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keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: July 09 2008,22:52   

She also considers herself an expert in consciousness studies, with predictable results.

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Nerull



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(Permalink) Posted: July 09 2008,23:41   

So, there are 4 main people who run TT.

One is an ignorant asshole.

One is certifiably insane.

One is...well....Mike Gene.

So what's wrong with the next?

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: July 09 2008,23:57   

richtard you are one funny bastard

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"I am Tardacus!!"

"No, *I* am Tardacus!!"


Thanks Joy and Guts, you've brought joy to my guts.


oh hell that is hilarious.  i am dying here.

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

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Dr.GH



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(Permalink) Posted: July 10 2008,00:41   

Quote (Joy @ July 09 2008,20:46)
Buh-bye.

Ya sur ya becha

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keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: July 10 2008,00:47   

Joy's intellectual hero, Matti Pitkänen, opens today's post on his blog with this paragraph:
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A code for protein folding and bio-catalysis

The TGD inspired model for the evolution of genetic code leads to the idea that the folding of proteins obeys a folding code inherited from the genetic code. After some trials one ends up with a general conceptualization of the situation with the identification of wormhole magnetic flux tubes as correlates of attention at molecular level so that a direct connection with TGD inspired theory of consciousness emerges at quantitative level. This allows a far reaching generalization of the DNA as topological quantum computer paradigm and makes it much more detailed. By their asymmetric character hydrogen bonds are excellent candidates for magnetic flux tubes serving as correlates of attention at molecular level.

Woooooooooooooooo...

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jeffox



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(Permalink) Posted: July 10 2008,02:21   

Dr. GH wrote above:
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Quote (Joy @ July 09 2008,20:46)
Buh-bye.

Ya sur ya becha


Ya ya, dere Dr. GH, looks ta me like ya useta live in Minnesota, dere, eh?  Up ta by what lake, eh?  Ya godda tell me so's I know, eh, maybe we can go fishin', ya tink?

Tanks in 'vance, eh!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 10 2008,07:24   

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,July 09 2008,23:57)
richtard you are one funny bastard

 
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"I am Tardacus!!"

"No, *I* am Tardacus!!"


Thanks Joy and Guts, you've brought joy to my guts.


oh hell that is hilarious.  i am dying here.



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slpage



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(Permalink) Posted: July 10 2008,07:56   

Quote (keiths @ July 09 2008,16:37)
Quote (Joy @ July 09 2008,14:23)
Cajuns, on the other hand, do like swamps. They live there, so that surely means something. I have no problem with Cajuns living in swamps if that's what they like, but I'd never choose it. I'm a Highlander... I am here on purpose.

And in the mountains it's easier to steer clear of them Gummint agents tryin' to suppress your superconductivity research.

Well, she did once claim that she has barbed wire, guns and dogs protecting her home as she has been 'stalked' by people from the internet....

  
slpage



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(Permalink) Posted: July 10 2008,07:57   

Quote (Ftk @ July 09 2008,19:21)
HI JOY!  You're awesome.  Love your posts and comments at TT!  I'm you're biggest fan - in this neck of the swamp anyway!!!!


Blind leading the blind?

Stupid swaying the stupider?

I'm at a loss.

  
midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: July 10 2008,07:58   

Quote (keiths @ July 10 2008,00:47)
Joy's intellectual hero, Matti Pitkänen, opens today's post on his blog with this paragraph:
 
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A code for protein folding and bio-catalysis

The TGD inspired model for the evolution of genetic code leads to the idea that the folding of proteins obeys a folding code inherited from the genetic code. After some trials one ends up with a general conceptualization of the situation with the identification of wormhole magnetic flux tubes as correlates of attention at molecular level so that a direct connection with TGD inspired theory of consciousness emerges at quantitative level. This allows a far reaching generalization of the DNA as topological quantum computer paradigm and makes it much more detailed. By their asymmetric character hydrogen bonds are excellent candidates for magnetic flux tubes serving as correlates of attention at molecular level.

Woooooooooooooooo...

 
I think he failed to take this into consideration,

 
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In string theory, the quantum-mechanical amplitude for the interaction of n closed or open strings is represented by a functional integral (basically, a sum) over fields living on a two-dimensional manifold with boundary. In quantum gravity, we may expect that a similar representation will hold, except that the two-dimensional manifold with boundary will be replaced by a multidimensional one. Unfortunately, multidimensionality goes against the grain of conventional linear mathematical thought, and despite a recent broadening of attitudes (notably associated with the study of multidimensional nonlinear phenomena in chaos theory), the theory of multidimensional manifolds with boundary remains somewhat underdeveloped. Nevertheless, physicists' work on the functional-integral approach to quantum gravity continues apace, and this work is likely to stimulate the attention of mathematicians.


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slpage



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(Permalink) Posted: July 10 2008,08:01   

Quote (Joy @ July 09 2008,21:56)
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So I guess my question is this. Based on my readings at TT, it appears that both you and Nelson know next to nothing about biology. Yet this whole discussion is about biology, trying to distinguish between two explanations for the observed diversity of life on this planet.


I've never been a working biologist other than seriously applied bio-physics in action. But my elder sister (we shared a room for 17 years!) is a Ph.D. plant physiologist. And I grow ginseng, goldenseal and black cohosh (endangered all) right here that I can see out my window. That sister (unlike the other two, who went into medicine/programming instead) was once the world's foremost expert in American Mandrake as a treatment for cancer (now bioengineered into ridiculousness). We're planning a Materia Medica. Have been planning it for the past 40 years.

Why do you think they call it "Health Physics?"

Ah, so you have agarden, thus you can comment authoritatively about evolutionary bioloogy and associated topics.

Well, at least you are being logical and rational.

As for health physics, I was my old unit's Nuclear, Biological and Chemical warfare assistant NCO.  So I guess I can comment authoritatively on what you did for a living.

Right?

  
slpage



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(Permalink) Posted: July 10 2008,08:02   

Quote (Joy @ July 09 2008,22:46)
Buh-bye.

Typical...

Without 'delete' control, these people usually don't last long.

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: July 10 2008,08:23   

Quote (slpage @ July 10 2008,08:02)
Quote (Joy @ July 09 2008,22:46)
Buh-bye.

Typical...

Without 'delete' control, these people usually don't last long.

And she advocates banning people from telic tards for being associated with AtBC.

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Albatrossity2



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(Permalink) Posted: July 10 2008,08:42   

Quote (Joy @ July 09 2008,21:56)
 
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So I guess my question is this. Based on my readings at TT, it appears that both you and Nelson know next to nothing about biology. Yet this whole discussion is about biology, trying to distinguish between two explanations for the observed diversity of life on this planet.


I've never been a working biologist other than seriously applied bio-physics in action. But my elder sister (we shared a room for 17 years!) is a Ph.D. plant physiologist. And I grow ginseng, goldenseal and black cohosh (endangered all) right here that I can see out my window. That sister (unlike the other two, who went into medicine/programming instead) was once the world's foremost expert in American Mandrake as a treatment for cancer (now bioengineered into ridiculousness). We're planning a Materia Medica. Have been planning it for the past 40 years.

Why do you think they call it "Health Physics?"

Hi, Joy

You seem to have missed the actual question part of my comment. In fact, you deleted it from the part you quoted. Maybe my post was too long, or maybe you didn't want to answer. But your string of personal anecdotes is not an answer to the question, even though your biggest XY fan member here might think so.

Here's the question again - Why do you think anyone should listen to your pontifications when it is quite clear that your knowledge of the subject matter (biology) is exceedingly shallow?

thanks

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: July 10 2008,08:47   

Wow.  well it all makes sense TO ME now...

Joy is apparently one of those back-to-the-lander-alternative-medicine-spiritual-woo-crystal-worshipping types that invaded Madison, Mitchell and Yancey County sometime after the white flight of the 1960s decimated the native hillbilly population.  Real people went to work where the jobs were, enabling the influx of hippy tards who wanna sell medicinal-like plants to other suckers, or exchange them for some quartz or beryl crystals or acupuncture or soul cleansing exercises.

You can go to Spruce Pine or Burnsville or Marshall and see any number of these wanna be wiccan priestesses drinking double shot espressos in long flowery shapeless dresses, punctuated by hairy toes sticking out of birkenstocks.  Astrology, numerology, phrenology, no woo is too stupid for these empty vessels.  ID is par for the course.

Nope, Asheville is too banal for this breed of ex-hippy.  Must invade natural communities.  I see them about like I do Miscanthus.

And apparently she did.

Joy what is your story, why did you move to McDowell County?  Spreading the tard across the divide?  Did you think Old Fort needed some sophisticated culture that only a woo-priestess could bring?  Don't you know that we had granny women back in the day, and you are not filling that role?

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
Dr.GH



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(Permalink) Posted: July 10 2008,11:10   

Quote (jeffox @ July 10 2008,00:21)
Dr. GH wrote above:
 
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Quote (Joy @ July 09 2008,20:46)
Buh-bye.

Ya sur ya becha


Ya ya, dere Dr. GH, looks ta me like ya useta live in Minnesota, dere, eh?  Up ta by what lake, eh?  Ya godda tell me so's I know, eh, maybe we can go fishin', ya tink?

Tanks in 'vance, eh!

Hey dere Jeff, my wife's da he is a old contry Nord from dere. An he cant fish fur a dam, eh? uftame go figur.

But ya commin down ta de dana point an we godda go get ona boat ya tink?

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(Permalink) Posted: July 10 2008,12:37   

Quote (Dr.GH @ July 10 2008,09:10)
 
Quote (jeffox @ July 10 2008,00:21)
Dr. GH wrote above:
   
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Quote (Joy @ July 09 2008,20:46)
Buh-bye.

Ya sur ya becha


Ya ya, dere Dr. GH, looks ta me like ya useta live in Minnesota, dere, eh?  Up ta by what lake, eh?  Ya godda tell me so's I know, eh, maybe we can go fishin', ya tink?

Tanks in 'vance, eh!

Hey dere Jeff, my wife's da he is a old contry Nord from dere. An he cant fish fur a dam, eh? uftame go figur.

But ya commin down ta de dana point an we godda go get ona boat ya tink?

And I guess that was your accomplice in the wood chipper?

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jeffox



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(Permalink) Posted: July 10 2008,22:06   

Dr. GH wrote:

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Hey dere Jeff, my wife's da he is a old contry Nord from dere. An he cant fish fur a dam, eh? uftame go figur.

But ya commin down ta de dana point an we godda go get ona boat ya tink?


Ga, jeez, sorry ta hear dat 'bout yer fadder-in-law, eh!  Ya know, it cudda been dat he was jus bein modes 'bout his fishin' 'bilities, dere, eh.  After all, ya know, summa da guys dat get dere limit a walleyes 'bout ever' time dey go out onna lake say dat 'bout demselfs cuz dey don wan nobody goin' inna dere basemen freezer ta swipe dere eatin' fish.  Minnesotans ain dum, ya know.  :)

Local dialect aside, I would be proud and happy to go sea fishing with you if I can ever get down to San Diego again.  Just so you know, I lived there twice; the first time while stationed at NTC back in 79/80, the second shortly after I got out of the Navy, about 1985/6.  I used to work at the convenience store (Circle K) on Carmel Valley Rd. in south Del Mar.  That whole area is just drop-dead gorgeous, imo.  And no snow!!

(Back into dialect)  :)
Ya ya, good ta hear from ya, dere, Dr. GH.  An besta luck to ya on yer nex fishin expedition!  Catch one fer da wall, eh!!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 10 2008,22:12   

The both a you are kinda funny looking. I don't know, just funny looking. More than most people even.

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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
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"Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."
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jeffox



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(Permalink) Posted: July 10 2008,22:12   

Arden Chatfield wrote:

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And I guess that was your accomplice in the wood chipper?


No, I wuz ice fishin' on a whole 'nuther lake at dat time, an I got bot' da fish an' da witnesses ta prove it!  Ya ya, I can even show ya da bottle a root beer schnapps dat we emptied.  (looks both ways - eh don tell my ol' lady 'bout dat part, eh?)  :)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 10 2008,22:19   

R. Bill wrote:
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The both a you are kinda funny looking. I don't know, just funny looking. More than most people even.


Well, ya know, at leas I don't look GOOFY, like, say, FTK or Guts, eh!
:)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 10 2008,22:30   

Quote (jeffox @ July 10 2008,22:06)
Dr. GH wrote:

 
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Hey dere Jeff, my wife's da he is a old contry Nord from dere. An he cant fish fur a dam, eh? uftame go figur.

But ya commin down ta de dana point an we godda go get ona boat ya tink?


Ga, jeez, sorry ta hear dat 'bout yer fadder-in-law, eh!  Ya know, it cudda been dat he was jus bein modes 'bout his fishin' 'bilities, dere, eh.  After all, ya know, summa da guys dat get dere limit a walleyes 'bout ever' time dey go out onna lake say dat 'bout demselfs cuz dey don wan nobody goin' inna dere basemen freezer ta swipe dere eatin' fish.  Minnesotans ain dum, ya know.  :)

Local dialect aside, I would be proud and happy to go sea fishing with you if I can ever get down to San Diego again.  Just so you know, I lived there twice; the first time while stationed at NTC back in 79/80, the second shortly after I got out of the Navy, about 1985/6.  I used to work at the convenience store (Circle K) on Carmel Valley Rd. in south Del Mar.  That whole area is just drop-dead gorgeous, imo.  And no snow!!

(Back into dialect)  :)
Ya ya, good ta hear from ya, dere, Dr. GH.  An besta luck to ya on yer nex fishin expedition!  Catch one fer da wall, eh!!

You sound like a member of Da Yoopers singing Da Turdy Point Buck

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Utt_XgcWv8&feature=related

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jeffox



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(Permalink) Posted: July 10 2008,23:06   

silverspoon wrote:
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You sound like a member of Da Yoopers singing Da Turdy Point Buck

I ought to.  Northeastern Minnesotan (or rangertalk/rangerspeak) and Yupper dialects are very, very close-sounding.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 11 2008,03:00   

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Joy's intellectual hero, Matti Pitkänen, opens today's post on his blog with this paragraph:
 
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A code for protein folding and bio-catalysis

The TGD inspired model for the evolution of genetic code leads to the idea that the folding of proteins obeys a folding code inherited from the genetic code. After some trials one ends up with a general conceptualization of the situation with the identification of wormhole magnetic flux tubes as correlates of attention at molecular level so that a direct connection with TGD inspired theory of consciousness emerges at quantitative level. This allows a far reaching generalization of the DNA as topological quantum computer paradigm and makes it much more detailed. By their asymmetric character hydrogen bonds are excellent candidates for magnetic flux tubes serving as correlates of attention at molecular level.

Woooooooooooooooo...

With apologies to our resident Moonspeakers, I'm starting to dig this Finnish tard.  It's good stuff.

Matti Pitkänen's online books on "Topological Geometrodynamics and Consciousness" contain these chapters:

Bio-Systems as Conscious Holograms
Homeopathy in Many-Sheeted Space-time
DNA as Topological Quantum Computer
Quantum Model for Hearing and Memetic Code, which includes a section on "neutrinos and hearing."
Crop Circles and Life at Parallel Space-time Sheets
Infinite Primes and Consciousness, with a section on "Algebraic Brahman=Atman identity."

Having been so rigorous up to this point, Matti decides to cut loose and indulge in "A little crazy speculation about knots and infinite primes."  Crazy? Not you, Matti!

I'll bet it sounds even better in Moon language.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 27 2008,16:06   

Since I saw this recently mentioned someplace on TT, I wish to clarify that I stepped in with the anon9 name when it appeared that JackT was banned, like myself and keiths, for expressing opposing viewpoints (though a pretext was used in place of this fact).  And indeed JackT was later banned, under a new pretext.

When someone like Guts/Nelson becomes unhinged and starts banning folks for unreasonable reasons, I think we have a duty to say something. His unethical, deranged behavior is shown unequivocally in this thread.  Nelson does have a right to ban without reason, but participants also have a right to know what they are getting into.  In particular they should be aware that TT's own policies are not followed.

It is interesting to see the spin on the clear-cut evidence given in this thread.  It appears to only consist of my posting under anon9, which I did just once.  But again, this was only to shed light on Nelson's behavior.  Even if we accept that my using a second name was underhanded, nonetheless it happened long after keiths and I were banned.  So it's completely irrelevant to the issue.  (Yet I still attest that if a con-man like Nelson complains about being exposed, then too bad--stop being a con-man, then.  But that's just my opinion.)

And we hear not a single peep out of the IDist regulars at TT about Nelson's conduct shown here.  I mean, this thread is self-explanatory, both in the email exchange posted at the beginning and in Nelson's subsequent eruption.  Not one word from them about it.  (Heddle called Nelson on it, but Heddle (from what I can tell) is not quite an ID advocate in the TT sense.)

On a lighter note, this thread now appears on the first page of a Google search for Nelson Alonso.  How embarrassing for him.  On which I say:  Yeessss, yeessss.  Ooooh let me taste your tears, Nelson!  Mmmm, your tears are so yummy and sweet!  Ooooh the tears of unfathomable sadness!  Mmmm yummy!  Yummy, you guys!

[I wonder how many will recognize the above reference.]

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 27 2008,16:12   

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[I wonder how many will recognize the above reference.]

Do you like your chili, Scott?

   
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(Permalink) Posted: July 27 2008,19:12   

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She also considers herself an expert in consciousness studies, with predictable results.

 
Not to mention being a science journalist for 20 years, which of course also makes her an expert in mammalogy and primate vision.

KC

Edited by KCdgw on July 27 2008,19:13

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(Permalink) Posted: July 28 2008,01:03   

Quote (KCdgw @ July 27 2008,17:12)
Quote (keiths @ July 09 2008,22:52)
She also considers herself an expert in consciousness studies, with predictable results.

 
Not to mention being a science journalist for 20 years, which of course also makes her an expert in mammalogy and primate vision.

KC

Well anybody with tits is an expert at mammabamadingdog, or what ever.

And I find that the more into fatty tissue and milk ducts someone is the dumber they are. Some oncologists excepted.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2008,13:23   

Nelson is having a hissy fit over my describing him as an antievolutionist. I found a pretty sweet item in that he signed off as agreeing with the proposed science standard changes in Ohio in 2002 via a SEAO (IDC activist group) poll, see here.

Given how the group here has stored up all sorts of interesting items for other antievolutionists, I'd appreciate it if you have specific instances of Nelson espousing the standard religious antievolution arguments or stances if you would add them to the thread here. Please pile on.

ETA: Nelson is claiming that some other IDC cheerleader by the name of "Nelson Alonso" must have signed the SEAO poll. This is getting funnier by the minute.

Edited by Wesley R. Elsberry on Dec. 04 2008,13:26

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 04 2008,15:45   

http://www.amazon.com/gp....UBDX0ZY

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