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(Permalink) Posted: May 23 2012,00:25   

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I'm sure this has been brought up, but I wonder if Joe realizes that the information content of DNA is insufficient to create an organism.


No.

All else is superfluous.

POTW


I know it's subtle but it really cracked me up.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 23 2012,01:10   

Quote (NormOlsen @ May 22 2012,19:05)
Sayeth Joe:

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The programming was received in the beginning, when the designer(s) implemented the design. I am just not sure exactly where it resides in the cell.

Venter synthesized DNA and the cell worked, so I infer the programming/ software is not in the DNA. So the next step would to be keep synthesizing parts and see if the cell is still viable.

How is it downloaded into the cell? Well to know that would be to know the design and that is what science is for.


"I'm just not sure exactly where it resides in the cell". Such humility! I'm sure Joe has a pretty good idea where it resides, he just doesn't want to brag until he finishes his synthesizer.

I've got to have some fun with joey's comments.


"The programming was received in the beginning, when the designer(s) implemented the design."

In the beginning, the designer god(s) created the heavens, the Earth, and a cake recipe, times 5.

"I am just not sure exactly where it resides in the cell."

I'm sure that joey g resides in a dark, moldy basement.

"Venter synthesized DNA and the cell worked, so I infer the programming/ software is not in the DNA."

I infer that joey's brain cells don't work right and that his programming is defective.

"So the next step would to be keep synthesizing parts and see if the cell is still viable."

Nothing could make joey's brain parts or cells viable. He's hopeless. I'm really wondering if he was synthesized from toe jam.

"How is it downloaded into the cell? Well to know that would be to know the design and that is what science is for."

Ah yes, that's what science is for. Science is the orchestra that joey desperately wants to conduct, even though he can't read the music and has never been to a concert. joey is a scientific maestro only in his own delusional mind.



Hey joey, I thought you IDiots claim to "know the design" when you see it, and I'm surprised that you're not 'inferring' that the "programming/ software" was downloaded into all organisms by Lt. Data, under the direct supervision of allah, with the approval of Star Fleet Command. Isn't that how it was done?



Edited to correct a correction. :)

Edited by The whole truth on May 22 2012,23:19

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(Permalink) Posted: May 23 2012,03:20   

I'll channel Joe some too then:
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The programming was received in the beginning, when the designer(s) implemented the design. I am just not sure exactly where it resides in the cell.

Venter synthesized DNA and the cell worked, so I infer the programming/ software is not in the DNA. So the next step would to be keep synthesizing parts and see if the cell is still viable.

How is it downloaded into the cell? Well to know that would be to know the design and that is what science is for.


Oh, wait now, Joe actually said that!

Lol

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(Permalink) Posted: May 23 2012,04:12   

Quoth Joe:
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This is all in reference to natural selection, which is a result, basically eliminative and doesn't do anything.

How the fuck can it be all three of those? Elimination is doing something. An eliminative process isn't a result, it produces one. Auditions are eliminative but - bingo! - they produce better orchestras than just giving everyone a go. He's trying to merge something he heard Provine say with Gil's oddball "throw stuff away" stance, unsuccessfully.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 23 2012,04:14   

Quote (Soapy Sam @ May 23 2012,04:12)
Quoth Joe:  
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This is all in reference to natural selection, which is a result, basically eliminative and doesn't do anything.

How the fuck can it be all three of those? Elimination is doing something. An eliminative process isn't a result, it produces one. Auditions are eliminative but - bingo! - they produce better orchestras than just giving everyone a go. He's trying to merge something he heard Provine say with Gil's oddball "throw stuff away" stance, unsuccessfully.

Joe does not think about what he parrots. It's why he'd rather call you a stupid idiot then answer a question you might ask, however that might make him look it does not (in his mind) make him look worse then he would if he was seen to not know something.

He can't answer questions on positions he does not actually understand!

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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(Permalink) Posted: May 23 2012,06:23   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ May 23 2012,11:20)
I'll channel Joe some too then:
 
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The programming was received in the beginning, when the designer(s) implemented the design. I am just not sure exactly where it resides in the cell.

Venter synthesized DNA and the cell worked, so I infer the programming/ software is not in the DNA. So the next step would to be keep synthesizing parts and see if the cell is still viable.

How is it downloaded into the cell? Well to know that would be to know the design and that is what science is for.


Oh, wait now, Joe actually said that!

Lol

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How is it downloaded into the cell?


......WITH A CELL CLONE FALL, HOMOS!

I KILL ME SOMETIMES d.t.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 23 2012,08:46   

Quote (The whole truth @ May 23 2012,01:10)
Quote (NormOlsen @ May 22 2012,19:05)
Sayeth Joe:

 
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The programming was received in the beginning, when the designer(s) implemented the design. I am just not sure exactly where it resides in the cell.

Venter synthesized DNA and the cell worked, so I infer the programming/ software is not in the DNA. So the next step would to be keep synthesizing parts and see if the cell is still viable.

How is it downloaded into the cell? Well to know that would be to know the design and that is what science is for.


"I'm just not sure exactly where it resides in the cell". Such humility! I'm sure Joe has a pretty good idea where it resides, he just doesn't want to brag until he finishes his synthesizer.

I've got to have some fun with joey's comments.


"The programming was received in the beginning, when the designer(s) implemented the design."

In the beginning, the designer god(s) created the heavens, the Earth, and a cake recipe, times 5.

"I am just not sure exactly where it resides in the cell."

I'm sure that joey g resides in a dark, moldy basement.

"Venter synthesized DNA and the cell worked, so I infer the programming/ software is not in the DNA."

I infer that joey's brain cells don't work right and that his programming is defective.

"So the next step would to be keep synthesizing parts and see if the cell is still viable."

Nothing could make joey's brain parts or cells viable. He's hopeless. I'm really wondering if he was synthesized from toe jam.

"How is it downloaded into the cell? Well to know that would be to know the design and that is what science is for."

Ah yes, that's what science is for. Science is the orchestra that joey desperately wants to conduct, even though he can't read the music and has never been to a concert. joey is a scientific maestro only in his own delusional mind.



Hey joey, I thought you IDiots claim to "know the design" when you see it, and I'm surprised that you're not 'inferring' that the "programming/ software" was downloaded into all organisms by Lt. Data, under the direct supervision of allah, with the approval of Star Fleet Command. Isn't that how it was done?



Edited to correct a correction. :)

Here's a good question for Joey,

How, exactly, does he propose to "synthesize" all these parts of a cell.

Unless he's got a freaking atomic force microscope and approximately 6x10^5 years to move individual atoms around, then the only known way to synthesize these types of things is to...

use cellular components!

So his "test" is not only stupid, but it's not even discriminatory as he has to use the tools that he's testing to see if they are testable.

ID in a nutshell.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 23 2012,09:51   

Quote (OgreMkV @ May 23 2012,08:46)
Quote (The whole truth @ May 23 2012,01:10)
 
Quote (NormOlsen @ May 22 2012,19:05)
Sayeth Joe:

 
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The programming was received in the beginning, when the designer(s) implemented the design. I am just not sure exactly where it resides in the cell.

Venter synthesized DNA and the cell worked, so I infer the programming/ software is not in the DNA. So the next step would to be keep synthesizing parts and see if the cell is still viable.

How is it downloaded into the cell? Well to know that would be to know the design and that is what science is for.


"I'm just not sure exactly where it resides in the cell". Such humility! I'm sure Joe has a pretty good idea where it resides, he just doesn't want to brag until he finishes his synthesizer.

I've got to have some fun with joey's comments.


"The programming was received in the beginning, when the designer(s) implemented the design."

In the beginning, the designer god(s) created the heavens, the Earth, and a cake recipe, times 5.

"I am just not sure exactly where it resides in the cell."

I'm sure that joey g resides in a dark, moldy basement.

"Venter synthesized DNA and the cell worked, so I infer the programming/ software is not in the DNA."

I infer that joey's brain cells don't work right and that his programming is defective.

"So the next step would to be keep synthesizing parts and see if the cell is still viable."

Nothing could make joey's brain parts or cells viable. He's hopeless. I'm really wondering if he was synthesized from toe jam.

"How is it downloaded into the cell? Well to know that would be to know the design and that is what science is for."

Ah yes, that's what science is for. Science is the orchestra that joey desperately wants to conduct, even though he can't read the music and has never been to a concert. joey is a scientific maestro only in his own delusional mind.



Hey joey, I thought you IDiots claim to "know the design" when you see it, and I'm surprised that you're not 'inferring' that the "programming/ software" was downloaded into all organisms by Lt. Data, under the direct supervision of allah, with the approval of Star Fleet Command. Isn't that how it was done?



Edited to correct a correction. :)

Here's a good question for Joey,

How, exactly, does he propose to "synthesize" all these parts of a cell.

Unless he's got a freaking atomic force microscope and approximately 6x10^5 years to move individual atoms around, then the only known way to synthesize these types of things is to...

use cellular components!

So his "test" is not only stupid, but it's not even discriminatory as he has to use the tools that he's testing to see if they are testable.

ID in a nutshell.

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How, exactly, does he propose to "synthesize" all these parts of a cell.


I'm pretty sure this is what Joe envisions when thinks "synthesize":


In keeping with Robert Moog's bday and all...

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 23 2012,10:12   

Please! You've all underestimated Joe! He knows where the program is!

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It could just reside in the cytoplasm or the cell wall or both.


Or neither Joe, or neither.....

Duh.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 23 2012,10:13   

Joe explains why ID is betterer then Darwinism:
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But anyway Intelligent Design is a better match for the evidence than the modern synthesis, doesnt violate known laws, doesnt have too many unfounded assumptions, is testable, is supported by multiple lines of evidence from different disciplines and can be applied to unkniown situations.


So there!

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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(Permalink) Posted: May 23 2012,10:18   

The only unfounded assumption is that magical invisible pink unicorn in the room.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 23 2012,10:24   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ May 23 2012,10:13)
Joe explains why ID is betterer then Darwinism:
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But anyway Intelligent Design is a better match for the evidence than the modern synthesis, doesnt violate known laws, doesnt have too many unfounded assumptions, is testable, is supported by multiple lines of evidence from different disciplines and can be applied to unkniown situations.


So there!

Let me guess...

he completely fails to actually give supporting evidence for any of the "points" he made.

better match for evidence - sure insofar as ID as described would literally match any evidence of anything

doesn't violate known laws - because God wrote the laws and therefore doesn't have to adhere to them

too many unfounded assumptions - Yep, just one... that God exists

testable - parts are testable and found to be wrong, parts are not testable and are useless

multiple lines of evidence - only if poor analogies are 'evidence'... and no, Joe, forensics and anthropology are not ID-based disciplines

unknown situations - nothing is unknown to God (or something like that)

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(Permalink) Posted: May 23 2012,16:51   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ May 23 2012,08:13)
Joe explains why ID is betterer then Darwinism:
 
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But anyway Intelligent Design is a better match for the evidence than the modern synthesis, doesnt violate known laws, doesnt have too many unfounded assumptions, is testable, is supported by multiple lines of evidence from different disciplines and can be applied to unkniown situations.


So there!

I'd like to offer my serious and thorough assessment of joey's assertions:


"But anyway Intelligent Design is a better match for the evidence than the modern synthesis,"

ROFLMAO!

"doesnt violate known laws,"

ROFLMAO!

"doesnt have too many unfounded assumptions,"

Double, triple, quadruple ROFLMAO!

"is testable,"

ROFLMAO!

"is supported by multiple lines of evidence from different disciplines"

ROFLMAO!

"and can be applied to unkniown situations."

ROFLMAO!

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(Permalink) Posted: May 24 2012,02:59   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ May 23 2012,10:12)
Please! You've all underestimated Joe! He knows where the program is!

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It could just reside in the cytoplasm or the cell wall or both.


Or neither Joe, or neither.....

Duh.

The deadpan response from Jerad ...
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Joe,

Well, I should think that is a line of inquiry that could be pursued. Have you checked to see if anyone is looking into that? The name of the lab associated with the Discovery Institute escapes me at the moment but have you floated the idea past them? I find that usually the best place to start is first finding out what other people in the field think of your idea. Get some feedback, make some changes if necessary and try and pursue things.

:0|

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(Permalink) Posted: May 24 2012,03:08   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ May 23 2012,10:12)
Please! You've all underestimated Joe! He knows where the program is!

 
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It could just reside in the cytoplasm or the cell wall or both.


Or neither Joe, or neither.....

Duh.

And (a veritable garden of delights, that thread) Joe is unconvinced by the findings of anatomy:

 
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I understand the common descent narrative. It isnt that I dont like your case. To me it is as convincing as the toe bone is connected to the foot bone the foot bone is connected to the ankle bone, there is no substance behind it.


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(Permalink) Posted: May 24 2012,04:02   

I do like Jerad's line in deniable snark. Wounding, but bannination would be seen to be very heavy-handed.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 24 2012,05:25   

Quote (damitall @ May 24 2012,04:02)
I do like Jerad's line in deniable snark. Wounding, but bannination would be seen to be very heavy-handed.

Yes, Bully Bannington always scrupulously tries to avoid giving the impression that he bans arbitrarily, just because an evilutionist is right. ;-)

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(Permalink) Posted: May 24 2012,10:43   

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A cake contains all the information required to make it.


That is possibly the dumbest thing I've ever read.

Now "information" = "ingredients", apparently. Or not. Or something.

Dumb, dumb, dumb.

Just... so dumb.

Shouldn't that be ingredients = misinformation, since ...



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(Permalink) Posted: May 29 2012,12:27   



rofl

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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(Permalink) Posted: May 29 2012,13:32   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ May 29 2012,12:27)


rofl

Joe, you magnificent, retarded stallion, are you the deepest cover Poe, ever?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 29 2012,14:18   

Quote (Richardthughes @ May 29 2012,13:32)
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ May 29 2012,12:27)


rofl

Joe, you magnificent, retarded stallion, are you the deepest cover Poe, ever?

He such a deep Poe, he's forgotten that he's supposed to be a Poe.

I'm reminded of the Dilbert cartoon where one of Dilbert's coworkers is fired and to break the news, they tell the coworker that's now a part of the "corporate espionage division" and should now try to get a job with a competitor.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 30 2012,12:08   

Joe bangs his Darwinism=atheism drum between eating his crayons:

http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2012....th.html

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(Permalink) Posted: June 02 2012,14:04   

Our little Joe just caught the attention of Jerry Coyne.  Question: will this lead to new heights of TARD or will the ecstasy of being noticed leave Joe catatonic?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 02 2012,15:49   

Quote (Texas Teach @ June 02 2012,14:04)
Our little Joe just caught the attention of Jerry Coyne. Question: will this lead to new heights of TARD or will the ecstasy of being noticed leave Joe catatonic?

Joe is the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal of the ID movement, and Jerry just pulled the towel off. Prepare for a tardgasm of epic proportions.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 02 2012,17:35   

Its started!

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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2012,12:21   

Quote (Richardthughes @ June 02 2012,17:35)
Its started!

I went to his blog. It's amazing the system of a guy his age can pump out that amount of steroids and adrenalin. Maybe someone should use him for research.
And just one more post like his last one directed at Coyne and NCSE is in for another donation.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2012,12:36   

Oh, another Joe G "fact":

http://www.blogger.com/comment....5164260

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Joe G said...
BTW David- Because of my college education I was able to retire before reaching 50. Yup I made the most of it, unlike evoTARDs...

9:54 AM


Shades of Dell-millionaire Davetard!

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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2012,12:53   

Joe gets busted for sock-puppetry:

http://theidiotsofintelligentdesign.blogspot.com/2012...._thread

What an idiot.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 03 2012,17:29   

Quote (Richardthughes @ June 03 2012,12:36)
Oh, another Joe G "fact":

http://www.blogger.com/comment....5164260

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Joe G said...
BTW David- Because of my college education I was able to retire before reaching 50. Yup I made the most of it, unlike evoTARDs...

9:54 AM


Shades of Dell-millionaire Davetard!

I thought he "retired" because he was fired from one job for making threats on the internet on the company dime, then couldn't get any other job.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 05 2012,10:51   

http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2012....ts.html

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Jerry the Liar Coyne and his Mental Midgets- all Drooling Spewage and No Evidence
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Yup, go figure. Jerry the liar Coyne opens a thread for me and yet he doesn't let me post and no one there offers anything that refutes what I said. Sure I can read many ignorant-filled comments and plenty of lies, but not one piece of evidence.

Is Jerry the liar Coyne an ignorant fucking coward too?

It seems that Jerry is still playing with that little "toy" between his legs...posted by Joe G @ 12:48 PM




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