “The bones, after all, are 65 million years old. How could blood cells survive that long?’”
“The lab filled with murmurs of amazement, for I had focused on something inside the vessels that none of us had ever noticed(or seen perhaps?) before: tiny round objects, translucent red with a dark center. Then a colleague took one look at them and shouted, ‘You’ve got red blood cells. You’ve got red blood cells!’” Mary Schweitzer
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id....7....7316912 A video with her own words

...but her boss was putting negative pressure on her from the get go. “When she first found the red-blood-cell-looking structures, I said, Yep, that’s what they look like,” “Now see if you can find some evidence to show that that’s not what they are.” Jack Horner--Smithsonian Magazine May 2000. Sure they are going to dismiss her work and force her to retract. They did the same thing when they stomped all over Woodward's dinosaur bone DNA found in the coal mine.
http://discovermagazine.com/2006.......aur-dna

Geologists Find First Clue To Tyrannosaurus Rex Gender In Bone Tissue
It’s a girl … and she’s pregnant! Because the dinosaur tissues didn’t look exactly like pictures published of medullary bone in living birds like chicken and quail, Schweitzer’s team compared the tissue from the femur of the T. rex to that taken from leg bones of more primitive ratites, or flightless birds, such as ostriches and emus. These birds share more features with dinosaurs than other present-day birds. They selected an ostrich and an emu in different stages of their laying cycles, when medullary bone is present.

Oh and btw not even mineralized impression fossils couldnt last in such a fine state over so called millions of years of uplift

again you scoffing without reading

“Spilling from the crater, Loowit Falls reshapes the north slope of the volcano. ‘You’d expect a hardrock canyon to be thousands, even hundreds of thousands of years old,’ says Peter Frenzen, monument scientist, ‘but this was cut in less than a decade." National Geographic, May 2000, p. 121.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 06 2011,18:17   

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forastero would be closer to being understood if it used sentences

Or if the creationists caste were allowed the upper class privilege of  editing

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 06 2011,18:20   

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forastero would be closer to being understood if it used sentences

Or if the creationists caste were allowed the upper class privilege of  editing

Hey, you've got "copy/paste/plagiarise", assclown!

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 06 2011,18:51   

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forastero would be closer to being understood if it used sentences

Or if the creationists caste were allowed the upper class privilege of  editing

STERNBERGLER HIM

hey asshole your bullshit is on here *forever*.  how does that feel, Joseph Esfandiar Hannon Bozorgmehr?  why don't you just form letter batch crank all of the elsevier journals at once, or something.  just for shits and giggles?

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 06 2011,19:42   

this one is a classic

http://talkrational.org/archive....68.html

doozy.  hey, fourasstard you have gotten even dumberer in the past year.  

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Two dipshit non-scientists who pretend to be scientists doing a reacharound! All we need now is bachelor #3, Socrates, and we have us a little menage a tard in the making.


you're not really bachelor number three, are you sweet treat?

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 06 2011,20:09   

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I strongly suspect Forastero here is just another reincarnation of our good buddy and admitted troll Ghost Of Paley / Atheistoclast / Bozo who has recently gone quiet over at TalkRational.

Ash him about his position that the Holocaust was faked.  Or get him to talk about sweaty male wrestlers.

I don't remember Ghost of Paley being THIS stupid.  Maybe the years of acting stupid in isolation made him more stupid.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 06 2011,20:23   

he is growing increasingly more agitated and, in the absence of me knowing the right clinical term for it, "bugfuck apeshit crazier than a nine eyed nitidulid in a sand storm".  TR, PT, here, who knows where else, the pattern is increasing amplitude and frequency.  

same troll.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 06 2011,20:27   

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Peer reviewed? Who peer reviewed your " All U.S. kids suck at everything" quote; the anticreationists at Planned parenthood? Fyi, that study on mineral loss was done University of Texas and peer reviewed by The Journal of the American College of Nutrition.

Speaking of  fruits and vegetables, your cat and ostrich analysis is like comparing apples and oranges. The animals are designed for different activities but if you look at larger cat and ostrich ancestors their bones will not only be denser than modern representatives due to higher rates of nutrition and probably activity too but also stronger simply due to mass

Of coarse you deny the power of emotions, morality and consciousness. Special interest evolutionists feel a very deep desire feel all is relative

Hmmm... It just crazier and crazier.  This is hilarious.

Did you actually read the article you linked to?  Please explain, in detail, how the following reasons for lower vegetable nutrition indicate a diminishing of fundamental laws of nature and/or sin.

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When asked about the apparent drain, commercial plant breeders refuse to comment, but clues have emerged as to why today's vegetables are not what they should be. It has to do with the way commercial growers do business.


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Desirable traits for commercial growers who want produce to ship well, look good, and weigh a lot, but undesirable traits for consumers who buy produce as a source of nutrition. Plant jockeys call it "the dilution effect." More water and pith, less vitamin content.


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Most commercial fruit, including tomatoes, is picked green. Green fruit doesn't have a chance to sun-ripen; it's artificially ripened with ethylene, a natural plant hormone. Ethylene is what causes tomatoes to turn pinkish. Produce deprived of sunlight doesn't have a chance to develop sunlight-related nutrients such as anthocyanins...


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Other plant vitamins can also be affected by premature picking


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Changing climates, commercial fertilizers, and changes in soil composition have also been identified as reasons for the vitamin drain in commercial produce. Increasing carbon dioxide levels are known to significantly diminish important trace minerals, including zinc.


There's more, but I'll stop there.  I expect an answer to the question.

BTW: Further evidence that US kids suck at science.  Reading and critical thinking are important in science, you seem to lack them.

I'm NOT comparing cats and ostriches... I'm comparing the relative density of the bone.  Again, a topic you brought up, then don't understand.  If you didn't mean bone density then you shouldn't have said it.

Quote me where I deny emotions, morals, and consciousness.  Go ahead, I'll wait.

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If if the systems degrade [due to sin] as you say, it doesnt diminish the fact that thing or way different today. Plus you even admit that the forces makes huge leaps and drops.

Oh and again, what are you empirically calibrating this dating  technique to and why must they autonomously send the samples all over to "supposedly" prevent the abundantly prevalent fraud with these dating techniques? A few secret emails is the norm, I'm sure.

Again go look at a geological map like the dudes do and you will see that these so called eras are spread all over horizontally. Plus oil dudes often love anything that supports survival of the fittest corporate cronyism.

1) quote me, in context, as saying that forces make huge leaps and drops.  Explain how my comment (as referenced above) implies in any way, shape, or form that fundamental laws are changing.  (Hint, the force applied to a car when you lightly touch the gas pedal is much lower than when you press the pedal all the way to the floor.)

2) isochrons - look it up

 You still have not explained what the mechanism of the change in fundamental forces is that would cause radioactivity to change rates.  You still have not explained how this change continues to result in wildly different dating methods all returning the same age.  

3) Have you ever heard of 'uplift' or 'sinking'.

You are actually incorrect, oil dudes love anything that makes them money and geology does so.  What contributions have your notions made to the world?  None...

Here is your exact quote Ogre:"The amount of light hitting the Earth has changed... duh.
This is a well known phenomena that the sun goes through cycles of lowered and increased radiative output.  It is in no way evidence for or implying that any fundamental laws of the universe are changing."



Yes, I am the one who first brought up uplifting. All kinds of stuff gets uplifted and in often miraculously designed and derivatively designed ways

Um dude, thats about what I said about oil dudes too

You didn't finish your work.  You were supposed to explain how that statement implied or supported that the fundamental laws of physics are changing... forgot about that did you?

BTW: Here's an interesting article... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki....riation

There are 57 references.  I especially like this quote from the Wikipedia article

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The level of solar activity during the past 70 years is exceptional — the last period of similar magnitude occurred around 9,000 years ago (during the warm Boreal period).[29][30] The Sun was at a similarly high level of magnetic activity for only ~10% of the past 11,400 years, and almost all of the earlier high-activity periods were shorter than the present episode.[30]


References
Usoskin, I. G.; Solanki, S. K.; Kovaltsov, G. A. (2007). "Grand minima and maxima of solar activity: new observational constraints" (PDF). Astronomy & Astrophysics 471 (1): 301–309. Bibcode 2007A&A...471..301U. doi:10.1051/0004-6361:20077704. Retrieved 3 June 2011.

Solanki, Sami K.; Usoskin, Ilya G.; Kromer, Bernd; Schüssler, Manfred; Beer, Jürg (2004). "Unusual activity of the Sun during recent decades compared to the previous 11,000 years" (PDF). Nature 431 (7012): 1084–7. Bibcode 2004Natur.431.1084S. doi:10.1038/nature02995. PMID 15510145. Retrieved 17 April 2007., "11,000 Year Sunspot Number Reconstruction". Global Change Master Directory. Retrieved 2005-03-11.

Whoops

"secret e-mails"... How did they do this in the 60s and 70s?

Oh never mind, just put on your tinfoil hat.

No, for, not ALL KINDS of stuff gets uplifted.  Only some stuff in very specific locations.

You are just randomly selecting a comment and then applying it to a totally different topic.  It's really funny how far you will go to avoid discussion, when you know you fracked up.  (BTW: What was exploding during the Big Bang?)

No, that's not what you said.  I said that oiil 'dudes' use geology because it works.  You claim that the geological science that they use on a daily basis is wrong.

Let's see, they are making billions of dollars per year, using my version of science... and no one makes a dime using yours.  Bye bye, thanks for playing.

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I’m, glad we agree that epigenetics is not evolution but whats so special about 1983 topicality?

Oh yeah, wasn’t that the year that atheistic concern trolls could finally cuss out Christians with keyboards and constitute trumped up tardicus topicality in order to suit me for some copy& paste lingo; like hipocriticos trying to save face while playing their mutationist bingo?

Well so sorry to spoil your willful illusions of supremacist grandeur preached to you by the two slave trade schools of anthropology and The Scopes Eugenics trial whom have been making man-made apemen since the Beagle took off to exploit foreign lands.

…and now with your Phylogenies showing chimps as more human than apes and African humans as closets to the apes, and ape-men with black skin and afros. Ha ha..its all politics. In fact the ape genome projects are all backed by liberal politicians with American tax dollars through sinister institutions with a long history of racists and homosexual and transhumanist’s agendas. A transhumanist agenda catapulted by the likes of Darwin and his cousin Galton, Margaret Sanger, The Rockefellers, and ecofeminists like Dr. Savage-Rumbaugh and her Time Warner sponsored Great Ape Trust.

Oh and the above is just one more reason that you bitterly feel that U.S. kids suck at everything

So, why was the idea of epigenetics even brought up again?  Oh yeah, because you somehow think it supports your idea of a designer.  

Can you keep a constant thought in your brain.  You made a specific claim.  I challenged you to research that claim and even gave you a hint (1983).  The fact that you don't even remember what my comment was about just indicates how little you care about knowledge.

I think I speak for everyone when I say WHAT! THE! FUCK!?????

You are absolutely right, if you are a product of the American education system... we are freaking screwed as a country.

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