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JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2016,00:20   

Quote (Woodbine @ Aug. 11 2016,13:36)
And that grand-daughter was Albert Einstein.

POTW, if not POTY

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Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2016,03:28   

I'll, um, just leave this here:
https://aeon.co/ideas....sicists
No, I'm not going to set up a similar service for evolutionary biology.

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sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2016,03:36   

Too true:
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The majority of my callers are the ones who seek advice for an idea they’ve tried to formalise, unsuccessfully, often for a long time. Many of them are retired or near retirement, typically with a background in engineering or a related industry. All of them are men.

ETA: to avoid any personal crisis nobody should provide a link to the article on the neighbouring GG only pages

Edited by sparc on Aug. 12 2016,07:07

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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

- William Dembski -

   
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2016,10:25   

Quote (fnxtr @ Aug. 11 2016,19:42)
Quote (Woodbine @ Aug. 11 2016,13:36)
And that grand-daughter was Albert Einstein.

(sigh) Where can I buy a tea-repellent monitor?

In a coffee shop?

  
k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2016,11:29   

Quote (Henry J @ Aug. 12 2016,18:25)
Quote (fnxtr @ Aug. 11 2016,19:42)
Quote (Woodbine @ Aug. 11 2016,13:36)
And that grand-daughter was Albert Einstein.

(sigh) Where can I buy a tea-repellent monitor?

In a coffee shop?

Oh you mocha.

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2016,11:58   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Aug. 12 2016,04:28)
I'll, um, just leave this here:
https://aeon.co/ideas......sicists
No, I'm not going to set up a similar service for evolutionary biology.

super neato article. Fun idea.

   
NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2016,13:58   

Quote (sparc @ Aug. 12 2016,04:36)
Too true:
 
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The majority of my callers are the ones who seek advice for an idea they’ve tried to formalise, unsuccessfully, often for a long time. Many of them are retired or near retirement, typically with a background in engineering or a related industry. All of them are men.

ETA: to avoid any personal crisis nobody should provide a link to the article on the neighbouring GG only pages

Oh, but you just know he'd think that he was the one who should set up the service, and that he could supplement his income by doing this.

The horror, the horror.

The lulz, the lulz.

  
JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2016,14:11   

Quote (NoName @ Aug. 12 2016,11:58)
Quote (sparc @ Aug. 12 2016,04:36)
Too true:
 
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The majority of my callers are the ones who seek advice for an idea they’ve tried to formalise, unsuccessfully, often for a long time. Many of them are retired or near retirement, typically with a background in engineering or a related industry. All of them are men.

ETA: to avoid any personal crisis nobody should provide a link to the article on the neighbouring GG only pages

Oh, but you just know he'd think that he was the one who should set up the service, and that he could supplement his income by doing this.

The horror, the horror.

The lulz, the lulz.

He should totally do this.  It would be well worth the $50 each for us all to call in.

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Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers

There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

  
Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2016,14:56   

KF at his conspiracy theory best:
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Mix in, a Supreme Court judge dies under strange circumstances and no serious autopsy is performed . . . and, he died in “assassination and cover up central,” since 1963. (Wasn’t there a question mark over a presidential autopsy and/or its results back then too? At least, there was an autopsy that time. And, a film of the assassination.)

Isn’t that rather obviously a red flag?

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2016,15:25   

:O

   
JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2016,15:29   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Aug. 12 2016,12:56)
KF at his conspiracy theory best:
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Mix in, a Supreme Court judge dies under strange circumstances and no serious autopsy is performed . . . and, he died in “assassination and cover up central,” since 1963. (Wasn’t there a question mark over a presidential autopsy and/or its results back then too? At least, there was an autopsy that time. And, a film of the assassination.)

Isn’t that rather obviously a red flag?

If any Montserratians are reading this: this is why there's never any tinfoil on the shelves.

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Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers

There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2016,16:41   

Quote (JohnW @ Aug. 12 2016,15:29)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Aug. 12 2016,12:56)
KF at his conspiracy theory best:
 
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Mix in, a Supreme Court judge dies under strange circumstances and no serious autopsy is performed . . . and, he died in “assassination and cover up central,” since 1963. (Wasn’t there a question mark over a presidential autopsy and/or its results back then too? At least, there was an autopsy that time. And, a film of the assassination.)

Isn’t that rather obviously a red flag?

If any Montserratians are reading this: this is why there's never any tinfoil on the shelves.

Seriously, WTF?

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Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2016,22:15   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 12 2016,16:41)
Quote (JohnW @ Aug. 12 2016,15:29)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Aug. 12 2016,12:56)
KF at his conspiracy theory best:
 
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Mix in, a Supreme Court judge dies under strange circumstances and no serious autopsy is performed . . . and, he died in “assassination and cover up central,” since 1963. (Wasn’t there a question mark over a presidential autopsy and/or its results back then too? At least, there was an autopsy that time. And, a film of the assassination.)

Isn’t that rather obviously a red flag?

If any Montserratians are reading this: this is why there's never any tinfoil on the shelves.

Seriously, WTF?

There is not enough tinfoil in the world for KF's paranoia.
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PS: There is such a thing as leadership succession by subtle use of arsenic or the modern equivalent, Polonium or the like.

  
Quack



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2016,00:07   

I don't know how or why I got there, but here he is, another cdesignproponentsist:
Dennis D Jones
 
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This time, it has not only been determined that information is quantifiable, which leads the way to further research started by William Dembski upon discovering “Complex Specified Information,” but now the ability to quantify consciousness itself has been realized. It’s an exciting era of the history of biology to be alive in to see this unfold in our lifetime.


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Ptaylor



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2016,05:29   

Quote (Glen Davidson @ Aug. 12 2016,04:26)
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William shares the stupid
...

He concedes that his conversations with offspring don't always have the same effect:
         
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William J MurrayAugust 13, 2016 at 3:09 am

bb @25:

No, I’m not that William J. Murray.

J-Mac @9:

People hang onto their beliefs because, for most people, beliefs represent aspects who they are. Their beliefs are like physical appendages. Core, worldview beliefs are like organs. Logically criticizing a belief is experienced like someone trying to cut off a hand or thrusting a knife through your lung. It’s physiologically threatening and painful.

My granddaughter wasn’t particularly committed to atheism which is why I think she was more of an actual agnostic, and I think she actually wanted to believe in god if someone could just give her intellectually satisfying reasons to do so.

I’ve had other talks with some of my children, though, that show how deeply entrenched beliefs can be and how problematic it can be to have them challenged. I had a political discussion with one of my daughters once that left her physically sick & vomiting for a couple of days.

Emphasis added, UD link.

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2016,05:33   

Who is THAT wjm?

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Quack



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2016,06:39   

Intelligent Design still the future
What impact has ID made on culture? Have they reached any scientific goals besides Behe in obscurity, Dembski in retirement?

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k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2016,09:48   

Quote (Quack @ Aug. 13 2016,14:39)
Intelligent Design still the future
What impact has ID made on culture? Have they reached any scientific goals besides Behe in obscurity, Dembski in retirement?

No science yet but one in ten Americans believe Joan of Arc was Noah's wife.

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2016,13:29   

Quote (Quack @ Aug. 13 2016,07:39)
Intelligent Design still the future
What impact has ID made on culture? Have they reached any scientific goals besides Behe in obscurity, Dembski in retirement?

$10 for adults to watch the ID video.

   
Woodbine



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2016,14:35   

This was the venue....



Standing room only I'm sure.

  
Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2016,19:15   

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kairosfocusAugust 13, 2016 at 6:03 pm
RB, you are simply playing at rhetoric of dismissal. My reaction is, how utterly naive; and oh there are conspiracy nutters cuts no ice. Polonium pellets in the hands of the Depts of Wet Affairs are a grim reality. And not just KGB and their Bulgarian subsidiary of a generation past. In C21 — and much before — it should be a well understood commonplace that any senior official dying in office is autopsied. That this was not done, that so many people don’t see why it should have been done as a matter of course and the shoot at the messenger distractors just underscore how far gone we are. As to 1963, you forget there was a double assassination, which is “interesting,” at minimum, never mind clap trap on grassy knolls and disputes about which way heads and exploding tissues should fly or magic bullets. Mind you, in the end all of this is a convenient side track from the real point: lawfare is an act of war, usurping the sword of justice in pursuit of ruthless agendas. It plays with terrible fire that may well blaze out of control. But then I am pessimistic about our civilisation’s prospects. Lastly, UD’s veterans take due note of what is being studiously evaded while rhetorical distractors are trotted out — symptomatic of the deeper complaint, cf 19 above. KF

  
Tony M Nyphot



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2016,21:17   

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No Sane Person Acts as if Materialism Were True
August 13, 2016 Posted by Barry Arrington under Intelligent Design


Employing a design inference, Barry finally admits he acts as if materialism is true?

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Jkrebs



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2016,21:38   

kf has gone even deeper off the deep end with this Scalia idiocy. What does this say about the rest of his political worldview - even wackier than we have thought?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2016,04:04   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Aug. 13 2016,11:33)
Who is THAT wjm?

Son of a murdered mother ...

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Lethean



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2016,06:59   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Aug. 12 2016,14:56)
KF at his conspiracy theory best:
   
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Mix in, a Supreme Court judge dies under strange circumstances and no serious autopsy is performed . . . and, he died in “assassination and cover up central,” since 1963. (Wasn’t there a question mark over a presidential autopsy and/or its results back then too? At least, there was an autopsy that time. And, a film of the assassination.)

Isn’t that rather obviously a red flag?



The strange circumstances being that he was about to turn 80, had a long history of heart disease, high blood pressure, was a diabetic, was obviously obese, was a smoker, and to help him not die in his sleep was provided by his physician with a CPAP breathing device to use at night to deal with sleep apnea which he didn't bother using the night he died. All of which was taken into account by his own doctors who deemed him to be too weak to risk relatively straightforward shoulder surgery because they believed he'd likely die on the slab.

But the fact he was in Texas, that's the real clincher.

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NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2016,07:11   

Quote (Lethean @ Aug. 14 2016,07:59)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Aug. 12 2016,14:56)
KF at his conspiracy theory best:
   
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Mix in, a Supreme Court judge dies under strange circumstances and no serious autopsy is performed . . . and, he died in “assassination and cover up central,” since 1963. (Wasn’t there a question mark over a presidential autopsy and/or its results back then too? At least, there was an autopsy that time. And, a film of the assassination.)

Isn’t that rather obviously a red flag?



The strange circumstances being that he was about to turn 80, had a long history of heart disease, high blood pressure, was a diabetic, was obviously obese, was a smoker, and to help him not die in his sleep was provided by his physician with a CPAP breathing device to use at night to deal with sleep apnea which he didn't bother using the night he died. All of which was taken into account by his own doctors who deemed him to be too weak to risk relatively straightforward shoulder surgery because they believed he'd likely die on the slab.

But the fact he was in Texas, that's the real clincher.

If one believes that materialism (and a quite antiquated view of the term at that) is a conspiracy, there is no limit to where conspiracies can be inferred.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2016,07:26   

Quote (Lethean @ Aug. 14 2016,12:59)
The strange circumstances being that he was about to turn 80, had a long history of heart disease, high blood pressure, was a diabetic, was obviously obese, was a smoker, and to help him not die in his sleep was provided by his physician with a CPAP breathing device to use at night to deal with sleep apnea which he didn't bother using the night he died. All of which was taken into account by his own doctors who deemed him to be too weak to risk relatively straightforward shoulder surgery because they believed he'd likely die on the slab.

The perfect cover!

Wake up SHEEPLE!

  
Jkrebs



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2016,19:34   

Hmmm. I've been put in moderation because Barry got pissed off at me. He's a touchy fellow, and I'm pretty sure he doesn't like me.

  
Jkrebs



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2016,20:07   

This extremely provocative post was put in moderation, and now that seems to have disappeared:

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I'm aware of Coyne, but I've never read him. I've read some of Harris and Dawkins, and don't agree with them about a lot of stuff. I don't consider reading a bit of someone on the internet as "knowing" them.

And I know lots more than a half-dozen atheists. I know a lot of people interested in these issues, spanning a wide range of metaphysical views (many of which are non-theistic), and I can't imagine any of them claiming to "not be a real person", but rather a "neuronal illusion."


There was another part about me standing by my statement, and it was Barry's choice if he wanted to call me a damned liar, but I lost that part.

He also called me a coward, but I think he is projecting.

  
Jkrebs



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2016,20:19   

I also asked Barry some questions about whether he thought other animals were just chemicals, and that humans were unique in having libertarian free will, consciousness, and beliefs, or did he thing animals also had some non-material aspects.

He deleted that post entirely, replaced it with "UDEditors: Cowardly attempt to derail the discussion deleted."

Seemed pertinent to me, and I am interested in what Barry and his ilk does think goes on in living things, if not chemistry?

  
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