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Posted: Nov. 02 2006,00:21

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Let’s Talk About Sex
October 31st, 2006
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The church’s silence has not only affected sex before marriage – it has found its way into the bedroom. Christian divorce rates are no different than non-Christian ones. In many instances, Christians surpass the lost in rates of divorce.
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What bugs me the most is outlined above. The black and white (sorry GoP, in terms of shades of grey in this case); holier than thou; Us vs. Them; I'm Right, Your Wrong; attitude about life in general.

Joel assumes the reasons for divorce to "the lost" will be different than the reasons for divorce for "the gifted" (or whatever he wants to call his cabel).

What was even more interesting was that the first reason he gave for believers getting divorced at greater rates was that "the couple was not truly save." Basically the No True Scotsman fallacy.

What I found puzzling was the reference in the first sentence of the second paragraph to "improper uses of sex." I haven't quite figured that out yet.

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Posted: Nov. 02 2006,02:36

Quote (joel the hoohoo boy @ Oct. 31 2006,Satan's Day,4:48 pm,7 hours 12 minutes before the evil hour)

The church’s silence has not only affected sex before marriage – it has found its way into the bedroom.

Yes, Christians are getting divorced because the church hasn't butted into the bedroom enough yet. Our pastors have not done enough to tell us how we should and should not have sex. There should be more intervention in the bedroom from the man behind the pulpit. In fact, once I'm the preacher, I'll make visits to all your bedrooms and give you a little hands-on instruction. Truly, by allowing me to demonstrate the proper techniques on your wife's hoohoo, you'll be saving your marriage.

No, really!

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Posted: Nov. 02 2006,02:53

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In fact, once I'm the preacher, I'll make visits to all your bedrooms and give you a little hands-on instruction. Truly, by allowing me to demonstrate the proper techniques on your wife's hoohoo, you'll be saving your marriage.

Bring Janie and Kate, Lou.

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Posted: Nov. 02 2006,03:09

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Bring Janie and Kate, Lou.

Wouldn't dream of showing up without my ~~lovely assistants~~ deacons.

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Posted: Nov. 02 2006,03:21

You might call this an "open letter to Sal"

http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/1752#more-1752

88888888888888888888888888888888888888888

This is an all-star cast.
The ID movement is incredibly exciting. As the 21st century begins to unfold, it is becoming increasingly obvious that materialistic reductionism is hopelessly doomed as an explanation for all that we observe. Physical reality is just a medium — a medium in which information, design and mind are expressing themselves.
This will be the great scientific discovery of our age.
Comment by GilDodgen — November 2, 2006 @ 1:40 am
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4. crandaddy // Nov 2nd 2006 at 2:12 am
Why are these conferences always either on the West Coast or the East Coast? What about those of us in the middle?
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Sal, I hope you have a great time meeting all these great men. Sorry, but I won't be there.

It took the Intelligent Designer 70 weeks to empliment and finish his plans and yall are gonna

do it in 3 days?

Jhn 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold:
them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be
one fold, [and] one shepherd
Zero.
ps: Notice I didn't mention G-D in my whole post.

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Posted: Nov. 02 2006,06:32

Question.

Joe G has started a new thread "Alternatives to Common Descent" over at his blog, ironically titled Intelligent Reasoning. He starts out with a strawman (made of used straw at that).

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And finally that evidence for Common Descent relies heavily, if not solely, one the similarities observed but says nothing about the differences, except to note they exist.

His suggested explanations for biological diversity includes this gem.

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Colonization by an existing and perhaps dying civilization- including various modes of terra-forming.

I have no illusion about convincing the inconvincible, and Joe G has not shown himself capable of learning or even carrying on an extended discussion. In such a situation, I only post when a blogger has some possibility of misleading others. Is Joe G so far off the deep-end as to exert no influence on others?

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Posted: Nov. 02 2006,07:09

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The Design of Life: Release Date & Chapter 1

Overwhelmingevidence.com has some exciting news! The Design of Life release date has been announced for March 1st, 2007. Written by William Dembski and Jonathan Wells, this book is poised to become the authoritive textbook on the theory of intelligent design.

According to the book's preface, The Design of Life aims to present intelligent design as a comprehensive intellectual program for reconceptualizing biology.

In anticipation of the book's release date, Chapter 1 of The Design of Life is currently available for free download from the Overwhelming Evidence website. Chapter 1 is a discussion of human origins.

Download the Chapter 1 PDF Now!

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Posted: Nov. 02 2006,07:18

DaveScot:

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If intelligent agency isn’t a mechanism then what is it?

Maybe he should ask Dembski.

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Posted: Nov. 02 2006,07:27

That Design of Life chapter 1 is a horrible 23-page pile of tard. I'm going to open a new thread about it.

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Posted: Nov. 02 2006,07:29

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The Design of Life release date has been announced for March 1st, 2007. Written by William Dembski and Jonathan Wells, this book is poised to become the authoritive textbook on the theory of intelligent design.

Any word on when they'll come up with the actual theory itself?

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Posted: Nov. 02 2006,08:01

Edit: Moved to New Thread

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Posted: Nov. 02 2006,08:38

Zachriel, I moved your post to a JAD thread.

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Posted: Nov. 02 2006,12:31

From their moronic, DaveTard initiated (natch) thread on how how global warming is a big hoax, cooked up by scientists greedy for grant money, todd writes:

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Why also the concern over extinction? Especially from a darwinian perspective!? Extinctions are required for the ongoing march of evolution and have happened whether we are here or not. If ‘Nature’ produced us, then we are part of nature and anything we produce is also natural. We are all agents of chance, donchaknow, we should do all we can to prove darwin right and force a little environmental selection

Yep, there's that old "is" versus "ought" confusion. You'd think it was simple enough, but they seem to miss it again and again. Let's try one more time....

The fact that a law of nature exists (i.e, says that some state of affairs is the case in the universe) does not constrain me morally to act in any particular way (though there may, of course, be physical constraints upon me). Newton tells me that babies will accelerate at 32 ft s^{-2} in the Earth's gravitational field, but that doesn't mean I am constrained, or motivated in any way to drop them off the Sears Tower. To do so would be morally repugnant; but, at the same time, I can't deny that they will actually fall in just that way.

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Posted: Nov. 02 2006,16:49

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Censorship by Google?: In the Western world too?
by O'Leary on November 2nd, 2006 · 2 Comments
Web guy Micah Sparacio permits me to publicize this problem at the Post-Darwinist, so I thought I would mention it here too, for the benefit of our blog readers and commenters:

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On approximately the 19th of September, the blog operated by Bill Dembski and friends Uncommon Descent

was delisted from the Google search index.

No reason has ever been given for why the site was delisted, despite requests for reinclusion.

This blog has tens of thousands of legitimate links, especially from trusted institutions of higher education.

This blog had been around for well over a year.

This blog has a Google PageRank of 6/10 (meaning it is considered quite important, even by Google)

The blog is run by a nationally recognized scholar and author [Dembski]

Well, over to you, Google monster. I’ve heard that the problem might have been caused by some idle fellow who swatches copy from Uncommon Descent, so that he and his friends can fool around with it. But if that kind of thing has tied up Google, then Google has some glitches to fix.

Meanwhile, I will try to link to Uncommon Descent as much as possible from the Post-Darwinist.

Filed Under: Intelligent Design

Hey Denyse, you're new over there, so let me fill you in. You know your friend Davetard, the guy who called you a transsexual lesbian hermaphrodite, or whatever it was? That guy who referred to you as "it"? Well, he and Peter Lorre--sorry I mean William Dembski, they have a bad habit of trying to delete comments and threads when we start laughing about an unusually boneheaded mistake or self-contradiction they just committed. That's why we set up the mirror, so we could go get things after your side has tried to airbrush the past. And by the way, we've used it a lot. Anyway, if you wanna blame Wesley for Google, you need to blame OverwhelmingEvidence, which also repeats your crappy content. I know, because I recently used it to find an embarrassing thread which your people deleted from the UD page. You guys are the Keystone Kops.

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Posted: Nov. 02 2006,16:58

Denyse is crying persecution by Google…

http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/1759

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On approximately the 19th of September, the blog operated by Bill
Dembski and friends Uncommon Descent
was delisted from the Google search index.

No reason has ever been given for why the site was delisted, despite requests for reinclusion.

This blog has tens of thousands of legitimate links, especially from trusted institutions of higher education.

This blog had been around for well over a year.

This blog has a Google PageRank of 6/10 (meaning it is considered quite important, even by Google)

The blog is run by a nationally recognized scholar and author [Dembski]

Unlike most things you guys discuss here, this is one I have some experience in. My expertise is in search engine marketing and I do this every day for my various web sites.

It is difficult to get “delisted” from Google without doing something to try to “trick” Google into giving you a higher listing than you deserve. Google lists hundreds of thousands of “trash” sites, so the idea that Google has an axe to grind with UD is worse than silly.

My best guess is Dembski tried some tactic he learned somewhere else to try to trick Google and got caught.

I guess it will probably help their fundraising efforts if they claim persecution by the big, bad Google monster.

Edit: You DON'T get delisted for duplicate content--which seems to be the peg UD is hanging its hat on.

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Posted: Nov. 02 2006,17:07

Why Scary, it's almost like you're suggesting that A Reader From Waco, Texas, might have done something unethical to promote himself, and then blamed evolutionists for the fallout. Perish the thought.

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Posted: Nov. 02 2006,17:12

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Why Scary, it's almost like you're suggesting that A Reader From Waco, Texas, might have done something unethical to promote himself, and then blamed evolutionists for the fallout. Perish the thought.

I have suspected as much since I first heard they were delisted, but when I read the stuff someone (you?) posted about the "reader from waco" I had little doubt.

The level of ignorance about how Google or search marketing in general works at UD surprises me--it's not that complicated, and most successful bloggers I know have this stuff down. With a PR of 6 UD could dominate a bunch of search terms if they chose to go about it the right way.

Of course if one sees himself as above instruction from others....

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Posted: Nov. 02 2006,18:28

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You know, maybe I've been too hard on Joel. Maybe he's not obsessed with hoo-hoos and twigs and berries.

I wonder what Joel makes of this:
Top Evangelist Rev. Ted Haggard Resigns Amid Allegations of Gay Affair

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Posted: Nov. 02 2006,18:32

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Why also the concern over extinction?

biodiversity must be an imaginary term for them.

http://www.yubanet.com/artman/publish/article_44961.shtml

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Posted: Nov. 02 2006,18:46

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Why also the concern over extinction?

biodiversity must be an imaginary term for them.

http://www.yubanet.com/artman/publish/article_44961.shtml

It's more of the same, like 'If atheists/scientists/materialists love Darwin so much then why don't they go around executing the weak?" kind of garbage.

You know, maybe the Google guys delisted UD because they're ID supporters, and they didn't want potential converts seeing what a stinking pile of garbage UD is.

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Posted: Nov. 02 2006,19:20

there's only one logical explanation for why UD is delisted, they just don't want to admit it.

they (most likely Dave "I'm such an uber engineer with a genius IQ" Tard) did a no-no that violated google search engine rules, and did it more than once (as you ALWAYS get a warning the first time).

if they want a witchhunt, they should start closer to home.

In fact, it was probably intentional action on the Springerbot's part after being jilted by Dembski in favor of Densye. I guess he never figured WD40 would welcome him back into a menage-a-trois.

oops.

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Posted: Nov. 03 2006,02:04

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Hey Denyse, you're new over there, so let me fill you in. You know your friend Davetard, the guy who called you a transsexual lesbian hermaphrodite, or whatever it was? That guy who referred to you as "it"?

Do you mean when he called her "MorphoDyke" like here, or just when he called her a "Canadian Cross-Dresser" like here?

(In all fairness, though, it was Janie who originally hung that appellation around O'Leary's neck Right here. Dave is just a bandwagon MorphoDyker.)

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Posted: Nov. 03 2006,02:26

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If atheists/scientists/materialists love Darwin so much then why don't they go around executing the weak?

With all the time spent wrecking the careers of IDists and preventing them from doing any ID research (or even submitting any proposals for doing so), where would Darwinists find the time to also execute the weak? There are only so many days in the materialist week.

And if non-atheists love the weak so much, why do they revere a god who visits so much pain, misery and degradation on the weak?

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Posted: Nov. 03 2006,02:30

http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/1758

College ID book now, eh? Lets see what kind of brilliant stuff will be taught at the college level.

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THREE KEY DEFINITIONS
Intelligent Design. The study of patterns in nature that
are best explained as the product of intelligence.

Intelligence. Any cause, agent, or process that achieves an
end or goal by employing suitable means or instruments.

Design. An event, object, or structure that an intelligence
brought about by matching means to ends.

So if design is by definition only brought about by intelligence, why do they need to specify intelligent design?

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7. kairos // Nov 3rd 2006 at 7:02 am

The Design of Life …this book is poised to become the authoritive textbook on the theory of intelligent design.

I find very important that the book be pre-released for review on Internet. First, this will allow minor errors to be fixed through woldwide checking (probably also by NDEers …). Second, and most important this could give the book a huge diffusion provided that also the final release could be freely available. I agree that “the labourer is worthy of his hire” but the experience in such fields as computer science tells us that even more hardcopies are actually sold for more and more people like to buy a copy.

Comment by kairos — November 3, 2006 @ 7:02 am

Yeah get as many versions as you guys can out there, so that when the next trial comes around we can again show how some words were changed to mask the fact that your new "theory" is just ID in a cheap tuxedo, which is just Creation Science in a cheap tuxedo.

Note: Putting more tuxedos on does not make you look any better.

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6. JGuy // Nov 3rd 2006 at 6:02 am

Sal,
You’re correct. They did mix the names up.

But hey, let’s get back on tangent

… how different are the DNA between man and woman? Could it be factually argued that the difference is greater between man and woman, than it is between man and chimp?

Comment by JGuy — November 3, 2006 @ 6:02 am

What!? I didn't come from no ~~monkey~~ woman!

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Posted: Nov. 03 2006,02:33

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Dave is just a bandwagon MorphoDyker

One of my fondest ID/Evolution-related pleasures is imagining the disgust in D'Tard's soul when he reflects on all the times he pleasured himself while fantasizing various arrangements with ~~Janie and Kate~~ Lou FCD.

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Posted: Nov. 03 2006,04:17

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Dave is just a bandwagon MorphoDyker

One of my fondest ID/Evolution-related pleasures is imagining the disgust in D'Tard's soul when he reflects on all the times he pleasured himself while fantasizing various arrangements with ~~Janie and Kate~~ Lou FCD.

Speaking for all three of us, we're always happy to spread the pleasure around.

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Posted: Nov. 03 2006,04:56

Someone (steve?) may want to archive this thread before it's disappeared.

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More antics from PZ Myers?
by scordova on November 3rd, 2006 · 9 Comments

You be the judge. Here is what professor Tim McGrew had to say:

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Let me put that more bluntly: Myers is lying through his teeth. Literally. He is actually that dishonest.

And not a single commentator on Panda’s Thumb for the past two months could be bothered to check Myers’s quotation against Wells’s actual words to see whether Myers was telling the truth.

This can be found in the comment section of My Denver Post Review of Two New Books on Darwinism and Intelligent Design by Douglas Groothuis.

Of course, we find the truth is... somewhat less fantastic. The quote Myers attributed to Wells was completely accurate.

EDIT: The comment (by Franky172) pointing out Myers's response has been deleted. BWAHAHAHAHA!

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Posted: Nov. 03 2006,05:06

I just left this comment at UD:

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McGrew and Cordova are both wrong about this; the quote is accurate and right where Myers said it is. Have a look here

I bet it doesn't see the light of day.

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Posted: Nov. 03 2006,05:10

Now there's a new post at UD, asking Sal why he deleted the one with the link to PZ's post:

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10. HodorH // Nov 3rd 2006 at 11:06 am

Sal, why was the comment linking to Myers’s response deleted? It seems the best way to get to the truth of the matter would be to get all the information. If links to foul-mouthed christian haters are not allowed no matter what the situation, I think it would at least be appropriate to note that the accusation that Myers “changed Wells’s wording” isn’t exactly accurate.

Comment by HodorH — November 3, 2006 @ 11:06 am

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