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Quack



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 21 2015,01:50   

Quote (Glen Davidson @ Oct. 19 2015,21:29)
 
Quote (CeilingCat @ Oct. 19 2015,11:02)
Only on UD.  In the More Reality thread, bornagain x quotes three authorities to explain why consciousness can't be material:

Max Planck
Erwin Schroedinger
William J. Murray

This may be the first time these three names have ever been in the same list.

William Murray, the Max Planck of Neuroscience (btw, why would even Planck or Schroedinger be authorities on consciousness?).

Goes nicely with William Dembski, the Newton of Information Science.  And equally meaningful.

Glen Davidson

bornagain x, the Jesus of ID?

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Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 21 2015,03:08   

Quote (sparc @ Oct. 20 2015,22:53)
Quote (JohnW @ Oct. 20 2015,16:54)
 
Quote (CeilingCat @ Oct. 20 2015,14:25)
WTF
Two guesses who wrote this:      
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Common ancestry was at one time mainly a religious dispute. Everyone thinks they know what happened at the iconic Scopes “Monkey” Trial (they don’t, actually)

Commenter DaveS points out that she is still banging on about biologists replacing the tree of life with a circle.  Based on this.

Even Denyse O'Leary cannot be so dumb that she forgot that she was corrected when she made the very same claim back in 2011 here, here and here. One can only conclude that she is a dishonest nasty person who wilfully lying.

2011? That's, like, years ago.

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KevinB



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 21 2015,11:46   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Oct. 21 2015,03:08)
Quote (sparc @ Oct. 20 2015,22:53)
 
Quote (JohnW @ Oct. 20 2015,16:54)
   
Quote (CeilingCat @ Oct. 20 2015,14:25)
WTF
Two guesses who wrote this:        
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Common ancestry was at one time mainly a religious dispute. Everyone thinks they know what happened at the iconic Scopes “Monkey” Trial (they don’t, actually)

Commenter DaveS points out that she is still banging on about biologists replacing the tree of life with a circle.  Based on this.

Even Denyse O'Leary cannot be so dumb that she forgot that she was corrected when she made the very same claim back in 2011 here, here and here. One can only conclude that she is a dishonest nasty person who wilfully lying.

2011? That's, like, years ago.

How far back do we need to go to exceed some of the UD commentors' reading ages?

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 21 2015,15:52   

this is the most ironic goddam thing in the history of Spacetime:

 
Quote
How to Distort Data With Charts 101
October 21, 2015

Posted by Barry Arrington under Intelligent Design

No Comments

We’ve all heard the old saw about lies, damn lies and statistics.  It seems the aphorism holds when the statistics are charted.  Here is the only chart you will ever need when discussing global warming:



You don't need to be Edward Fucking Tufte to see the problem, do you?

wow

Edited by stevestory on Oct. 21 2015,16:55

   
Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 21 2015,16:28   

Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 21 2015,15:52)
this is the most ironic goddam thing in the history of Spacetime:

 
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How to Distort Data With Charts 101
October 21, 2015

Posted by Barry Arrington under Intelligent Design

No Comments

We’ve all heard the old saw about lies, damn lies and statistics.  It seems the aphorism holds when the statistics are charted.  Here is the only chart you will ever need when discussing global warming:



You don't need to be Edward Fucking Tufte to see the problem, do you?

wow

The chart is improperly labeled. It should be labeled "Average IQ of ID Creationists".

  
NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 21 2015,16:30   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Oct. 21 2015,17:28)
Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 21 2015,15:52)
this is the most ironic goddam thing in the history of Spacetime:

   
Quote
How to Distort Data With Charts 101
October 21, 2015

Posted by Barry Arrington under Intelligent Design

No Comments

We’ve all heard the old saw about lies, damn lies and statistics.  It seems the aphorism holds when the statistics are charted.  Here is the only chart you will ever need when discussing global warming:



You don't need to be Edward Fucking Tufte to see the problem, do you?

wow

The chart is improperly labeled. It should be labeled "Average IQ of ID Creationists".

No, it slopes in the wrong direction.

  
REC



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 21 2015,22:06   

Back to global warming, heh?

Barry must not think the business he dredged up with the string of anti-abortion posts is going to last long:

"The suit has been filed for FFCC board member Chris McIntire who, he says, as a representative Colorado taxpayer, has been defrauded by the defendants using taxpayer money for abortion. McIntire is represented by pro-life attorney Barry Arrington in the suit.'

http://www.lifenews.com/2015....y-parts

  
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 21 2015,22:17   

Is that graph arguing that the globe isn't warming, or that it is?

Looks to me like it shows a two degree increase in average temperature in less than two centuries, and unless I'm confused that's rather significant.

Consider that if all we had to worry about was changes in the sun's output, it would take many millions of years to produce that amount of increase. (That's if my estimates are in the ball park, based on article on life cycle of yellow dwarf.)

  
OgreMkV



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 21 2015,23:18   

Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 21 2015,15:52)
this is the most ironic goddam thing in the history of Spacetime:

 
Quote
How to Distort Data With Charts 101
October 21, 2015

Posted by Barry Arrington under Intelligent Design

No Comments

We’ve all heard the old saw about lies, damn lies and statistics.  It seems the aphorism holds when the statistics are charted.  Here is the only chart you will ever need when discussing global warming:



You don't need to be Edward Fucking Tufte to see the problem, do you?

wow

I got 99 problems with this graph, but being a creationist ain't one.

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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 22 2015,00:35   

Could someone please plot a UD site visits graph with a scale going to about 1000x their maximum visit number? And then post it as "All you need to know about UD popularity.".

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Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 22 2015,05:10   

Quote (NoName @ Oct. 21 2015,16:30)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Oct. 21 2015,17:28)
Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 21 2015,15:52)
this is the most ironic goddam thing in the history of Spacetime:

   
Quote
How to Distort Data With Charts 101
October 21, 2015

Posted by Barry Arrington under Intelligent Design

No Comments

We’ve all heard the old saw about lies, damn lies and statistics.  It seems the aphorism holds when the statistics are charted.  Here is the only chart you will ever need when discussing global warming:



You don't need to be Edward Fucking Tufte to see the problem, do you?

wow

The chart is improperly labeled. It should be labeled "Average IQ of ID Creationists".

No, it slopes in the wrong direction.

I was being generous.

  
Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 22 2015,12:40   

Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 21 2015,15:52)
this is the most ironic goddam thing in the history of Spacetime:

 
Quote
How to Distort Data With Charts 101
October 21, 2015

Posted by Barry Arrington under Intelligent Design

No Comments

We’ve all heard the old saw about lies, damn lies and statistics.  It seems the aphorism holds when the statistics are charted.  Here is the only chart you will ever need when discussing global warming:



You don't need to be Edward Fucking Tufte to see the problem, do you?

wow

Yes. What idiot puts that many ticks on the y-axis?

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KevinB



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 22 2015,13:29   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Oct. 22 2015,12:40)
Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 21 2015,15:52)
this is the most ironic goddam thing in the history of Spacetime:

   
Quote
How to Distort Data With Charts 101
October 21, 2015

Posted by Barry Arrington under Intelligent Design

No Comments

We’ve all heard the old saw about lies, damn lies and statistics.  It seems the aphorism holds when the statistics are charted.  Here is the only chart you will ever need when discussing global warming:



You don't need to be Edward Fucking Tufte to see the problem, do you?

wow

Yes. What idiot puts that many ticks on the y-axis?

Can you catch Lyme disease from a UD post?

Can you make an effective tick-repellent from watermelons?

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 22 2015,13:40   

UD has been down for me all day. I'm on a public liberry wifi today though, so maybe that's it.

I really want to see if anyone's pointed out the obvious idiocy of this graph.

   
JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 22 2015,13:48   

Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 22 2015,11:40)
UD has been down for me all day. I'm on a public liberry wifi today though, so maybe that's it.

I really want to see if anyone's pointed out the obvious idiocy of this graph.

I'm sure you'll be shocked to hear that, while the idiocy is being pointed out by Zachriel, Bob O'H, Learned Hand and others, the usual suspects (PaV, ppolish, JoeG Frisbee Kid Joseph Frankie Virgil...) are lining up to hail Barry's awesomeness.  I'm waiting for Denyse to praise it for not being circular.

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Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 22 2015,16:11   

Damn, I was expecting this article to be about Barry, Mapou, Joe/Virgil/Frankie and Kairos (don't call me Gordon Mullings) Focus.


How some patients who appear to be in a vegetative state remain consciousHow some patients who appear to be in a vegetative state...

  
Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2015,04:07   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Oct. 22 2015,16:11)
Damn, I was expecting this article to be about Barry, Mapou, Joe/Virgil/Frankie and Kairos (don't call me Gordon Mullings) Focus.


How some patients who appear to be in a vegetative state remain consciousHow some patients who appear to be in a vegetative state...

I've been to scientific talks like that.

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KevinB



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2015,07:32   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Oct. 23 2015,04:07)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Oct. 22 2015,16:11)
Damn, I was expecting this article to be about Barry, Mapou, Joe/Virgil/Frankie and Kairos (don't call me Gordon Mullings) Focus.


How some patients who appear to be in a vegetative state remain consciousHow some patients who appear to be in a vegetative state...

I've been to scientific talks like that.

You can leave out "scientific" without loss of accuracy (while including most of the OPs on UD)

  
Zachriel



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2015,08:59   

The Dionisio thread breaks a thousand.
http://www.uncommondescent.com/evoluti....-584115

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2015,14:01   

Larry Moran Doesn't Like Us

hahahahahaha

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2015,14:04   

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Larry Moran

October 23, 2015 at 8:25 am

I apologize for making it appear as though I thought that Denyse O’Leary and Barry Arrington were Discovery Institute Fellows. That was not my intention and I have added an update to my blog post. I know full well that the Discovery Institute has low standards for accepting fellows but not that low.
OWWIE!

   
Texas Teach



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2015,15:33   

Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 23 2015,14:01)
Larry Moran Doesn't Like Us

hahahahahaha

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Tip from an old news hack: When people talk in the impersonal third person about an agglomeration of individuals, they are spouting propaganda.


Followed by:

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But let us say they agreed to do so. Would Dr. Moran like to rid the world of all the bimboes, bimbettes, twits and twerps, dumboes, stumboes, and yo-yos on Airhead TV who claim to “believe in” evolution (= half-remembered Darwinism from high school)?


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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2015,18:38   

After a closer look at the data the image has been updated.



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Lethean



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2015,19:32   

P.S. - Hat tip to the author of the corrected "Hawkins Curve" for inspiration.

P.P.S. - Ya'll got anymore of them edit button thingies ?

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"So I'm a pretty unusual guy and it's not stupidity that has gotten me where I am. It's brilliance."

"My brain is one of the very few independent thinking brains that you've ever met. And that's a thing of wonder to you and since you don't understand it you criticize it."


~Dave Hawkins~

  
Ptaylor



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2015,20:54   

Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 22 2015,08:52)
this is the most ironic goddam thing in the history of Spacetime:

   
Quote
How to Distort Data With Charts 101
October 21, 2015

Posted by Barry Arrington under Intelligent Design

No Comments

We’ve all heard the old saw about lies, damn lies and statistics.  It seems the aphorism holds when the statistics are charted.  Here is the only chart you will ever need when discussing global warming:



You don't need to be Edward Fucking Tufte to see the problem, do you?

wow

Well, he has managed to hide the incline.

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sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2015,23:45   

Quote (Lethean @ Oct. 23 2015,18:38)
After a closer look at the data the image has been updated.


POTW!

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JonF



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2015,07:24   

Quote (Lethean @ Oct. 23 2015,20:32)
P.S. - Hat tip to the author of the corrected "Hawkins Curve" for inspiration.

P.P.S. - Ya'll got anymore of them edit button thingies ?

You need some number of posts first.  I forget how many.

  
Zachriel



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2015,11:32   

We're preparing for Barry Arrington to "win" another argument.



http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-584315

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2015,11:37   

Banny quoting Alexander Solzhenitsyn. Wow.

   
Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2015,12:52   

I haven't had time to read it, but I'd imagine this paper is interesting for fans if ID.
Research article: Are there ergodic limits to evolution? Ergodic exploration of genome space and convergence
Tom C. B. McLeish
Interface Focus 2015 5 20150041; DOI: 10.1098/rsfs.2015.0041. Published 23 October 2015

Abstract:
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We examine the analogy between evolutionary dynamics and statistical mechanics to include the fundamental question of ergodicity—the representative exploration of the space of possible states (in the case of evolution this is genome space). Several properties of evolutionary dynamics are identified that allow a generalization of the ergodic dynamics, familiar in dynamical systems theory, to evolution. Two classes of evolved biological structure then arise, differentiated by the qualitative duration of their evolutionary time scales. The first class has an ergodicity time scale (the time required for representative genome exploration) longer than available evolutionary time, and has incompletely explored the genotypic and phenotypic space of its possibilities. This case generates no expectation of convergence to an optimal phenotype or possibility of its prediction. The second, more interesting, class exhibits an evolutionary form of ergodicity—essentially all of the structural space within the constraints of slower evolutionary variables have been sampled; the ergodicity time scale for the system evolution is less than the evolutionary time. In this case, some convergence towards similar optima may be expected for equivalent systems in different species where both possess ergodic evolutionary dynamics. When the fitness maximum is set by physical, rather than co-evolved, constraints, it is additionally possible to make predictions of some properties of the evolved structures and systems. We propose four structures that emerge from evolution within genotypes whose fitness is induced from their phenotypes. Together, these result in an exponential speeding up of evolution, when compared with complete exploration of genomic space. We illustrate a possible case of application and a prediction of convergence together with attaining a physical fitness optimum in the case of invertebrate compound eye resolution.


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