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Posted: June 27 2008,11:55

hahahaha

Clarence:

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“Discovery Institute’s persistent stress on humans being made in the image of God and that not being a privilege extended to the rest of the animal world makes more and more sense.”

So when the Discovery Institute talks about an Intelligent Designer, it really does mean God?

Thanks for finally clearing that up.

DaveScot

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Clarence

So when the Discovery Institute talks about an Intelligent Designer, it really does mean God?

In the same manner as when the National Center for Selling Evolution (NCSE) talks about the theory of evolution they mean that God is a superstitious fantasy and living things are really all just purposeless bags of chemicals - assembled by cosmic accident.

I hope that clears things up for you.

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Posted: June 27 2008,13:08

On the Jindal signs pro-ignorance bill thread, Sal slips, freudianly

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Jindal was a biology major at Ken Miller’s IVY league school, Brown University….

This is why I’m enthusiastic about the spread of true science in the universities through channels outside of the public school system and even the college classroom. The movement for open inquiry is fascilitated by public leactures, public debates, books, internet, DVD, churches and things like the IDEA chapters….

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Posted: June 27 2008,16:33

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Clarence:

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“Discovery Institute’s persistent stress on humans being made in the image of God and that not being a privilege extended to the rest of the animal world makes more and more sense.”

So when the Discovery Institute talks about an Intelligent Designer, it really does mean God?

Thanks for finally clearing that up.

DaveScot

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Clarence

So when the Discovery Institute talks about an Intelligent Designer, it really does mean God?

In the same manner as when the National Center for Selling Evolution (NCSE) talks about the theory of evolution they mean that God is a superstitious fantasy and living things are really all just purposeless bags of chemicals - assembled by cosmic accident.

I hope that clears things up for you.

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Shorter DT the "agnostic":

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Yeah. At least we're not atheists.

What a maroon.

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Posted: June 27 2008,18:23

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In the same manner as when the National Center for Selling Evolution (NCSE) talks about the theory of evolution they mean that God is a superstitious fantasy and living things are really all just purposeless bags of chemicals - assembled by cosmic accident.

I'm always baffled by this. Who came up with the idea that people need God to have meaningful and/or ethical lives? Why is this idea so pervasive in the United States? You'd have to ignore 75% of Western philosophy to seriously believe it. Someone from UD needs to take a course in existentialism or something. Or just an introduction to ethics.

Also, evolution has nothing to do with any of these questions. It's silly; a paper on evolution in a biology journal has about as much to do with ethics, or existence or metaphysics as it does with the price of pizza in New Zealand.

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Posted: June 27 2008,18:40

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I'm always baffled by this. Who came up with the idea that people need God to have meaningful and/or ethical lives? Why is this idea so pervasive in the United States?

Let me help you out in three words or less:

Money
Power
Control

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Posted: June 27 2008,19:19

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I'm always baffled by this. Who came up with the idea that people need God to have meaningful and/or ethical lives? Why is this idea so pervasive in the United States?

Let me help you out in three words or less:

Money
Power
Control

Yes! We have a winner! Money, Power & Control it is!

Please send lawyers, guns and money to block.

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Posted: June 27 2008,19:23

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In the same manner as when the National Center for Selling Evolution (NCSE) talks about the theory of evolution they mean that God is a superstitious fantasy and living things are really all just purposeless bags of chemicals - assembled by cosmic accident.

Thanks Dave, for letting us know that scientific theories are only true if they make you feel special.

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Posted: June 27 2008,21:50

DaveScot

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My personal opinion is that God gave us, as part of being created in His image, the ultimate ability to restore paradise.

By keeping evil out of UD Dave is obviously doing his best to create heaven on earth.

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Posted: June 27 2008,22:03

D'OL

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I can only get over this fit of envy by writing another book.

Hey, I have been a book editor most of my adult life. I know books. I know them well.

...

Yes, book writing is indeed a dying art, and I’ll die with it - but … not yet.

I will write one more book.

I do understand that D'OL is threatening the world with yet another book and that her motivation for doing so is questionable. But what the hell is the rest of the post about?

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Posted: June 27 2008,22:18

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My personal opinion is that God gave us, as part of being created in His image, the ultimate ability to restore paradise.

By keeping evil out of UD Dave is obviously doing his best to create heaven on earth.

AGNOSTITASTIC!

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Posted: June 27 2008,22:55

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My personal opinion is that God gave us, as part of being created in His image, the ultimate ability to restore paradise.

And how, exactly, is that going to come about, Dave? Not through religion. Supposedly God himself sent his proxy to set everything right 2000 years ago and we can all see how well that worked out.

Surely not through science, Dave? Science, which is dominated by those atheistic, Darwinist science professors?

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Posted: June 27 2008,23:47

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D'OL

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I can only get over this fit of envy by writing another book.

Hey, I have been a book editor most of my adult life. I know books. I know them well.

...

Yes, book writing is indeed a dying art, and I’ll die with it - but … not yet.

I will write one more book.

I do understand that D'OL is threatening the world with yet another book and that her motivation for doing so is questionable. But what the hell is the rest of the post about?

Denyse should know better than to post while drunk.

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Posted: June 28 2008,01:41

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D'OL

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I can only get over this fit of envy by writing another book.

Hey, I have been a book editor most of my adult life. I know books. I know them well.

...

Yes, book writing is indeed a dying art, and I’ll die with it - but … not yet.

I will write one more book.

I do understand that D'OL is threatening the world with yet another book and that her motivation for doing so is questionable. But what the hell is the rest of the post about?

"Here's a cool blog post, but I can't just write that, have to stamp my personality on the link.

P.S. Buy my book, once it's published"

The story she links to is amusing, at least.

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Posted: June 28 2008,02:07

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Euler made up for all of them. Of course the kids survival rate was pretty poor.

He and the family should have moved to Texas. Then they would have been the Houston Eulers.

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Posted: June 28 2008,03:30

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My personal opinion is that God gave us, as part of being created in His image, the ultimate ability to restore paradise.

Well then, not very intelligent of God to also give us as part of being created in His image, the ultimate ability to restore the planet to primal conditions. Or just to vipe out all life. Or just a little genocide here and there. All just like God used to do. Yeah, verily we are Gods!

Looks as if that is the more probable outcome rather than restoring paradise - if there ever was a paradise here. Must have been before man entered the stage.

Or maybe there is a twinkle of hope, - the compulsory teaching of ID. No more sin, war, crime on Earth! Hallelujah!

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Posted: June 28 2008,07:27

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ June 27 2008,12:55)

DaveScot

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Clarence

So when the Discovery Institute talks about an Intelligent Designer, it really does mean God?

In the same manner as when the National Center for Selling Evolution (NCSE) talks about the theory of evolution they mean that God is a superstitious fantasy and living things are really all just purposeless bags of chemicals - assembled by cosmic accident.

I hope that clears things up for you.

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Is there some part of unguided/unplanned that you don't understand specifically excludes guidance/planning and specifically excluding guidance/planning specifically excludes a guider/planner?

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Posted: June 28 2008,16:01

On GrannyTard's Expelled screening thread, mighty apollos opines

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Additionally, there is much that can be gained by informing the public on just what goes on inside the cell. Right now Darwin’s black box is really modern society’s black box.

A multi-part elucidation on sub cellular mechanics with appropriate commentary of the strengths and weaknesses of evolutionary thinking, side by side with clear instruction on design thinking (absent all the pejoratives and motive mongering that accompanies most other commentary) would go along way toward educating the public. I tend to think there would be interest here, perhaps more than anticipated.

That would go something like this:

Human Mitochondrial ATP synthase

Evolutionary thinking - link to several thousand peer-reviewed papers showing the relationship of this key enzyme to ancient bacterial enzymes and to modern chloroplast enzymes, like this.

Design thinking - Ooooh, it looks like a turbine. It looks designed. Who needs experiments? Goddidit!

Repeat as needed.

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Posted: June 28 2008,21:06

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....houghts

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28 June 2008
Expelled: Why are Americans allowed to care so much about freedom?, and other thoughts
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Even her titles are stupid.

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Posted: June 28 2008,21:13

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Even her titles are stupid.

I was thinking about slapping a PotW sticker on that, but Granny did all the work.

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Posted: June 28 2008,21:15

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1:33 pm

Tard Alert!

Nice post, Denyse, except for the part about open theism.

Despite what you may have been told or inferred, there are no essential connections between open theism and theistic evolution. Open theism is committed to three things: (1) Theism, of a broadly classical sort; (2) future contingency; and (3) the idea that future contingency is incompatible with the future’s being epistemically settled for God. (For elaboration, I invite you to read my essay “Generic Open Theism and Some Varieties Thereof” recently published in the academic journal Religious Studies 44 (2008): 225–234.) That’s it. Hence, while open theism is compatible with TE, it’s also compatible with YEC and everything in between (including ID).

Finally, your dismissal of open theism as an “atheist heresy” is simply ridiculous. It reflects considerable ignorance not only of open theism but also of a number of complex and heavily discussed philosophical and theological issues, such as the relation of God and time.

Keep up your good work promoting ID, Denyse, but please don’t drag in issues like open theism that you are ill-prepared to comment on. Thanks.

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Posted: June 28 2008,21:21

Denyse says:

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TV series needed?

Given the many recent discoveries that challenge Darwinism and materialism, a thirteen-part TV series on the real arguments for and against design is needed. But I can’t think who would show the series. That was likely a key reason for the producers’ decision to just make a film, so that at least people willing to buy tickets could find out something.

Hey Denyse, are you guys interested in ever doing some actual ID science?

Didn't think so.

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Posted: June 28 2008,21:23

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28 June 2008
Expelled: Why are Americans allowed to care so much about freedom?, and other thoughts
O'Leary

Even her titles are stupid.

The comments on that thread are evolving into a regular tardfight.

Someone named Alan Rhoda chimes in and points out that GrannyTard is full of crap, from a philosophical perspective at least. Dr. Dr. D. defends Granny, and then Beckwith says that Rhoda is a student of his, and a "good philosopher". Rhoda comes back and elaborates on his original point (Denyse is an idjwit). So GrannyTard takes the bait and tries to defend her position, with typical ensuing hilarity.

Her term "a heresy of atheism" is so mind-bogglingly twisted that it deserves a gold star.

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Posted: June 28 2008,21:26

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...Denyse, but please don’t drag in issues like open theism that you are ill-prepared to comment on. Thanks.

Of course that would leave her blissfully speechless.

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Posted: June 28 2008,21:46

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Given the many recent discoveries that challenge Darwinism and materialism, a thirteen-part TV series on the real arguments for and against design is needed.

Okay, so 13 episodes on the real arguments against design. As soon as they have a real argument for design, they can do the second season.

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Posted: June 28 2008,21:55

Just to get this on record in case Dembski deletes his words later:

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Here is one consequence of evolution being used to justify strict continuity between humans and other forms of life. Discovery Institute’s persistent stress on humans being made in the image of God and that not being a privilege extended to the rest of the animal world makes more and more sense.

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Posted: June 29 2008,01:44

Denyse's thread is great. Aside from the tard, there is an interesting theological discussion. Of course, it's not from the regulars, and Alan Rhoda pwns Dembski in the way only academics can (short translation: you don't have a clue what you're talking about).

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Posted: June 29 2008,05:45

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Denyse's thread is great. Aside from the tard, there is an interesting theological discussion. Of course, it's not from the regulars, and Alan Rhoda pwns Dembski in the way only academics can (short translation: you don't have a clue what you're talking about).

The best thing about that thread is imagining how Dembski hears it:

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O'Leary:
Quack, quack, quack...

Rhoda:
Denyse, with all due respect, WTF are you talking about? Stick to the propaganda and leave the thinking to the big boys.

Dembski:
I'm not sure Denyse is as wrong as you think she is.

Beckwith:
Hi Bill, haven't seen you since I converted back to Catholicism, quit the Discovery Institute, and got tenure at Baylor. How's your career going? I disagree with Alan about open theism, but he's a hell of a lot smarter than you and that halfwit you're defending. Alan and I met at the Baylor cafeteria recently -- you know the one -- to talk about our future work together at Notre Dame. Have you heard of it?

Where did you say you are now? Southwest what?

O'Leary:
Quack, quack, quack...

Rhoda:
Respectfully, Denyse, I must say that you know less about open theism than Bill Dembski does about the social graces. Two plus two does not equal eight, moron. And I mean that respectfully.

Rhoda:
Thanks for the introduction, Frank. I look forward to eating with you and your wife at the Notre Dame cafeteria.

Edited by Lou FCD on June 29 2008,18:09

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Posted: June 29 2008,06:42

I had dinner at the Notre Dame University Club -- the week before it got torn down.

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Posted: June 29 2008,07:13

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I had dinner at the Notre Dame University Club -- the week before it got torn down.

Is that like breaking the glasses used for the wedding toast, so that they'll never be used for a lesser purpose?

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