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Bueller_007



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 22 2009,13:03   

Quote (Bueller_007 @ Jan. 22 2009,12:00)
Quote (Nils Ruhr @ Jan. 22 2009,05:21)
You are the ones who fail to cite properly.

a) I'm pretty sure no one at this forum actually wrote that part of the article.

b) The part of the sentence I was trying to emphasize was the dismal box office performance, which was properly referenced.  In case you didn't get it, box office performance was so poor that it couldn't even top a movie whose native speakers make up much less than 1% of the population.

"movie whose native speakers" -> "movie in a language whose"

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2009,16:29   

A propos of nothing much, I thought some of you might be amused by this photo I took in Durham airport last week, when returning from ScienceOnline09:

(from flickr)

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Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2009,16:43   

Wow, you learn something new every day!


House Bunny is a drama!  I'll have to rent it again.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2009,16:47   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Jan. 23 2009,17:29)
A propos of nothing much, I thought some of you might be amused by this photo I took in Durham airport last week, when returning from ScienceOnline09:

(from flickr)

I guess it's not in the store's best interest to have a section labelled "worthless junk"

   
carlsonjok



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2009,16:47   

Quote (Doc Bill @ Jan. 23 2009,16:43)
Wow, you learn something new every day!


House Bunny is a drama!  I'll have to rent it again.

From IMDB:

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When Shelly, a Playboy bunny, is tossed out of the mansion, she has nowhere to go until she falls in with the sorority girls from Zeta Alpha Zeta. The members of the sorority - who also have got to be the seven most socially clueless women on the planet - are about to lose their house. They need a dose of what only the eternally bubbly Shelley can provide... but they will each learn on their own to stop pretending to be what others want them to be and start being themselves.


Sounds like one of those tearjerker, find-yourself-everyone-hugs-at-the-end chick flicks. So, Doc Bill, since you indicate that you have seen it, I have to say (since RTH isn't here to say it himself):  HOMO.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2009,16:52   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Jan. 23 2009,14:29)
A propos of nothing much, I thought some of you might be amused by this photo I took in Durham airport last week, when returning from ScienceOnline09:

(from flickr)

Shouldn't it be two columns over to the right?

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Lowell



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2009,17:16   

Quote (carlsonjok @ Jan. 23 2009,16:47)
Sounds like one of those tearjerker, find-yourself-everyone-hugs-at-the-end chick flicks.

I have to stick up for The House Bunny. It was actually really funny. Here's a positive review from Salon (and a picture of Anna Faris illustrating some of her *ahem* considerable talents).

The lesson I took away from the film: "The eyes are the nipples of the face."

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Marion Delgado



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2009,21:03   

Okay, now i'm confused. I feel Expelled contributed to the discussion more than House Bunny. I watched House Bunny a lot, especially some scenes, and it totally does not explain evolution, per se.

whatever happened with the main character and the guy, they were clearly the same species. I will ask John Davison to weigh in on this. Kevin Miller is right, you guys know consensus but not what a science documentary is.

  
Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2009,21:59   

Now I'm confused.

I thought House Bunny was a comedy, now I find out it's a Freaking Documentary!

I want a House Bunny!

However, I fear the House Bunny was Expelled.

Tell me it ain't so!

  
noncarborundum



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2009,22:09   

Quote (Doc Bill @ Jan. 23 2009,21:59)
Now I'm confused.

I thought House Bunny was a comedy, now I find out it's a Freaking Documentary!

I want a House Bunny!

However, I fear the House Bunny was Expelled.

Tell me it ain't so!

No, it was the Easter Bunny that was Expelled - a major coup in the War on Easter begun last year by militant atheists, emboldened by their early successes in the War on Christmas, as a second front in their Global War On Jesus.

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hereoisreal



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2009,00:02   

Did you hear what happened to the bunny?
Washed his thing and couldn't do a hare with it.

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Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 28 2009,12:21   

Designing better trailers for our nation's designed children featuring Ben Stein, host of the "finance workshop and panel discussion." Where, I'm sure, they will open-mindedly debate the "strengths and weaknesses" of the NATM Guidelines.

The workshop is in 26 hours. There's a countdown clock so you won't miss it! :p

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Lowell



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 28 2009,17:46   

I think that's actually 26 days, Kristine. But I'm sure the collective members of the National Association of Trailer Manufacturers wish it was only a matter of hours.

I mean, with all his economics expertise, Stein must know an awful lot about how to finance a trailer manufacturing business.

WTF? Even if he didn't have a terrible track record of economic predictions, why would anyone think Stein would know anything about that subject? I wonder how much they're paying him. Someone should call his agent and find out what his rates are.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 28 2009,19:23   

Quote (Lowell @ Jan. 28 2009,17:46)
I think that's actually 26 days, Kristine. But I'm sure the collective members of the National Association of Trailer Manufacturers wish it was only a matter of hours.

I mean, with all his economics expertise, Stein must know an awful lot about how to finance a trailer manufacturing business.

WTF? Even if he didn't have a terrible track record of economic predictions, why would anyone think Stein would know anything about that subject? I wonder how much they're paying him. Someone should call his agent and find out what his rates are.

So, we can call his agent and find out what Stein wants to never make another film?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 28 2009,19:28   

Quote (carlsonjok @ Jan. 23 2009,14:47)
 
Quote (Doc Bill @ Jan. 23 2009,16:43)
Wow, you learn something new every day!


House Bunny is a drama!  I'll have to rent it again.

From IMDB:

 
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When Shelly, a Playboy bunny, is tossed out of the mansion, she has nowhere to go until she falls in with the sorority girls from Zeta Alpha Zeta. The members of the sorority - who also have got to be the seven most socially clueless women on the planet - are about to lose their house. They need a dose of what only the eternally bubbly Shelley can provide... but they will each learn on their own to stop pretending to be what others want them to be and start being themselves.


Sounds like one of those tearjerker, find-yourself-everyone-hugs-at-the-end chick flicks. So, Doc Bill, since you indicate that you have seen it, I have to say (since RTH isn't here to say it himself):  HOMO.

Not at all. My daughter loved House Bunny, so evidently Doc Bill is not a homo, but merely a 14-year-old girl.

Dang. She had us fooled for a long time there.

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Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 01 2009,13:03   

Kevin Miller! None of the articles and websites announcing Ben Stein's upcoming commencement address at the University of Vermont mention your film Expelled when listing Stein's latest accomplishments. None. Don't you feel insulted, slighted?

Don't worry, we're doing something to help you. As I (advocate of free speech that I am) suggested, posters of Stein's quotes will be plastered all over campus. More publicity than you've ever had! Free speech in action! Trustees (notoriously frightened of controversy) appalled at the attention and the humiliation of having "Science leads you to killing people" plastered all over a university still recovering from its "party" reputation. The students are rising up and questioning the establishment! By donning Charles Darwin masks! Doesn't that just bring a tear to your eye? Daniel Fogel, tear down that wall! :D

By all the planets, this is priceless! Students reminding Stein of a film he obviously wants to forget! Academic inquiry, remember! Oh, I don't want him disinvited, not at all - this is too great to miss! I invited PZ again, and Dawkins. :)

Remember, film buff, that scene from Citizen Kane? When Leland (Joseph Cotton) admonishes the protagonist for claiming to "speak for the common man" until the common man started speaking for himself? It's happening now. Be careful what you make a film about claiming to wish for.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 01 2009,15:39   

The UVM commencement thing is all over. Stein has backed out.

What's the bet that this gets spun as yet more persecution?

(Edited to clarify)

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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 01 2009,16:23   

Quote (Kristine @ Feb. 01 2009,13:03)
Kevin Miller! None of the articles and websites announcing Ben Stein's upcoming commencement address at the University of Vermont mention your film Expelled when listing Stein's latest accomplishments. None. Don't you feel insulted, slighted?

Don't worry, we're doing something to help you. As I (advocate of free speech that I am) suggested, posters of Stein's quotes will be plastered all over campus. More publicity than you've ever had! Free speech in action! Trustees (notoriously frightened of controversy) appalled at the attention and the humiliation of having "Science leads you to killing people" plastered all over a university still recovering from its "party" reputation. The students are rising up and questioning the establishment! By donning Charles Darwin masks! Doesn't that just bring a tear to your eye? Daniel Fogel, tear down that wall! :D

By all the planets, this is priceless! Students reminding Stein of a film he obviously wants to forget! Academic inquiry, remember! Oh, I don't want him disinvited, not at all - this is too great to miss! I invited PZ again, and Dawkins. :)

Remember, film buff, that scene from Citizen Kane? When Leland (Joseph Cotton) admonishes the protagonist for claiming to "speak for the common man" until the common man started speaking for himself? It's happening now. Be careful what you make a film about claiming to wish for.

Thanks for the post Kristine - you made may day!  Well, as much as it can be without the Bears winning the Super Bowl anyway...:(

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 01 2009,16:57   

Quote (Ptaylor @ Feb. 01 2009,16:39)
The UVM commencement thing is all over. Stein has backed out.

What's the bet that this gets spun as yet more persecution?

(Edited to clarify)

$10 says Kevin Miller calls this something like censorship, persecution, summary execution, torture in a gulag, etc.

   
Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 01 2009,18:23   

Quote (stevestory @ Feb. 01 2009,16:57)
Quote (Ptaylor @ Feb. 01 2009,16:39)
The UVM commencement thing is all over. Stein has backed out.

What's the bet that this gets spun as yet more persecution?

(Edited to clarify)

$10 says Kevin Miller calls this something like censorship, persecution, summary execution, torture in a gulag, etc.

Yeah, that would be in keeping with the overwrought theatrics and dishonest hyperbole that the other "expelled" martyrs bloviated about themselves.

$10 says that I carve "Science leads you to killing people" on Ben Stein's tombstone. What a worthless coward the man is.

Honestly, what a freaking COWARD.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 01 2009,18:30   

I bet Ben at the moment would run 100 miles if he saw Kevin. Note that Expelled wasn't included in the potted biography at UVM. he has destroyed himself with the intelligent crowd plus the creos aren't exactly falling over themselves to call Stein a visionary.

I haven't seen Stein mention Expelled anywhere recently (Google "Stein Expelled" and you will find all of the church basement showings and a speech at Harding University in Arkansas). I think that he knows that he still has a gig with the economic stuff, but being a martyr due to a fourth rate movie is not fun or profitable.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 01 2009,18:56   

I noticed. Well, as long as I'm around, Ben "Science kills" Stein isn't going to successfully back away either from his considerable role in Expelled or from the statements he made in the snake handler lecture circuit afterward. Don't you worry, Kevin.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 04 2009,14:48   

Hey, Kevin11

Here is an interesting story, from the latest issue of Academe, the magazine of the AAUP. It's long and boring, but it basically tells how a small Xtian college violated the academic freedom of a biology professor who admitted to being a theistic evolutionist. This was not in conflict with the dogma of the cult operating the church, but it offended some of the trustees, none of whom had science degrees, but were compelled nevertheless to harass this professor.

When you make the next version of Expelled (working title = Regurgitated?), maybe you can include this sordid tale.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 04 2009,18:24   

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Feb. 04 2009,20:48)
Hey, Kevin11

Here is an interesting story, from the latest issue of Academe, the magazine of the AAUP. It's long and boring, but it basically tells how a small Xtian college violated the academic freedom of a biology professor who admitted to being a theistic evolutionist. This was not in conflict with the dogma of the cult operating the church, but it offended some of the trustees, none of whom had science degrees, but were compelled nevertheless to harass this professor.

When you make the next version of Expelled (working title = Regurgitated?), maybe you can include this sordid tale.

Well even if Kevvo never reads it, I just did. I would love for the IDCists and their stooges to come up with ANYTHING remotely like it. It would simply never happen except in religiously motivated/McCarthyite/Lysenkoist ideological style pogroms within universities.

Louis

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Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,12:58   

Yup! Here it comes.
   
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Alas, poor Richard. Out of a job [he voluntarily retired], and still twitching from Ben Stein's unveiling of his pro-intelligent design tendencies in Expelled  last year, he apparently spends his time dogging Ben Stein's heels. [Dawkins ain't got nothin' on me.] Here's how a fawning university president gushed about getting an e-mail from Dawkins telling him to bounce Stein as a commencement speaker later this year.
   
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Is the correspondence between you and Professor Richard Dawkins authentic?

Fogel: It is authentic; I admire his work greatly. I have read his work and I have been deeply instructed by it., as I said to him. I was really quite honored to have an e-mail from him directly.

What was the first e-mail from him about?

Fogel: It was to discuss his dismay and concern along the lines we have already discussed.

And also to give me some of his more person background that I had certainly been unaware of. I did not know that he was shown in the movie ‘Expelled’ and that he had been manipulated by the producers and that his words had been used out of context.

What a bunch of malarkey. Of course, Fogel hasn't seen Expelled or he'd realize that the interview with Dawkins was long, exhaustive and in no way taken out of context. The bogus charges against the producers have long been laid to rest (see here, here, and here). The only person still smarting about this is poor Richard.

The only person still smarting about this is poor Richard? Really?

Sooo...are they bragging here, or complaining?

Because they seem teed off. Is it just me? Why are they teed off, if Richard's "smarting"? :D

(P.S. I really do wish that speech would have gone forward. But I guess it's Richard's fault that Ben quit. Well. Way to challenge the Darwinists, Ben. If a little controversy scares you, how can you take that message to the country? What was Expelled supposed to be about, then?

It couldn't be about...milking the great unwashed to advocate a movement that you don't really want to fight for, could it? Kind of like the anti-abortion profiteers who secretly don't want Roe v. Wade overturned?)

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 05 2009,22:15   

I don't want to slow down Kristine's excellent take-down of "Expelled," and Ben Shine (on a turd) but I wanted to mention that the NCSE Reports has come out with their special issue devoted to the lies in "Expelled." I got my copy today.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2009,22:30   

Quote (Kristine @ Feb. 01 2009,13:03)
Kevin Miller! None of the articles and websites announcing Ben Stein's upcoming commencement address at the University of Vermont mention your film Expelled when listing Stein's latest accomplishments. None. Don't you feel insulted, slighted?

Don't worry, we're doing something to help you. As I (advocate of free speech that I am) suggested, posters of Stein's quotes will be plastered all over campus. More publicity than you've ever had! Free speech in action! Trustees (notoriously frightened of controversy) appalled at the attention and the humiliation of having "Science leads you to killing people" plastered all over a university still recovering from its "party" reputation. The students are rising up and questioning the establishment! By donning Charles Darwin masks! Doesn't that just bring a tear to your eye? Daniel Fogel, tear down that wall! :D

By all the planets, this is priceless! Students reminding Stein of a film he obviously wants to forget! Academic inquiry, remember! Oh, I don't want him disinvited, not at all - this is too great to miss! I invited PZ again, and Dawkins. :)

Remember, film buff, that scene from Citizen Kane? When Leland (Joseph Cotton) admonishes the protagonist for claiming to "speak for the common man" until the common man started speaking for himself? It's happening now. Be careful what you make a film about claiming to wish for.

Kristine that's very gracious of you and had more evolutionist Darwinists reacted in a spirit of cooperation, perhaps Kevin and Ben would have apologized for any misunderstandings that happened during the making of their science film.

I think it took a woman's touch to respond graciously and positively and in a spirit of cooperation. If Ben Stein comes to speak here, I will act in the same spirit and put up Expelled posters everywhere. Thank you for a really good idea. I have had no problem in the past finding plenty of unused Expelled posters and even have a few left in my house.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 06 2009,22:52   

Yeah, I'm a veritable saint. :)



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 07 2009,10:32   

Beshrew my heart, but I recognized that there is a point to be made about undergraduate education in all this - that many students do feel "expelled" by their professors, not because of "Darwinism," but because they perceive their professors to be remote (because faculty are rewarded for research, not teaching) and the university system to be bureaucratic. I don't doubt that these new Bible colleges that have sprung up manage to create, as did Harvard college at its founding, a warmer, more personal experience for students, with real professional concern for their development.

The trick is to re-partner that sense of service, which flowered in America's A&M universities just after the Morrill Act (while the theologically-based Harvard and Princeton denounced them as "cow colleges"), with our ongoing committment to scholarly research.

Ben has a cause, but he doesn't really know what it is. But this is why it is important for people like Fogel to at least pay attention to Expelled. Fanatics often have their finger on a pulse - it's their analysis that off. But really, the question of a return to student-centered higher education is a crucial one! At their founding, universities used to be student guilds. In our modern, Web 2.0 era, we need to rethink higher education to make it more responsive to students.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 07 2009,13:00   

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Kristine: Ben has a cause, but he doesn't really know what it is. But this is why it is important for people like Fogel to at least pay attention to Expelled. Fanatics often have their finger on a pulse - it's their analysis that off. But really, the question of a return to student-centered higher education is a crucial one! At their founding, universities used to be student guilds. In our modern, Web 2.0 era, we need to rethink higher education to make it more responsive to students.
How?

  
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