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Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 22 2009,17:04    In contrast, a scientist might say we don't know everything, therefore the scientific method was invented to help cope with that. Henry

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 22 2009,17:11    Quote (Henry J @ Oct. 22 2009,15:04) In contrast, a scientist might say we don't know everything, therefore the scientific method was invented to help cope with that. Henry Or that we don't know everything we think we know. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

keiths Posts: 2195 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 22 2009,18:47    Amazon reviewer: Quote I have to admit I couldn't finish this book. After numerous attempts I just put it aside. Life's too short to waste on some things. (Pitches Berlinski's book into wastebasket.) Reg: Quote I've wasted enough of my life listening to this. (Kills audio player.) God: Quote I've wasted too much matter, space and energy on this imbecile. (Kills Berlinski.) -------------- And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number. -- Joe G Please stop putting words into my mouth that don't belong there and thoughts into my mind that don't belong there. -- KF

Fross Posts: 71 Joined: Mar. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 22 2009,22:54    Quote (Reg @ Oct. 22 2009,16:20) Quote (Ptaylor @ Oct. 22 2009,15:23)     Quote (Fross @ Oct. 23 2009,03:06) OMG.  How does a car become a submarine? For those that missed it first time around, oleaginous narcissist Homme de la Renaissance Berlinski gives his car-to-submarine analogy here. In a twofer, he includes the now classic the "I stopped at 50,000 changes" line. Has David Berlinksi ever shown his workings for the "50,000 changes" claim? And why not? Are we to believe that he's said this, which has made him rich and famous, but he hasn't kept the original notes? I think we should start a competition to find the original workings of Berlinksi's "50,000 changes" claim. Winner gets a copy of a Denyse O'Leary book. Runner-up gets two Denyse O'Leary books. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v....bedded#     Someone figured it out, but I'm left confused.  Is this a win for Darwinism?   I also saw a jeep with a jeep snorkel once, but it was only halfway in the water. I like Berlinski's example of getting a cow to turn into a whale.  A list with 50,000 items is quite impressive.  This brings up another good question.   What would it take to turn a *ahem* banana into a raven?  Darwinists have never asked this question nor come up with a list.  What are they hiding!? -------------- "For everything else, there's Mastertard"

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 22 2009,23:01    Quote (Reg @ Oct. 22 2009,16:20)   Quote (Ptaylor @ Oct. 22 2009,15:23)       Quote (Fross @ Oct. 23 2009,03:06) OMG.  How does a car become a submarine? For those that missed it first time around, oleaginous narcissist Homme de la Renaissance Berlinski gives his car-to-submarine analogy here. In a twofer, he includes the now classic the "I stopped at 50,000 changes" line. Has David Berlinksi ever shown his workings for the "50,000 changes" claim? And why not? Are we to believe that he's said this, which has made him rich and famous, but he hasn't kept the original notes? I think we should start a competition to find the original workings of Berlinksi's "50,000 changes" claim. Winner gets a copy of a Denyse O'Leary book. Runner-up gets two Denyse O'Leary books. Last place gets a night with O'Leary.

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 22 2009,23:09    Quote What would it take to turn a *ahem* banana into a raven?  Darwinists have never asked this question nor come up with a list.  What are they hiding!? A bunch of seriously stretched out dead ravens.  Have you ever compared the size of a banana to the size of a raven's ... um Never mind.  I'll ask Ray Comfort, he'll know.

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 22 2009,23:29    I'm watching Berlinski right now on YouTube here and I notice two things: First, this is part 2 of a four or five part series titled, "The Incorrigible Dr. Berlinski" and it's sponsored by "YaNabi.com - Largest Islamic Portal" and Second, at about 2:45 in the interview, Berlinski is listing all of the things you would have to change in a cow [which whales are not descended from, incidently] into a whale and one of them is       Quote The skin has to change completely, it has to be made impermeable to water, that's one change. Dr. Berlinski evidently comes from a country where their cows leak through their permeable skin. ( I wonder if they swell up and burst during rainstorms?)  Either that or he knows about as much about whales and cows as he knows about evolution.  I think I'll go with B.  He wins the night with Denyse O'Leary.

keiths Posts: 2195 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2009,00:35    ShawnBoy reports Allen MacNeill to the thought police: Quote 115 ShawnBoy 10/22/2009 10:51 pm OT: The shifty professor, Allen MacNeill, is making questionable claims about U.D. and its members at another I.D. blog (October 22nd, 2009 at 10:43 pm). I don’t want to seem a trouble maker, I just thought you all should be made aware of it. Allen's crime?  Pointing out that there are lots of YECs at UD. Really. -------------- And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number. -- Joe G Please stop putting words into my mouth that don't belong there and thoughts into my mind that don't belong there. -- KF

didymos Posts: 1828 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2009,00:48    Quote (CeilingCat @ Oct. 22 2009,21:29) Second, at about 2:45 in the interview, Berlinski is listing all of the things you would have to change in a cow [which whales are not descended from, incidently] [snip] He probably heard somewhere about the Cetartiodactyla thing and figured cow was close enough, because he's an idiot.  Or, figured that was adequately misleading and would seem suitably ridiculous to those who don't know any better, because he's an asshole. -------------- I wouldn't be bothered reading about the selfish gene because it has never been identified. -- Denyse O'Leary, professional moron Again "how much". I don't think that's a good way to be quantitative.-- gpuccio

didymos Posts: 1828 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2009,00:57    Quote (keiths @ Oct. 22 2009,22:35) ShawnBoy reports Allen MacNeill to the thought police: Quote 115 ShawnBoy 10/22/2009 10:51 pm OT: The shifty professor, Allen MacNeill, is making questionable claims about U.D. and its members at another I.D. blog (October 22nd, 2009 at 10:43 pm). I don’t want to seem a trouble maker, I just thought you all should be made aware of it. Allen's crime?  Pointing out that there are lots of YECs at UD. Really. What's more, he didn't even say anything about UD until someone else brought it up specifically. He was just talking about YEC and ID in general. -------------- I wouldn't be bothered reading about the selfish gene because it has never been identified. -- Denyse O'Leary, professional moron Again "how much". I don't think that's a good way to be quantitative.-- gpuccio

sparc Posts: 2088 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2009,01:19    Quote (didymos @ Oct. 23 2009,00:57) Quote (keiths @ Oct. 22 2009,22:35) ShawnBoy reports Allen MacNeill to the thought police:   Quote 115 ShawnBoy 10/22/2009 10:51 pm OT: The shifty professor, Allen MacNeill, is making questionable claims about U.D. and its members at another I.D. blog (October 22nd, 2009 at 10:43 pm). I don’t want to seem a trouble maker, I just thought you all should be made aware of it. Allen's crime?  Pointing out that there are lots of YECs at UD. Really. What's more, he didn't even say anything about UD until someone else brought it up specifically. He was just talking about YEC and ID in general. OMG, Scordova is in that thread on that other I.D. blog. Didn't he promise to stay out of this business to concentrate on his university studies? BTW, has anybody seen KairosFocus aks Gordon E. Mullings from Montserrat recently? ETA link -------------- "[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God." - William Dembski -

didymos Posts: 1828 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2009,01:36    Quote (sparc @ Oct. 22 2009,23:19) BTW, has anybody seen KairosFocus aks Gordon E. Mullings from Montserrat recently? Well, he's not dead.  His crappy blog has an October 22nd entry.  He was bitching about gay rights being a neo-colonial imposition or something: Quote In short, the UK MPs in question hope to use colonial power to impose on unwilling Caribbean people of Judaeo-Christian heritage the novelty of so-called same-sex marriage, which is both repugnant to the overwhelming majority of the peoples of the Caribbean and which is credibly destructive to family life, the provision of a safe and stable environment for the nurture of children and corrupting of public order in general. I'm sure he feels the same way about dressing "slutty" in court. -------------- I wouldn't be bothered reading about the selfish gene because it has never been identified. -- Denyse O'Leary, professional moron Again "how much". I don't think that's a good way to be quantitative.-- gpuccio

Reg Posts: 112 Joined: Dec. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2009,04:16    Quote (CeilingCat @ Oct. 22 2009,23:29) I'm watching Berlinski right now on YouTube here and I notice two things: First, this is part 2 of a four or five part series titled, "The Incorrigible Dr. Berlinski" The Incorrigible Dr Berlinski. It's an accurate description, but not a flattering one; what kind of scientist wants to be incapable of being corrected, or having beliefs which are "necessarily true simply by virtue of being believed"? Kind of smacks of total unwillingness or inability to yield to contrary evidence and argument. -------------- "Even though I am not a creationist by any reasonable definition ... the Cambrian explosion was doubtless the work of God in my view but I would say that of all creation." - Denyse O'Leary, Oct 17, 2009.

BillB Posts: 388 Joined: Aug. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2009,06:31    Remember niwrads thermodynamics thread He cited the biologos foundation as believing that information is beamed to earth from the sun:   Quote 14 niwrad 10/14/2009 9:40 am Doomsday Smith #11, Your claim that no evolutionist considers the Sun as source of biological complexity is contradicted by many examples. For instance read the following recent statement by Biologos Foundation (of Dr. Francis Collins, a major evolutionist scientist):   Quote “With biological evolution however, the system being considered is not the universe, but the Earth. And the Earth is not an isolated system. This means that an increase in order can occur on Earth as long as there is an energy input — most notably the light of the sun. Therefore, energy input from the sun could give rise to the increase in order on Earth INCLUDING COMPLEX MOLECULES AND ORGANISMS.” Your “dead horse” is not so dead after all. and:   Quote 23 niwrad 10/15/2009 2:19 am BillB #14     Quote   Quote “Therefore, energy input from the sun could give rise to the increase in order on Earth INCLUDING COMPLEX MOLECULES AND ORGANISMS.”    This is not a claim that the sun delivers biological complexity, it simply states that mechanisms which can produce biological complexity derive power from the sun. Don’t defend the indefensible. “X gives rise to the increase in order on Y” is fully different from “X powers Y” and the guys at Biologos Foundation know it. I thought it worth chasing up so I e-mailed the Biologos foundation and posted this response:   Quote 86 BillB 10/22/2009 10:57 am niwrad:     Quote  Don’t defend the indefensible. “X gives rise to the increase in order on Y” is fully different from “X powers Y” and the guys at Biologos Foundation know it. I e-mailed the Biologos Foundation about this quote:       Quote With biological evolution however, the system being considered is not the universe, but the Earth. And the Earth is not an isolated system. This means that an increase in order can occur on Earth as long as there is an energy input — most notably the light of the sun. Therefore, energy input from the sun could give rise to the increase in order on Earth INCLUDING COMPLEX MOLECULES AND ORGANISMS. They (after a long delay) replied to say:   Quote   . . . You’re right that nowhere in the Questions’ response were we making a statement about ‘information’ being delivered to Earth via light beams from the sun. We meant only to clarify that the Earth itself is not a closed system, as is often mistakenly assumed in conversations about the 2nd law. I'm surprised that Clive passed it through moderation, I didn't think contradicting evidence was allowed.

Kattarina98 Posts: 1267 Joined: Sep. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2009,07:21    Ms O'Leary must have blown a fuse: In her opening post at UD "Cambrian Explosion Film to Be Shown After all" http://www.uncommondescent.com/cambria....omments she links to her blog http://mindfulhack.blogspot.com/2008....ve.html As if to prove that modernization and secularization are not the same thing, as sociologist Peter Berger maintains, long-deceased cultural icons are "appearing" again. Darwin's face has been discovered in a tree and Turkish secularist Kemal Ataturk's face in a hillside shadow in a remote Turkish village. All the more interesting because Darwin is the icon of North American atheists and Atatürk was a devout secularist. -------------- Barry Arrington is a bitch.

Kattarina98 Posts: 1267 Joined: Sep. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2009,07:22    Forgot the quotation marks - sorry. -------------- Barry Arrington is a bitch.

RDK Posts: 229 Joined: Aug. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2009,10:08    [quote=BillB,Oct. 23 2009,06:31][/quote]     Quote I'm surprised that Clive passed it through moderation, I didn't think contradicting evidence was allowed. Well apparently it was Thirsty Thursday over at the ID community college, so I'm assuming he had had one too many green apple daiquiris before hitting the blog. Our boy Clive is slipping!     Quote In short, the UK MPs in question hope to use colonial power to impose on unwilling Caribbean people of Judaeo-Christian heritage the novelty of so-called same-sex marriage, which is both repugnant to the overwhelming majority of the peoples of the Caribbean and which is credibly destructive to family life, the provision of a safe and stable environment for the nurture of children and corrupting of public order in general. I wonder if the American government has followed up on that tip they got warning of a dangerous individual by the name of Gordon E. Mullings of the Kick-a-Baby Initiative planning on taking a visit to the States...? My guess is that Gordon's staying on the down-low so as not to arouse any suspicion.  I'd probably even bet that the area of the Caribbean he lives in isn't as Judeo-Christian as he fantasizes about, and over there he's looked at as being a moron even more than he is by every sane and decent person who reads his internet drivel.  I can't imagine he's a very pleasant human being in person. Does anybody know what the dominant religion of the Caribbean is? -------------- If you are not: Leviathan please Logout under Meta in the sidebar. ‘‘I was like ‘Oh my God! It’s Jesus on a banana!’’  - Lisa Swinton, Jesus-eating pagan

Lowell Posts: 101 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2009,10:31    Quote (Kattarina98 @ Oct. 23 2009,07:21) Ms O'Leary must have blown a fuse: In her opening post at UD "Cambrian Explosion Film to Be Shown After all" http://www.uncommondescent.com/cambria....omments she links to her blog http://mindfulhack.blogspot.com/2008....ve.html     Quote As if to prove that modernization and secularization are not the same thing, as sociologist Peter Berger maintains, long-deceased cultural icons are "appearing" again. Darwin's face has been discovered in a tree and Turkish secularist Kemal Ataturk's face in a hillside shadow in a remote Turkish village. All the more interesting because Darwin is the icon of North American atheists and Atatürk was a devout secularist. Uggh! That's nonsensical even for O'Leary. Instances of pareidolia in "modernized" parts of the world demonstrate that those places are not "secularized"? I guess so, if "secularized" means devoid of any superstition whatsoever, even in the everyday private lives of the populace. Which it doesn't. From the same post:     Quote We are expected to forever wait for a Darwinian explanation [for the Cambrian "explosion"]. That’s like waiting for the guy dead drunk at the bottom of the stairs to pay his rent. Denyse O'Leary: Queen of Simile. -------------- The resurrection of Jesus Christ is one of the most well documented events of antiquity. Barry Arrington, Jan 17, 2012.

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2009,10:32    Quote (RDK @ Oct. 23 2009,10:08) Does anybody know what the dominant religion of the Caribbean is? Well, without Googling, and just based on Gordo's insane ramblings, I'm guessing Rastafarianism. -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

Lowell Posts: 101 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2009,10:49    Quote (RDK @ Oct. 23 2009,10:08)   Does anybody know what the dominant religion of the Caribbean is? According to the Wikipedia entry on Demographics of Montserrat, the CIA Factbook states:   Quote Religions: Anglican, Methodist, Roman Catholic, Pentecostal, Seventh-Day Adventist, other Christian denominations Considering that the CIA has never been wrong about anything, ever, that should settle the matter. -------------- The resurrection of Jesus Christ is one of the most well documented events of antiquity. Barry Arrington, Jan 17, 2012.

cogzoid Posts: 234 Joined: Sep. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2009,11:09    Quote (RDK @ Oct. 23 2009,10:08) Does anybody know what the dominant religion of the Caribbean is? When I was 15 I went on a church youth group trip to the Bahamas.  We ran a vacation Bible school for a week for our "sister church".  The general consensus was that in the Bahamas 95% of people will call themselves Christian if you ask them their religion.  About 20% actually attend church semi-regularly, and the rest are just paying lip service.  I'm guessing it's similar across the Caribbean.  The locals will call themselves Christian, while performing daily voodoo rituals just in case. My guess is Gordon Mullings of TKI doesn't have many friends outside of church.

dnmlthr Posts: 565 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2009,12:01    Quote (cogzoid @ Oct. 23 2009,17:09) My guess is Gordon Mullings of TKI doesn't have many friends outside of church. Fixed that for you. -------------- Guess what? I don't give a flying f*ck how "science works" - Ftk

dmso74 Posts: 110 Joined: Aug. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2009,12:49    Quote BTW, has anybody seen KairosFocus aks Gordon E. Mullings from Montserrat recently? or jerry, for that matter. i miss his over-the-top jerkish, sarcastic version of TARD and, of course, who can forget the classic arguments 1) all scientists are ID scientists, they just don't know it 2) measure FCSI? if something is functional, complex, specified and has information it's FCSI. what more do you want? go read about transcription and translation, that's FCSI. 3) Michael Behe is right about everything

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2009,12:59    Quote (dmso74 @ Oct. 23 2009,13:49)   Quote BTW, has anybody seen KairosFocus aks Gordon E. Mullings from Montserrat recently? or jerry, for that matter. i miss his over-the-top jerkish, sarcastic version of TARD and, of course, who can forget the classic arguments 1) all scientists are ID scientists, they just don't know it 2) measure FCSI? if something is functional, complex, specified and has information it's FCSI. what more do you want? go read about transcription and translation, that's FCSI. 3) Michael Behe is right about everything StephenB has been missing in action the better part of a week. Maybe they've got another circle jerk going elsewhere we haven't seen. -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2009,13:15    Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Oct. 23 2009,10:59) Quote (dmso74 @ Oct. 23 2009,13:49)   Quote BTW, has anybody seen KairosFocus aks Gordon E. Mullings from Montserrat recently? or jerry, for that matter. i miss his over-the-top jerkish, sarcastic version of TARD and, of course, who can forget the classic arguments 1) all scientists are ID scientists, they just don't know it 2) measure FCSI? if something is functional, complex, specified and has information it's FCSI. what more do you want? go read about transcription and translation, that's FCSI. 3) Michael Behe is right about everything StephenB has been missing in action the better part of a week. Maybe they've got another circle jerk going elsewhere we haven't seen. Maybe they've all been called to join Dr Dr D's legendary Super-Double-Secret ID group - the one that coordinates all the research*. After all, we're talking about UD's intellectual cream of the crop here.  And, sadly, I'm not joking. *"Does it look designed to you?" "Why, yes, Dr Dr D. It does." -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

FrankH Posts: 525 Joined: Feb. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2009,14:26    Quote (Lowell @ Oct. 23 2009,10:49) Quote (RDK @ Oct. 23 2009,10:08) Does anybody know what the dominant religion of the Caribbean is? According to the Wikipedia entry on Demographics of Montserrat, the CIA Factbook states: Quote Religions: Anglican, Methodist, Roman Catholic, Pentecostal, Seventh-Day Adventist, other Christian denominations Considering that the CIA has never been wrong about anything, ever, that should settle the matter. I think the CIA gets many parts right. What is at issue is how those who run the government choose to read what they say. Like the CIA's take on the US is the ever growing gap between the rich and poor. -------------- Marriage is not a lifetime commitment, it's a life sentence!

FrankH Posts: 525 Joined: Feb. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2009,14:28    Quote (Lowell @ Oct. 23 2009,10:31) Quote (Kattarina98 @ Oct. 23 2009,07:21) Ms O'Leary must have blown a fuse: In her opening post at UD "Cambrian Explosion Film to Be Shown After all"http://www.uncommondescent.com/cambria....omments she links to her blog http://mindfulhack.blogspot.com/2008....ve.html Quote As if to prove that modernization and secularization are not the same thing, as sociologist Peter Berger maintains, long-deceased cultural icons are "appearing" again. Darwin's face has been discovered in a tree and Turkish secularist Kemal Ataturk's face in a hillside shadow in a remote Turkish village. All the more interesting because Darwin is the icon of North American atheists and Atatürk was a devout secularist. Uggh! That's nonsensical even for O'Leary. Instances of pareidolia in "modernized" parts of the world demonstrate that those places are not "secularized"? I guess so, if "secularized" means devoid of any superstition whatsoever, even in the everyday private lives of the populace. Which it doesn't. From the same post: Quote We are expected to forever wait for a Darwinian explanation [for the Cambrian "explosion"]. That’s like waiting for the guy dead drunk at the bottom of the stairs to pay his rent. Denyse O'Leary: Queen of Simile. So how many times have you won? -------------- Marriage is not a lifetime commitment, it's a life sentence!

Rrr Posts: 146 Joined: Nov. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2009,15:00    Quote (JohnW @ Oct. 23 2009,13:15) Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Oct. 23 2009,10:59) Quote (dmso74 @ Oct. 23 2009,13:49)     Quote BTW, has anybody seen KairosFocus aks Gordon E. Mullings from Montserrat recently? or jerry, for that matter. i miss his over-the-top jerkish, sarcastic version of TARD and, of course, who can forget the classic arguments 1) all scientists are ID scientists, they just don't know it 2) measure FCSI? if something is functional, complex, specified and has information it's FCSI. what more do you want? go read about transcription and translation, that's FCSI. 3) Michael Behe is right about everything StephenB has been missing in action the better part of a week. Maybe they've got another circle jerk going elsewhere we haven't seen. Maybe they've all been called to join Dr Dr D's legendary Super-Double-Secret ID group - the one that coordinates all the research*. After all, we're talking about UD's intellectual cream of the crop here.  And, sadly, I'm not joking. *"Does it look designed to you?" "Why, yes, Dr Dr D. It does." One parsimonious explanation might be that they all went on teh rapetour. Hey, maybe they did get the date right this time even though they missed out last month. Wonder if the Heddle telescope could get pictures?

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2009,15:18    Quote (Lowell @ Oct. 23 2009,10:49) Considering that the CIA has never been wrong about anything, ever, that should settle the matter. I'm still mildly upset about a certain science journal whose name begins with N who published a letter of mine, where I had used some data from the CIA factbook.  I had added the explanation "data from CIA factbook.  And after all, they should know", but it get deleted.  Boooo! -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

deadman_932 Posts: 3094 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2009,15:38    HAHA. Nature abwhors teh CIA vacqumes -------------- AtBC Award for Thoroughness in the Face of Creationism

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