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1of63



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2009,05:47   

Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ Sep. 17 2009,21:05)
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Is anyone at all even slightly surprised at the course of this "discussion"?

No?

Didn't think so.

Actually I'm surprised.  I set expectations at zero, and FL limbos right under them.

Definitely sigworthy.  With your permission.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2009,05:53   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Sep. 17 2009,18:13)
Is anyone at all even slightly surprised at the course of this "discussion"?

No?

I am shocked, shocked to find dissembling going on in there!

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Quack



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2009,08:23   

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Then Floyd must be a catholic.

More like a holic without the cat.

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2009,10:53   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Sep. 19 2009,06:08)
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Not any more, apparently. Jesus has little or nothing to do with Floyd's version of Christianity. Now it's all about imposing your will on other people. Control, it's all about control. If you can convince people to bend their most natural drives to your will for no apparent rational reason, convincing them to hand you money and power is a minor thing.

Then Floyd must be a catholic.

Baptist, more likely.

anabaptist or old regular?

TO ARMS

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2009,11:38   

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You've said you believe in a global Noahic flood so why don't we talk about they physical evidence for that?

Where did the water come from?
Where did the water go?
What salinity was the water?
How did the saltwater/freshwater sea life survive such a mixing?
How did the Koala get to Australia from where the Ark landed?


Also, where is the distinct layer in the geologic record, worldwide and all at the same age. Loosely analogous to a thin layer of iridium, but should be way mor distinct than that if it existed. (For an allegedly worldwide event, the evidence needs to be worldwide as well; otherwise it's evidence only of something regional or local.)

Henry

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2009,12:27   

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...Baseball defense involves not only catching balls in the air, but also catching ground balls, and throwing, neither of which I saw on the cricket highlight video. Perhaps they are part of cricket as well...

They are a part but not called catches. In cricket a "catch" is specifically preventing the ball from hitting the ground after the batsman has hit it. This puts the batter out. That is Caught out.

Catching the ball on the ground can be referred to as a scoop. If this is followed by a throw which eventually hits the wicket, knocking the bails off while the batsman is outside the crease, the batsman is out. That is run/ran out.

A batsman can also be bowled out. If the bowler hits the batsman's wicket with the ball, knocking the bails off, the batsman is out. If the batsman's leg gets hit by the bowled ball and the umpire thinks that the ball would have hit the wicket if the batsman's leg had not got in the way, the batsman is out. These are bowled out. The former is clean bowled, the latter is bowled out leg before wicket (or LBW).


Thanks for the instruction. You'd think I'd remember some of that, given that I have played a little cricket myself, six years ago, in a strange and wondrous land called New South Wales. We had half a dozen Americans, half a dozen Brits, and half a dozen Aussies. The star player of the bunch turned out to be my wife, much to her surprise. She once bowled out three batsman in succession, and also casually plucked a lined smash out of the air one-handed, as coolly as if she was pulling a book off a shelf in the library.

There is even documented footage of one of these international test matches:



I'm one of the gents in the picture. I'm wearing shorts.

This battle took place near Washpool National Park. You might see some little mounds scattered about the field. Those would be the cow patties. The area had been used to hold cattle a bit before our visit. As you can see, we had only rudimentary equipment for this round. We later purchased a junior cricket set - which I still have in my closet - at a roadside shop. The bat is only half the standard length, but the Brits assured us that that is as big as they get in Australia.

Oh, and, um....... therefore evolution is compatible with cricket.


Edited a few times to get the image right, and correct my writing.

My bolding!    

Now that is F-Kin funny.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2009,08:03   

Heavens to Betsy, this "debate" just blows.

KC

Edited by KCdgw on Sep. 21 2009,08:05

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2009,10:14   

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Heavens to Betsy, this "debate" just blows.

KC

well, to be fair, that's about what you expected, right?

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2009,10:35   

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we've all had a lovely time making nationalist dick jokes. I expected big things.

Well, so did Louis's wife, but she was sadly dis

I'll get me coat.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2009,10:35   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Sep. 21 2009,10:14)
Quote (KCdgw @ Sep. 21 2009,09:03)
Heavens to Betsy, this "debate" just blows.

KC

well, to be fair, that's about what you expected, right?

Oh yes!

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2009,15:20   

My prediction is that FL is going to spend the next two to three dozen comments harping on how his so-called 4 points demonstrate the incompatibility between evolution and Christianity, even though he continues to evade everyone's counter-points, as well as ignoring the fact that the Pope is a walking, talking, benedicting refutation of all four of FL's points.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2009,15:36   

Quote (Stanton @ Sep. 21 2009,13:20)
My prediction is that FL is going to spend the next two to three dozen comments harping on how his so-called 4 points demonstrate the incompatibility between evolution and Christianity, even though he continues to evade everyone's counter-points, as well as ignoring the fact that the Pope is a walking, talking, benedicting refutation of all four of FL's points.

He hasn't had the guts to come out and say so explicitly, but FL seems to think that the Pope puts sugar in his porridge and ice in his whisky, so he doesn't count.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2009,15:42   

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He hasn't had the guts to come out and say so explicitly, but FL seems to think that the Pope puts sugar in his porridge and ice in his whisky, so he doesn't count.

Undoubtedly.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2009,15:52   

The only relevant question: Is FL compatible with Christianity?

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2009,16:12   

FloydLee:

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And of course, I like ID, particularly on the science front.


Okay!

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2009,17:13   

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FloydLee:

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And of course, I like ID, particularly on the science front.


Okay!

Yep, expectations were set at zero, and FL limbos right under them, exactly like the scientific achievements of Intelligent Design for the past 2 decades.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2009,17:14   

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FloydLee:

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And of course, I like ID, particularly on the science front.


Okay!

i mean, ESPECIALLY on the culture war front, but it's purty good on the sientz frons too!!!

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Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2009,17:45   

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FloydLee:

 
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And of course, I like ID, particularly on the science front.


Okay!

i mean, ESPECIALLY on the culture war front, but it's purty good on the sientz frons too!!!

FL is a prime example of why the Big Top Tent strategy is an EPIC FAIL.  Creation Science, ID, what is the difference?  None, since both are apologetics.  The only difference is one group wants to support a specific dogma, and others won't be specific (ironically yammering on about specified information). :D

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2009,20:48   

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The only relevant question: Is FL compatible with Christianity?

I tried to answer that one, briefly (and inadequately) in my last two mocking posts.

It's boring, to be honest. Like Arden's b-f, I find it hard to "get up" for such a sad display. Where's Louis' mum when I need her?

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2009,21:43   

Quote (Stanton @ Sep. 21 2009,16:20)
My prediction is that FL is going to spend the next two to three dozen comments harping on how his so-called 4 points demonstrate the incompatibility between evolution and Christianity, even though he continues to evade everyone's counter-points, as well as ignoring the fact that the Pope is a walking, talking, benedicting refutation of all four of FL's points.

My prediction is that the sky is blue, water is wet, and women have secrets.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2009,22:04   

Evolution need not destroy anyone's faith in God or Jesus, unless you choose to reject those concepts. And rejecting them is not dependent on what you read in any book, see in any movie, or hear from any person. But when you are told repeatedly that the only true form of Christianity is that which denies evolution, you can end up with a shallow faith that is really without foundation. If you recognize that the Bible is indeed just a man-made book, then you can look at the REAL Word of God that has always been out there: the universe itself. And it is SCIENCE that is the tool to study that. We can then establish our theology and other religious concepts based on what science tells us. Not what the Bible says. There is nothing in science that denies the existence of God or denies that Jesus was sent by God to establish Christianity. But if the Bible says that man was created out of dust instead of being evolved from earlier animals, or that the Earth is 6000 years old, then it is wrong. And we cannot base our theology on what is wrong.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2009,22:18   

It seems likely that most of the molecules in our bodies were present in dust in the past, so "made from dust" doesn't necessarily conflict with evolved from ancestral species.

Henry

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2009,08:12   

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It seems likely that most of the molecules in our bodies were present in dust in the past, so "made from dust" doesn't necessarily conflict with evolved from ancestral species.

Henry

I always liked how Carl Sagan put it.  We're made of "star stuff".

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2009,12:11   

Stanton, in the debate thread:
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Neither one (Pope Benedict, Francis Collins) has come up with any solution for the Big Five Incompatibillities.   Simply not able to, so far.
 
Anybody able to refute this particular statement?

So, in other words, you're claiming that you know Christianity better than the Pope?

Why haven't you excommunicated the Pope yet, then?

I think it's apparent to all of us now that FloydLee knows Christianity better than anyone.  We're all going to hell except Floyd and Jesus, and he's a bit unsure about Jesus.

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Stanton



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2009,12:22   

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I think it's apparent to all of us now that FloydLee knows Christianity better than anyone.  We're all going to hell except Floyd and Jesus, and he's a bit unsure about Jesus.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2009,14:19   

At least it's a little more fun, now that some o' that old-timey crazy is coming out.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2009,17:26   

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 Like Arden's b-f, I find it hard to "get up" for such a sad display. Where's Louis' mum when I need her?

Her and your mom are both, uh... busy right now. I'll send them over when we're done.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2009,17:38   

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At least it's a little more fun, now that some o' that old-timey crazy is coming out.

Yes, especially since FL thinks that carnivores, old age and parasites are terrible, evil and cruel, but divinely mandated genocide, murder and child rape are perfectly acceptable.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2009,18:05   

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Yes, especially since FL thinks that carnivores, old age and parasites are terrible, evil and cruel, but divinely mandated genocide, murder and child rape are perfectly acceptable.

And not believing in Jesus means you have no moral compass and are capable of the worst atrocities (e.g., genocide, murder and child rape).

Did I guess right?

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 22 2009,19:47   

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It seems likely that most of the molecules in our bodies were present in dust in the past, so "made from dust" doesn't necessarily conflict with evolved from ancestral species.

Henry

I always liked how Carl Sagan put it.  We're made of "star stuff".

LOL THIS IZ U*

* Technically not you, but I have it on good authority this is what Arden and Louis' mum looked like 4.5 billion years ago.**

** did I do that right ?

  
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