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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2007,20:42   

So if Dembski did fabricate this email, what would his motivation be? Is Dembski actually dumb enough to make up an email from the president of Baylor? Is he that deranged with bitterness about what happened to him there?

Seems if Lilley *didn't* write the email he could state that he didn't write it and make Dembski look *very* foolish.

Weird.

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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2007,20:42   

A possible motive for hoaxing an email from Lilley would be to provoke a bunch of indignant ID booster emails to him at Baylor, thereby showing that the base is in favor of Marks doing whatever the heck he wants to do, which seems to be to act as Quirrell to Dembski's Voldemort.

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2007,20:57   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Sep. 01 2007,21:42)
So if Dembski did fabricate this email, what would his motivation be? Is Dembski actually dumb enough to make up an email from the president of Baylor? Is he that deranged with bitterness about what happened to him there?

Right now, that's how I'm leaning. Several people in PMs think it looks like a fabrication.

We'll see.

   
Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2007,20:58   

Does Dembski have some kind of grudge against Lilley? Was Lilley in charge at Baylor when Dembski did his little booboo there?

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2007,20:59   

Dave bids a fand fairwelf:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/off-top....-135250

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DaveScot

09/01/2007

8:49 pm
Via con Dios, Salvador.

Welcome aboard, John Doe!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaya_con_Dios

God? Are you sure Dave?
May the farce be with you.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2007,21:02   

New edit:


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President John Lilley responds in Robert Marks case
Botnik
{For heaven?s sake people, THIS IS A P-A-R-O-D-Y!!}


Us - 1
Design detectives - 0.

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2007,21:03   

Dembski would have to be unhinged to make up a letter from Lilley. But he's the guy who thought a clever response to a 130-page judicial ruling would be to make a bunch of farty noises. So who the hell knows if it's a hoax or not. You can't predict what the irrational will do.

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2007,21:04   

Well there you have it. Just a dumb lie from the farty noise people.

   
Lufeld



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2007,21:05   

UD now says its a Parody !!!

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2007,21:09   



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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2007,21:10   

Unlike the AtBC denizens, the UD commenters swallowed it hook, line, and sinker. I've saved the page in case they try to delete those comments. Comments like this one:

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StephenB

09/01/2007

8:49 pm

Tard Alert!

Clearly, Lilley has betrayed the stated mission of the University which is to become a first tier University while maintaining its Christian Identity. Robert Sloan, for all his faults, believed in the mission but did not have the courage to maintain it. Apparently, Lilley does not even believe in it at all.

I would not want to guess whether he is a real Christian or not. The world is full of nominal Christians who allude to their faith even as they promote nothing but secular values. They love having it both ways?that?s they way they get libraries named after them. By the way, has anyone visited the Lilley Library at Penn State Erie.


it appears Davescot wasn't in on the joke

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DaveScot

09/01/2007

8:29 pm

Tard Alert!

Presumably Lilley is a Christian. Does he realize the people he is pandering to think he?s a blithering idiot for believing in Christianity?
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nullasalus

09/01/2007

6:59 pm

Tard Alert!

Well, apparently judges now decide what is or is not science/religion. And the president of Baylor doesn?t see the need to explain his motivations - referring to the ruling will do.

The hostility coming through in that letter is surprising.
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Jehu

09/01/2007

6:49 pm

Tard Alert!

So the ACLU now dictates what is science at Baylor?

Do the good Baptists of America realize a hard core Darwinist and sock puppet of the ACLU is President of their leading uinversity?

   
Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2007,21:12   

I guess Bill just wanted to make sure his fans still loved him.

So I guess 'Botnik' is the name Bill uses when he's trying to be a card.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2007,21:13   

I love being right.
All science so far!

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2007,21:20   

Yep. ?It was just street theater... The following words just magically appeared on UD -

"{For heaven?s sake people, THIS IS A P-A-R-O-D-Y!!}"

But this is bad news for UD - They just destroyed another sock puppet for their cheap theatrics.

Guess Davey will just have to design another sock puppet.

added in edit:  That should be Mr. Dr. Bill designing the new sock puppet.  Sorry For picking on you Dave!

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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2007,21:22   

Sal leaves us with this:

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I spoke of books, but let me add one more illustration: spacecrafts.

Sal, don't forget sheeps, fishes (like trouts, salmons, and pikes), buffalos, and antelopes.

(PULEEZE don't LEAVE US!!)

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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2007,21:23   

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-135252

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O'Leary

09/01/2007

9:07 pm
THERE you are, Botnik! I knew I?d catch up with you. How many times have I told you ?

If you create one more avatar of a public figure just for fun, I am going to send you back to the obit desk and you can spend the rest of your career writing obits for stupid, self-satisfied creeps.

Lord knows, there?s enough of them and I?ll save them all for you.

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Forthekids

09/01/2007

9:19 pm
ROTFL!!!

There is a God?I was having trouble believing he?d made someone as stupid as psuedo-Lilley


oh dear.

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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2007,21:28   

Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 01 2007,22:04)
Well there you have it. Just a dumb lie from the farty noise people.

Un-fucking-believable. The post, the comments, the whole damn thing.

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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2007,21:32   

Weird Situation at Baylor Gets Weirder

More comments on the goings-on at Baylor University and UD.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2007,21:35   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Sep. 01 2007,21:32)
Weird Situation at Baylor Gets Weirder

More comments on the goings-on at Baylor University and UD.

But..but...

The E.F. wasn't plugged in...

:angry:

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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2007,21:37   

I do think that the "Lilley letter" thing definitely has to be counted in the "more of this" for the UD 2.0 makeover project, though.

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Hermagoras



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2007,21:41   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Sep. 01 2007,21:22)
Sal leaves us with this:

 
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I spoke of books, but let me add one more illustration: spacecrafts.

Sal, don't forget sheeps, fishes (like trouts, salmons, and pikes), buffalos, and antelopes.

(PULEEZE don't LEAVE US!!)

And Hobbitses.

We loves the Hobbitses.
We hates the Hobbitses!

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2007,21:45   

Forthekids is a tard
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ROTFL!!!
There is a God?I was having trouble believing he?d made someone as stupid as psuedo-Lilley.


At a certain point, everything becomes proof of God.

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2007,22:39   

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Jehu

09/01/2007

9:57 pm

Tard Alert!

Eh, not funny. For the record I suspected it was a hoax, see post #3 but still, you had me going.

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The Fork

09/01/2007

10:00 pm

Tard Alert!

Okay, I?ve said this already in another thread, but THIS POST SHOULD BE REMOVED and John Lilley deserves a PUBLIC APOLOGY for this little stunt.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2007,23:06   

Speaking of Sal, he gets spanked.

And how.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2007,23:28   

Quote (carlsonjok @ Sep. 01 2007,23:06)
Speaking of Sal, he gets spanked.

And how.

"You. Sal Cordova. You cottage cheese dripping pussy".

Yow. I think I'm in love.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2007,23:53   

Bad day for creobots all 'round.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2007,23:59   

Keep in mind that the hiring of Robert Marks was to be one of the key events of the banner 2007 year for ID. Along with, I recall, Behe's book and something else I don't remember...

  
bdelloid



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2007,00:12   

...err, not the hiring...but the establishment of that Evolutionary Informatics lab...if I recall.

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2007,03:10   

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-135267

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Apollos

09/01/2007

10:22 pm
Fork, running around this blog all red-faced and indignant shaking your finger in everyone?s face is not going to win anyone over to your way of thinking.



Really? I thought "running around this blog all red-faced and indignant shaking your finger in everyone?s face" was your way of thinking...

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2007,03:55   

Sal seems to make a strange admission:
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I attempted to apply both at Hopkins and at Baylor.

What happened with Baylor?  Was the form too complicated to fill in?

Bob

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