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Peter Henderson



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 31 2009,11:48   

Do these scientists/historians realise they are being used in a trailer for a YEC film about Charles Darwin ?:

Professor Sandra Herbert

Professor Peter Bowler

Professor Phil Currie

Have a look at Creation Ministries International's webpage on their forthcoming film about Charles Darwin:

http://creation.com/

They all appear alongside the Discovery Institute's Professor Cornelius Hunter and YEC Professor Stuart Burgess (AiG UK associate speaker) in the trailer for the film. I can't find anything at all about Brian Milstead.

Should Professors Herbert, Bowler, and Currie not be made aware that they are being promoted in this way ?????

  
Dr.GH



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 31 2009,12:40   

"expelled" vol. II

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noncarborundum



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 31 2009,23:06   

Quote (Peter Henderson @ Mar. 31 2009,11:48)
Do these scientists/historians realise they are being used in a trailer for a YEC film about Charles Darwin ?:

Professor Sandra Herbert

Professor Peter Bowler

Professor Phil Currie

Have a look at Creation Ministries International's webpage on their forthcoming film about Charles Darwin:

http://creation.com/

They all appear alongside the Discovery Institute's Professor Cornelius Hunter and YEC Professor Stuart Burgess (AiG UK associate speaker) in the trailer for the film. I can't find anything at all about Brian Milstead.

Should Professors Herbert, Bowler, and Currie not be made aware that they are being promoted in this way ?????

I just love the fact that their first "Affiliated Sites" link is to this.

   
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Welcome to the official website for Alien Intrusion:  UFOs and the Evolution Connection by Gary Bates


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"The . . . um . . . okay, I was genetically selected for blue eyes.  I know there are brown eyes, because I've observed them, but I can't do it.  Okay?  So . . . um . . . coz that's real genetic selection, not the nonsense Giberson and the others are talking about." - DO'L

  
Schroedinger's Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: April 01 2009,06:16   

Oh man! That must be the worst April's fool ever!

Who would seriously believe that stuff?

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Trogdor



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(Permalink) Posted: April 06 2009,16:15   

Dr. Currie has been informed about his appearance in the trailer.

  
Peter Henderson



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(Permalink) Posted: April 06 2009,17:37   

Quote (Trogdor @ April 06 2009,16:15)
Dr. Currie has been informed about his appearance in the trailer.


I hope he's thoroughly pissed off trogdor.

I forgot to mention in my original post that Professor Janet Browne of Harvard University appears as well.

  
Advocatus Diaboli



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(Permalink) Posted: April 07 2009,04:07   

Apparently there are two Finnish creationists as talking heads: prof. Matti Leisola and Tapio Puolimatka. They have been on a road show here in Finland for quite a while now.

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Peter Henderson



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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2009,09:42   

As expected:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs....il.html

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Creationists defend Darwin film
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William Crawley | 13:24 PM, Sunday, 21 June 2009

On today's Sunday Sequence, the CEO of Creation Ministries UK responded to claims by one of the world's leading authorities on evolution that he was duped into appearing in an anti-Darwinian film.

Professor Peter Bowler, the author of a biography of Charles Darwin and many other books on the history of evolution, said he was interviewed for the The Voyage That Shook The World without realising that the film was being made by a Creationist group.

Professor Bowler, who has spent most of his academic career at Queen's University, Belfast, researching Darwinism, says he is unhappy to be appearing in what he regards as an "anti-Darwinian" film which offers an historically distorted portrait of Darwin. He claims that the film's narrative implies that Darwin's theory led him towards racism, whereas recent historical work by James Moore and Adrian Desmond shows that Darwin's scientific work was partly motivated by the naturalist's passionate opposition to racism.

Professor Bowler says he, along with his colleagues Sandra Herbert and Janet Browne, only discovered that they had inadvertently contributed to a Creationist film a month before the film's release. Peter Bowler also raised concerns about how the editing of his own interview could leave viewers with a false impression of his own perspective on Darwin.

Phil Bell, CEO of Creation Ministries UK, acknoweged that his organisation established a "front company" called Fathom Media, because they were concerned that experts such as Peter Bowler would not agree to take part in the film if they realised it was an "overtly Creationist" production. "At the end of the day," he said, "[when] people see 'Creationist', instantly the shutters go up and that would have shut us off from talking to the sort of experts, such as Professor Bowler, that we wanted to get to."

I asked Phil Bell if this method of securing an interview was "deceptive". He said: "Well, it could be called deceptive. But I think, at the end of the day, I would say that more people are concerned about how we've made a documentary, that's a world-class documentary, clearly with wonderful footage, with excellent interviews, and balanced open discussion."

Phil Bell also denied that his organisation had broken the ninth commandment by "bearing false witness" against Professor Bowler and his colleagues. "Nobody was told any lies," he said.

Watch the film trailer, below, which includes a short clip from Peter Bowler's interview


A real sense of déjà vu it would seem:

http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/news/file007.html

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What the tape shows
Cut from previous interview with an Israeli biophysicist to interviewer in an obviously different room from the one in which RD has previously been shown.

Interviewer: "Professor Dawkins, can you give an example of a genetic mutation, or an evolutionary process, which can be seen to increase the information in the genome?"

Cut to RD, who looks around the room, [shot holds for 11 seconds]

Cut back to interviewer, while RD begins speaking off camera

RD: "There's a popular misunderstanding of evolution [cut back to RD] that says that fish turned into reptiles and reptiles turned into mammals and that somehow we ought to be able to look around the world today and look at our ancestors and see the intermediate species… (Dawkins goes on to explain)."

  
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