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JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 26 2012,13:59    Quote (Raevmo @ June 26 2012,11:16) Hmm, I have my doubts it's Joe. No "there isn't any evidence", no "nature operating freely". Maybe he added those mighty rhetorical weapons to his arsenal later on, but still. I don't think it's Joe either.  Not enough bottoms. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

REC Posts: 638 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 27 2012,22:26    Episode 3100 of Joe says anything- "Wrong, as usual. ID is not against universal common descent" A few comments later: "Only people who want to be related to chimps buy the evidence that we share a common ancestor with them."

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 27 2012,22:36    I'm pretty sure "Ark Guy" was one of the many pseudonyms ("KC", "trilobite") of YEC Karl Crawford.  He was another idiot's idiot, certainly on a par with Joe G. in terms on sheer ignorance and stupidity. Karl was the guy who argued that woodpeckers couldn't evolve because the first one would knock himself out before he could breed. He also gave us the classic Creto Lenny Lego argument. Crawford disappeared form the C/E scene a few years back.  Bet is that natural selection finally caught up with him. -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 28 2012,05:40    Joe, Dembski now admits that the designer in "No Free Lunch" was god. Quote My presentation was titled "An Information-Theoretic Proof of God's Existence," in which I showed how the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes, so that if we backtrack this information in time, the amount of information that needs to be accounted for only intensifies. This leads to a regress of information that naturally points to some ultimate source of information. Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? From a naturalistic perspective, such a source remains a mystery. But from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God. I made this argument in a Festschrift volume for Norman Geisler (published with IVP in 2003) and it is implicit in my book No Free Lunch (2001). Still think that ID is not religious? -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 01 2012,21:27    http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2012.......ng.html -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: July 01 2012,21:38    Quote (Richardthughes @ July 01 2012,21:27) http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2012.......ng.html Do you think it's become such an ingrained habit that he is now actually physically unable to support any statement he makes? -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 01 2012,23:08    Joe + Google = Research! http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2012....os.html -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

The whole truth Posts: 1554 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: July 02 2012,04:03    Quote (Richardthughes @ July 01 2012,21:08) Joe + Google = Research! http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2012.......os.html Both of those threads are hilarious, and I really laughed MAO at "salad-dodger". -------------- Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

The whole truth Posts: 1554 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: July 02 2012,04:47    Quote (OgreMkV @ July 01 2012,19:38) Quote (Richardthughes @ July 01 2012,21:27) http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2012.......ng.html Do you think it's become such an ingrained habit that he is now actually physically unable to support any statement he makes? joey obviously prefers fantasy over reality. He eagerly swallows the craziest word of mouth and hearsay without question if it feeds his delusions, but he ignores or condemns actual evidence that challenges or defeats his fairy tale beliefs. To him, as with the other IDiots and their ilk, authority is all that matters and he believes that he and his delusional ilk are THE authorities. No other support for his claims is necessary to a self-proclaimed know-it-all like joey. joey either likely or surely believes that Bigfoot and the Abominable Snowman are real, along with Nessie, crop circles, leprechauns, ghosts, demons, angels, witches, warlocks, magic spells, voodoo, jesus riding dinosaurs, noah riding dinosaurs, dinosaurs on the so-called ark, dinosaurs still living in a jungle somewhere, the shroud of turin, lots of other so-called miracles, heaven, hell, eternal life, a talking snake, a dead guy now named jesus walking around for awhile and then magically rising to heaven or wherever he allegedly went, fire breathing dragons, 72 virgins waiting for him in muslim heaven, alien abductions, aliens living among us, aliens replacing us, aliens building Stonehenge and pyramids, etc., and most or all of the other goofy beliefs that anyone has ever conjured up. He probably does believe that unicorns are real, and that they're just shy and are hiding with the dinosaurs or Bigfoot. Hey joey, since you're reading this, why don't you honestly list all the things that you believe are real from what I mentioned above and add anything that I left out? You're not afraid to, are you? -------------- Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: July 02 2012,09:31    You guys must be really tormenting Joe.  He's run back to my blog. Apparently Wordpress reset the spam filters, he got one through.  He didn't curse at me, so I replied and then reset it. JoeG, you are welcome to comment here.  But you're still an idiot. BTW: Apparently JoeG believes that eating healthy will prevent you from breaking bones or being in a car accident.  At least, that's the only thing that I can get from his rather curious comment. Here's a link: http://ogremk5.wordpress.com/2012....-rights -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 02 2012,09:58    I fail to see how Nessie would be evidence against evolution even if real and found. It would simply be a species that hadn't been discovered previously, wouldn't it? (Or possibly one that was thought to be extinct?)

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: July 02 2012,10:09    Quote (Henry J @ July 02 2012,09:58) I fail to see how Nessie would be evidence against evolution even if real and found. It would simply be a species that hadn't been discovered previously, wouldn't it? (Or possibly one that was thought to be extinct?) Only if it was provable that it was a purely Earth organism AND totally unrelated by DNA to any other extant or extinct species. But then, that wouldn't really prove anything, just that we would have found something that isn't explained by our current knowledge,. -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 02 2012,10:29    Quote Yup ole Oleg is at it again, this time he thinks that just because the "inventors" of genetic algorithms called them genetic algorithms that means they are GENETIC algorithms. What should they be called then Joe? When you invent something, let me know. ROFL! Edited by oldmanintheskydidntdoit on July 02 2012,10:29 -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Kattarina98 Posts: 1267 Joined: Sep. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: July 02 2012,10:53    Oh noes - someone has hijacked Joe's blog!111! The real Joe knows that genetic algorithms are God's the Designer's instruments which reside inside  outside wherever ... anyway somewhere around the cell and guide mutations development whatever; he said so over at The Skeptical Zone. -------------- Barry Arrington is a bitch.

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 02 2012,11:12    Behold, his full knowledge!!!11111one http://theskepticalzone.com/wp....cpage=8 -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 02 2012,11:39    Some of the choice stuff: Quote Name ONE GA expert here- besides me (yes I have used and written them) Quote I wrote GAs. I debugged GAs and I have used GAs- and thortard is still a lying piece-of-shit. Quote YOU are unable to learn you stupid fucking jerk. YOU have never written or used a GA in your sad, pathetic life, and it shows, Quote OK where do you live? Quote Look at it this way- Star Trek: Next generation- Lt Data was able to rewire his neuro networks due to the algorithms INSIDE OF HIM -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: July 02 2012,12:22    Quote (Richardthughes @ July 02 2012,11:39) Some of the choice stuff: Quote Name ONE GA expert here- besides me (yes I have used and written them) Quote I wrote GAs. I debugged GAs and I have used GAs- and thortard is still a lying piece-of-shit. Quote YOU are unable to learn you stupid fucking jerk. YOU have never written or used a GA in your sad, pathetic life, and it shows, Quote OK where do you live? Quote Look at it this way- Star Trek: Next generation- Lt Data was able to rewire his neuro networks due to the algorithms INSIDE OF HIM Because we all know that Star Trek is the ultimate in scientific evidence. Or maybe, the WRITERS of the stupid script decided that they needed Data to do something stupid. -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

Kattarina98 Posts: 1267 Joined: Sep. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: July 02 2012,12:43    What do you mean, "script"? Star Trek is a documentary. Just wait until they show the episode when the aliens build Stonehenge. ETA From the UFO thread: Quote And next what about some advanced civilization living here? ie not from another star, well maybe long ago but here to stay? Apparently his parents never told him about the birds and the bees; this from the guy who posted a NSFW link. Quote What is the empirically confirmed process by which ‘common descent’ produces organs and nerves and knits them into a living thing? TARD Edited by Kattarina98 on July 02 2012,13:50 -------------- Barry Arrington is a bitch.

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 02 2012,13:52    Quote (Kattarina98 @ July 02 2012,10:43) What do you mean, "script"? Star Trek is a documentary. Just wait until they show the episode when the aliens build Stonehenge. ETA From the UFO thread: Quote And next what about some advanced civilization living here? ie not from another star, well maybe long ago but here to stay? Apparently his parents never told him about the birds and the bees; this from the guy who posted a NSFW link. Quote What is the empirically confirmed process by which ‘common descent’ produces organs and nerves and knits them into a living thing? TARD I thought intelligent dinosaurs built Stonehenge. -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: July 02 2012,14:59    Quote (fnxtr @ July 02 2012,13:52) Quote (Kattarina98 @ July 02 2012,10:43) What do you mean, "script"? Star Trek is a documentary. Just wait until they show the episode when the aliens build Stonehenge. ETA From the UFO thread:   Quote And next what about some advanced civilization living here? ie not from another star, well maybe long ago but here to stay? Apparently his parents never told him about the birds and the bees; this from the guy who posted a NSFW link.   Quote What is the empirically confirmed process by which ‘common descent’ produces organs and nerves and knits them into a living thing? TARD I thought intelligent dinosaurs built Stonehenge. That was the other documentary... I think the channel was "The Cartoon Network" There was an 8 legged rhinocerous that shot exploding rocks from his horn.  The dragon that flew and shot lasers from his eyes.  Then there were the two blobs and the giant gorilla made of rock. Yeah, I remember that documentary.  Very informative. -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

Kattarina98 Posts: 1267 Joined: Sep. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: July 02 2012,15:30    That's what inspired Joe's blog post about GA - read the whole hysterically funny thread over at Cornelius Hunter starting from here. A tidbit: Quote But yes the GAs that run us are inside of us. What is the alternative that all our functions "just happen" once we get the right chemicals together? Good luck testing that... Pity that lots of comments got deleted by the administrator. -------------- Barry Arrington is a bitch.

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 02 2012,16:51    Quote (OgreMkV @ July 02 2012,12:59)   Quote (fnxtr @ July 02 2012,13:52)   Quote (Kattarina98 @ July 02 2012,10:43) What do you mean, "script"? Star Trek is a documentary. Just wait until they show the episode when the aliens build Stonehenge. ETA From the UFO thread:     Quote And next what about some advanced civilization living here? ie not from another star, well maybe long ago but here to stay? Apparently his parents never told him about the birds and the bees; this from the guy who posted a NSFW link.     Quote What is the empirically confirmed process by which ‘common descent’ produces organs and nerves and knits them into a living thing? TARD I thought intelligent dinosaurs built Stonehenge. That was the other documentary... I think the channel was "The Cartoon Network" There was an 8 legged rhinocerous that shot exploding rocks from his horn.  The dragon that flew and shot lasers from his eyes.  Then there were the two blobs and the giant gorilla made of rock. Yeah, I remember that documentary.  Very informative. Herculoids are go! -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 02 2012,17:20    I think I made him cry: Quote And Joe shows his 'expertise': "because as I told oleg the ignorant, only organisms have genomes." Meanwhile, in reality: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki....orithm) "In genetic algorithms, a chromosome (also sometimes called a genome)...." YOU'RE A BIG FAT MULTI-CHINNED IDIOT, MAKING IT UP. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

The whole truth Posts: 1554 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: July 03 2012,02:11    Quote (Richardthughes @ July 02 2012,15:20) I think I made him cry: Quote And Joe shows his 'expertise': "because as I told oleg the ignorant, only organisms have genomes." Meanwhile, in reality: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki.......orithm) "In genetic algorithms, a chromosome (also sometimes called a genome)...." YOU'RE A BIG FAT MULTI-CHINNED IDIOT, MAKING IT UP. joey is also crying about being moderated at Ogre's site, even though joey moderates every comment that is submitted to his pathetic blog, and he won't allow many of them. joey's insanity appears to be getting worse (if that's possible) and his assertions about UFO's are just plain hilarious. I'm hoping that he will bring up ghosts and Bigfoot pretty soon. I must say that your back and forth with joey on his blog really cracks my up. It never ceases to amaze me that joey is such a stupid, obstinate, arrogant, deluded, ignorant, yellow bellied, lily livered, sniveling coward, yet he thinks that he's smart and courageous. He lives in a dream world, about himself and a lot of other things. Hey joey, what's stopping you from posting here? No guts? Come on joey, show me some evidence of aliens, ghosts, dinosaurs on the ark, and some other sciency stuff. Hey, maybe you can get Lt. Data to help you gather and present the evidence, and maybe he will demonstrate his GA for everyone here too. I'm sure we would all find that to be informative and entertaining. And while you're at it, you could describe in detail all the things that aliens did to you each time they have abducted and probed you. Hmm, I was just thinking joey, maybe YOU are an alien, from the planet Crybaby-Dumbfuck in the Tard Solar System, and the Shit For Brains Galaxy. Yeah, that would explain a lot. -------------- Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

The whole truth Posts: 1554 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: July 03 2012,02:45    Hey joey, I have some more questions for you. Does Lt. Data have a genome? Is he a living organism? Does he have a genetic algorithm? Is his neural network biological or artificial? Can he reproduce? If so, sexually, or in some other way? Is he real or fictional? ETA: joey, you posted a link on your blawg to what you consider credible evidence for UFOs from other planets, and when Rich pressed you for more specific credible evidence, and the best eye witness evidence for UFOs, you kept telling him to click on your link. I clicked on your link and Google shows 187,000 results for "credible evidence for ufos". Then I did a Google search for "unicorns" and there are 18,200,000 results, and I'd be willing to bet that there are a lot of alleged eye witnesses and that there are lots of claims of credible evidence for unicorns somewhere in all those results. I guess that must mean that unicorns are real, eh joey? Your link to "the bible and ufos" shows 3,040,000 results. That's also a lot less than the unicorn results, and you're obviously afraid to specify some sites that you think support your claims. You must think that just the number of results at the end of your links is credible evidence for your claims. Well joey, if that's what you think then dig this: I did a Google search with the word "evolution" and there are 656,000,000 results. So, that's: 656,000,000 for evolution 18,200,000 for unicorns 3,040,000 for the bible and ufos 187,000 for credible evidence for ufos You can't even win on numbers, joey, let alone on actual evidence. You're just a loser all around. Poor baby. Edited by The whole truth on July 03 2012,01:41 -------------- Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

The whole truth Posts: 1554 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: July 03 2012,04:08    joey, here is a site from the first page of the results from your link to "the bible and ufos". Do you think that site provides credible evidence of the bible mentioning UFOs? Do you agree with what all is said on that site? If you don't agree with all of it, please specify which parts you do agree with. And how about these sites, also from the first page of results? Do you agree with them? http://http/....ttp........ttp http://http/....ttp........ttp Edited by The whole truth on July 03 2012,02:11 -------------- Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

Occam's Toothbrush Posts: 555 Joined: April 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 03 2012,07:25    We all believe in UFOs.  Are there objects?  Yes.  Do some of them fly?  Yes.  Are some people unable to identify some of the objects which fly?  Yes.  Those are Unidentified Flying Objects, eh? The mental defect is in thinking that being unable to identify a given flying object means one is justified in inventing explanations based on imagination, bad movies and stuff said by other idiots who "believe" things instead of applying useful means of verifying hypotheses.  This is where conspiracy theorists fail.  I don't think the JFK assassination is adequately explained by LHO acting completely alone.  But even if I were 100% sure of this, it wouldn't justify me inventing ridiculous scenarios which do explain the assassination but aren't supported by actual evidence.  It's the same fallacy as ~Evolution, therefore Jesus. Of course, Joe has a plethora of mental defects--the foremost being that he believes that he has none. -------------- "Molecular stuff seems to me not to be biology as much as it is a more atomic element of life" --Creo nut Robert Byers ------ "You need your arrogant ass kicked, and I would LOVE to be the guy who does it. Where do you live?" --Anger Management Problem Concern Troll "Kris"

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: July 03 2012,07:51    Poor JoeG.  He's all hurt and pouty that he can't post at my blog anymore.  He's putting out another attack blog on me. Hey Joe, here's a hint.  Sending all us smart people to the moon isn't a threat.  I think the majority of us would happily leave this planet to you and your ilk and take our chances in a rational society. As to the rest, you actually have a point.  Prevention does help a lot.  However, as I said, prevention CANNOT help against the things that cause the majority of major medical bills.  Car accidents for example.  Major cancer.  etc. etc.  Those are the things that produce major bills.  Heck, I know of one story of a guy who had to file bankruptcy because of an appendicitis bill.  He just went to the wrong hospital... i.e. the one that wasn't on his insurance plan. Yes, eating healthy and exercise would help a lot of the US population with their problems.  Of course, thinking critically and ignoring Dr. Oz would help a lot more with their 'medical' concerns.   The point is that our healthcare system is so fracked up that even with insurance, people can't afford to get the medical help that they need. If you would actually like to discuss any of these points, then you are welcome to... here.  Where the mods allow (most of) your crap.  I don't have to allow it on my blog and I don't. When you can behave like an adult, then you will be welcome back to my blog.  You continue to act like a 3-year-old, then you can stay pouting on your own blog. -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

The whole truth Posts: 1554 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: July 03 2012,08:51    joey must think that things like bee stings, snake bites, spider bites, bicycle crashes, dog bites, slipping in the bathtub, falling off roofs and ladders, burns and cuts in the kitchen, smashed thumbs from hammers, all genetic and infectious diseases and disabilities, old age, being a victim of assault and battery/rape/a hit and run driver/drive by shootings, nearly drowning, all the accidents/injuries that kids have, Lyme disease from tick bites, parasites, and everything else that can harm or even kill a person can be prevented by eating healthy, so no medical insurance or treatment is necessary. It's funny too that he said that car insurance would take care of car wreck situations (even though it often doesn't cover everything and many people don't have it), so he apparently doesn't have any problem with legally mandatory car insurance, but he obviously thinks that overall health insurance isn't necessary and shouldn't be mandatory, even though people get hurt or contract diseases whether they're ever in a car or not. Something else joey hasn't considered is that even people who eventually die run up medical bills, and often huge medical bills. Not everyone lives a perfectly healthy life and then suddenly drops dead on their couch. Many people end up in a hospital for days, weeks, months, or even years before they die and the bills are enormous, and the cost is not just ignored by the hospital. Many babies are born with serious problems and need extensive and expensive medical care, and of course many children come down with serious illnesses or incur injuries that require extensive and expensive medical care. joey must think that all their problems are caused by unhealthy eating. And most old people spend a lot of time and run up large bills at clinics and hospitals because of all the things that afflict old people. Being hurt or sick is COMMON, and while eating healthy might help with some things it sure won't have any effect on many things that cause harm. Could anyone be dumber than joey gallien? -------------- Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

Kattarina98 Posts: 1267 Joined: Sep. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: July 03 2012,13:19    Edited by Lou FCD on July 07 2012,07:44 -------------- Barry Arrington is a bitch.

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