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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 17 2015,10:05   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Mar. 17 2015,06:42)
I made progress showing the same network as neurons. Stay tuned..

Which would be completely irrelevant to the documented claims that the PSC VB code of 2011/11/22 had "NEURONS".

It doesn't matter what Gary goes on to do after his embarrassing episode of saying that he had things in his code that manifestly do not exist. That faux pas is documented and does exist.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 17 2015,10:14   

Gary at home doin' his inventin'




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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 17 2015,10:20   

Ncht

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 17 2015,10:22   

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Quote (GaryGaulin @ Mar. 17 2015,14:42)
I made progress showing the same network as neurons. Stay tuned..

Note the subtle goal post shift folks, they're not NEURONS now.

Next he'll be saying 'you don't need no damn neurons to have intelligence' just gut cunning, eh Gary?

Oh, this is not new. Gary originally claimed to have neural models from Arnold Trehub in in PSC VB code. When called on that, he trotted out a block diagram from Trehub's book as if that meant something. He has a severe problem when it comes to distinguishing between menus and meals. It's all part of the "Let's Pretend!" mindset.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 17 2015,10:22   

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Stupid android double post

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 17 2015,10:23   

I no longer have the cartoon, but I think of Gary more along the lines of the guy with the gun to his own head asserting to his wife "Don't laugh, you're next!"

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 17 2015,10:27   

Quote (NoName @ Mar. 17 2015,18:23)
I no longer have the cartoon, but I think of Gary more along the lines of the guy with the gun to his own head asserting to his wife "Don't laugh, you're next!"

He's a very poor parody of Don Quixote.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 17 2015,10:32   

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Quote (GaryGaulin @ Mar. 17 2015,14:42)
I made progress showing the same network as neurons. Stay tuned..

Note the subtle goal post shift folks, they're not NEURONS now.

Next he'll be saying 'you don't need no damn neurons to have intelligence' just gut cunning, eh Gary?

Oh, this is not new. Gary originally claimed to have neural models from Arnold Trehub in in PSC VB code. When called on that, he trotted out a block diagram from Trehub's book as if that meant something. He has a severe problem when it comes to distinguishing between menus and meals. It's all part of the "Let's Pretend!" mindset.

And memes from genes.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 17 2015,11:02   

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Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Mar. 17 2015,18:22)
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Quote (GaryGaulin @ Mar. 17 2015,14:42)
I made progress showing the same network as neurons. Stay tuned..

Note the subtle goal post shift folks, they're not NEURONS now.

Next he'll be saying 'you don't need no damn neurons to have intelligence' just gut cunning, eh Gary?

Oh, this is not new. Gary originally claimed to have neural models from Arnold Trehub in in PSC VB code. When called on that, he trotted out a block diagram from Trehub's book as if that meant something. He has a severe problem when it comes to distinguishing between menus and meals. It's all part of the "Let's Pretend!" mindset.

And memes from genes.

If the map is colored in crayons, then there must be a little man painting all the territory.  He was so confused when he saw that lakes aren't actually an even shade of blue.  Clearly somebody got reality wrong.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 18 2015,07:16   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Mar. 17 2015,10:05)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Mar. 17 2015,06:42)
I made progress showing the same network as neurons. Stay tuned..

Which would be completely irrelevant to the documented claims that the PSC VB code of 2011/11/22 had "NEURONS".

It doesn't matter what Gary goes on to do after his embarrassing episode of saying that he had things in his code that manifestly do not exist. That faux pas is documented and does exist.

I seriously don't have time for your defamatory word games that go in circles until even you are dizzy from them.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 18 2015,07:45   

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Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Mar. 17 2015,10:05)
   
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I made progress showing the same network as neurons. Stay tuned..

Which would be completely irrelevant to the documented claims that the PSC VB code of 2011/11/22 had "NEURONS".

It doesn't matter what Gary goes on to do after his embarrassing episode of saying that he had things in his code that manifestly do not exist. That faux pas is documented and does exist.

I seriously don't have time for your defamatory word games that go in circles until even you are dizzy from them.

Let's fix that for you Gary. BTW since you obviously don't know what projection is ....here is what you really said.

 
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I seriously don't only have time for your my defamatory word games that go in circles until even you  are I am dizzy from them.


Gary is more transparent than a Kodak slide.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 18 2015,08:26   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Mar. 18 2015,08:16)
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Mar. 17 2015,10:05)
 
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Mar. 17 2015,06:42)
I made progress showing the same network as neurons. Stay tuned..

Which would be completely irrelevant to the documented claims that the PSC VB code of 2011/11/22 had "NEURONS".

It doesn't matter what Gary goes on to do after his embarrassing episode of saying that he had things in his code that manifestly do not exist. That faux pas is documented and does exist.

I seriously don't have time for your defamatory word games that go in circles until even you are dizzy from them.

Seriously?  Wow, we're all impressed.

So how is you don't have time to address any of these, which are neither defamatory nor 'word games'?

Man up Gary.

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You've got a whole lot of transparent and ineffective distraction going on, Gary.
As NoName said earlier,
   
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Stop deflecting, distracting, and denying.  Man up and deal with the facts on the ground:

A phenomenon is not properly called 'emergent' when it arises from a set of phenomena to which it is properly called 'self-similar'.  And vice versa.
Not all acts of 'intelligence' are motor acts, yet your "theory" insists otherwise.  This flies in the face of your assertion that your, or any competing, "theory" must "explain how ANY intelligence system works."
Deal with the fact that you smuggle 'intelligence' into your module with the undefined and uncharacterized 'guess' function.
Deal with the fact that 'guess' does not equal 'plan'.  Your "theory" is useless as a 'theory of intelligence' if it cannot deal with plans and planning.
Deal with the fact that many acts of intelligence involve imagination, and your "theory" does not deal with imagination at all.
Deal with the fact that some of the most crucial constraints on life are thermodynamic and that your "theory" simply ignores any and all thermodynamic issues.
Etc.

   
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What is the ‘something’ that must be controlled when an intelligence creates a theory?  a musical composition?  a plan?  a story plot line?
Note that none of these require muscle activity of any sort.

What are the senses that address what memory/memories when an intelligence creates a theory?  a musical composition?  a plan?  a story plot line?
Note that each of these has been performed by individuals who lack the 'obvious' sensory modalities one would expect for the product.
Sub-question — what does it mean for memory to be sensory-addressed?  The naive view that has the senses directly writing to memory or directly “indicating” what memory to use and what to store there has been debunked many many years ago.  So what are you talking about here?

What is the measure of confidence to gauge failure and success when an intelligence creates a theory?  a musical composition?  a plan?  a story plot line?
Sub-question — what senses address what memory/memories in the creation, storage, and retrieval of the ‘confidence’ factor?  Is it analog or digital?  What process(es) modify it, at what points, and what difference does it make?

What is the ‘ABILITY TO TAKE A GUESS’?  How is it manifested and how is it utilized when  an intelligence creates a theory?  a musical composition?  a plan?  a story plot line?

What is a guess?  How does ‘guess’ relate to ‘plan’ and to ‘imagination?  Are there factors that feed into/influence the guess?  Is a guess random?  If not, what regularity does it exhibit?  Is it algorithmic?  What algorithm?  Or how is the specific algorithm used chosen?
What justifies embedding ‘guess’ into the “flow” that defines “intelligence” when the ability to guess is generally taken to be an act of intelligence?  How is it we only find guessing happening when we find ‘molecular intelligence’ in your sense, i.e., biology?
(You do realize that a random number generator in a computer program does not ‘guess’?)


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Why is your rubbish not made obsolete by Edgar Postrado's rubbish?

   
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It is also unreasonable to expect out of place detail that would limit the theory to only one level of intelligence (brains) of a model that has to work for any behavior, intelligent or not.


Since you see intelligence darn near everywhere at all levels, in your opinion what behavior would qualify as not intelligent, and why?

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 18 2015,09:53   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Mar. 18 2015,07:16)
 
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Mar. 17 2015,10:05)
 
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Mar. 17 2015,06:42)
I made progress showing the same network as neurons. Stay tuned..

Which would be completely irrelevant to the documented claims that the PSC VB code of 2011/11/22 had "NEURONS".

It doesn't matter what Gary goes on to do after his embarrassing episode of saying that he had things in his code that manifestly do not exist. That faux pas is documented and does exist.

I seriously don't have time for your defamatory word games that go in circles until even you are dizzy from them.

What Gary really doesn't have time for is trying to support the exaggerated, false claims about what he has coded.

Gary is confused. The truth is incapable of being defamatory.

If I were wrong, Gary could correct me simply by pointing out the file and line numbers in his PSC VB code of 2011/11/22 showing the implementation of the neural model that corresponds to what Lehman and Stanley used. The fact that Gary has not done so, and instead chooses to deploy false and provocative language in response, indicates that he cannot do so.

 
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4. Presence of NEURONS like Lehman and Stanley in PSC VB code: FALSE


Pointing to later not-neural-network code isn't responsive. Pointing to other people's research isn't responsive.

The status of Gary's claim remains stable.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 18 2015,13:01   

Wes wrote:  
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The status of Gary's claim remains stable.


Yeah, flatlined.  :)  :)  :)

Whatta hoot!  Dead in the head, but still a hoot!!!!!!!!!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 18 2015,13:33   

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Wes wrote:  
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The status of Gary's claim remains stable.


Yeah, flatlined.  :)  :)  :)

Whatta hoot!  Dead in the head, but still a hoot!!!!!!!!!

He may be the only man on the internet with an IQ of absolute zero.
(What are the odds he'll understand this without googling?)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 18 2015,15:27   

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Wes wrote:    
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The status of Gary's claim remains stable.


Yeah, flatlined.  :)  :)  :)

Whatta hoot!  Dead in the head, but still a hoot!!!!!!!!!

He may be the only man on the internet with an IQ of absolute zero.
(What are the odds he'll understand this without googling?)

Well, he's smart enough to do a nice job of modelling shapes of finch beaks, but how he manages to do that while remaining willfully blind to humungous shortcomings in all his intelligence-related stuff is beyond me.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 19 2015,05:15   

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I no longer have the cartoon, but I think of Gary more along the lines of the guy with the gun to his own head asserting to his wife "Don't laugh, you're next!"

He's a very poor parody of Don Quixote.




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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 19 2015,06:46   

Quote (Lethean @ Mar. 19 2015,06:15)
Quote (k.e.. @ Mar. 17 2015,10:27)
 
Quote (NoName @ Mar. 17 2015,18:23)
I no longer have the cartoon, but I think of Gary more along the lines of the guy with the gun to his own head asserting to his wife "Don't laugh, you're next!"

He's a very poor parody of Don Quixote.



That's the one!
Gary, conversing with Science.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 19 2015,08:42   

Going back to Gary's claim to only model what hasn't been modeled before, as I was going through papers*, I ran across a copy of this one from 1999 on evolving artificial neural networks for autonomous agents and how something like place cells emerges.

* I'm prepping for a move, so I am applying a few heuristics to lighten things up: Can I get it from the internet or a library? (Keeping grey literature, dissertations, etc.) Have I even looked at it or thought about it in the five years since the last move? Would I miss it that much if we had a fire and it went away anyway?

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 19 2015,18:38   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Mar. 19 2015,08:42)
Going back to Gary's claim to only model what hasn't been modeled before, as I was going through papers*, I ran across a copy of this one from 1999 on evolving artificial neural networks for autonomous agents and how something like place cells emerges.

* I'm prepping for a move, so I am applying a few heuristics to lighten things up: Can I get it from the internet or a library? (Keeping grey literature, dissertations, etc.) Have I even looked at it or thought about it in the five years since the last move? Would I miss it that much if we had a fire and it went away anyway?

You sound jealous.

Interesting paper. But it's not for modeling how intelligent cause works, at multiple levels of organization.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 19 2015,18:42   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Mar. 19 2015,19:38)
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Mar. 19 2015,08:42)
Going back to Gary's claim to only model what hasn't been modeled before, as I was going through papers*, I ran across a copy of this one from 1999 on evolving artificial neural networks for autonomous agents and how something like place cells emerges.

* I'm prepping for a move, so I am applying a few heuristics to lighten things up: Can I get it from the internet or a library? (Keeping grey literature, dissertations, etc.) Have I even looked at it or thought about it in the five years since the last move? Would I miss it that much if we had a fire and it went away anyway?

You sound jealous.

Interesting paper. But it's not for modeling how intelligent cause works, at multiple levels of organization.

You can't even identify what intelligence is, let alone have the vaguest notion how to model it.  But it all starts with being able to specify what it is.
You can't.
You lose.
QED

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 19 2015,20:24   

That cartoon posted above a couple of days ago reminds me of a scene in the movie version of The Wild Wild West. Artie was wearing an "impermeable" (vest) and asked the bad guy to have his minion shoot him in the heart. The bad guy said "shoot him in the head". Artie then said "damn".  :p

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 19 2015,23:24   

Quote (NoName @ Mar. 20 2015,02:42)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Mar. 19 2015,19:38)
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Mar. 19 2015,08:42)
Going back to Gary's claim to only model what hasn't been modeled before, as I was going through papers*, I ran across a copy of this one from 1999 on evolving artificial neural networks for autonomous agents and how something like place cells emerges.

* I'm prepping for a move, so I am applying a few heuristics to lighten things up: Can I get it from the internet or a library? (Keeping grey literature, dissertations, etc.) Have I even looked at it or thought about it in the five years since the last move? Would I miss it that much if we had a fire and it went away anyway?

You sound jealous.

Interesting paper. But it's not for modeling how intelligent cause works, at multiple levels of organization.

You can't even identify what intelligence is, let alone have the vaguest notion how to model it.  But it all starts with being able to specify what it is.
You can't.
You lose.
QED

He's not talking about intelligence here. Intelligent causes is ID speak for god. He talking about MODELING the act of creation by the ID  GOD of the Christian Bible FFS.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 20 2015,03:10   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Mar. 19 2015,18:38)
 
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Mar. 19 2015,08:42)
Going back to Gary's claim to only model what hasn't been modeled before, as I was going through papers*, I ran across a copy of this one from 1999 on evolving artificial neural networks for autonomous agents and how something like place cells emerges.

* I'm prepping for a move, so I am applying a few heuristics to lighten things up: Can I get it from the internet or a library? (Keeping grey literature, dissertations, etc.) Have I even looked at it or thought about it in the five years since the last move? Would I miss it that much if we had a fire and it went away anyway?

You sound jealous.

Interesting paper. But it's not for modeling how intelligent cause works, at multiple levels of organization.

Let's review.

 
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7.A. Gary's claim that he only models what has never been modelled before: FALSE, given his re-implementation of Heiserman robots and even his citation of Heiserman.

7.B. Gary's claim that he only models what has never been modelled before: FALSE, given his stated topic of an attractor network model of grid and place cells and the 2011 review article showing that such models were already in existence back in 2007.


The issue is what Gary does model, not what he claims to "Let's Pretend!" his code means. Gary's PSC VB code is a partial re-implementation of Heiserman's robotics code, and has no bearing upon "multiple levels", where those "levels" are claimed to be scaled as Gary has stated.

But Gary has confused himself yet again, because he has released code for an attractor network approach to grid and place cells. It says so in the comments in his GridCellNetwork.frm file. And Gary has claimed to only model what has not been modeled before. The record of computer modeling on the topic I previously showed extended back at least to 2007, well before Gary turned his attention to the topic. Now, the field of modeling related to place cells can be documented going back to 1999.

The "only" phrasing in Gary's  claim is universal; he must defend every work he has released as being unique to computer modeling in order to sutain it. And yet we have seen that Gary has no interest in sustaining the claim. Gary instead spouts irrelevancies and insults. Gary's claim is in multiple ways demonstrably FALSE.

The status of the claim appears quite stable.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 20 2015,11:05   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Mar. 19 2015,18:38)
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Mar. 19 2015,08:42)
Going back to Gary's claim to only model what hasn't been modeled before, as I was going through papers*, I ran across a copy of this one from 1999 on evolving artificial neural networks for autonomous agents and how something like place cells emerges.

* I'm prepping for a move, so I am applying a few heuristics to lighten things up: Can I get it from the internet or a library? (Keeping grey literature, dissertations, etc.) Have I even looked at it or thought about it in the five years since the last move? Would I miss it that much if we had a fire and it went away anyway?

You sound jealous.

How on Earth can anyone read that as sounding jealous??!!

I suspect massive amounts of projection.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 20 2015,11:28   

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Quote (GaryGaulin @ Mar. 19 2015,18:38)
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Mar. 19 2015,08:42)
Going back to Gary's claim to only model what hasn't been modeled before, as I was going through papers*, I ran across a copy of this one from 1999 on evolving artificial neural networks for autonomous agents and how something like place cells emerges.

* I'm prepping for a move, so I am applying a few heuristics to lighten things up: Can I get it from the internet or a library? (Keeping grey literature, dissertations, etc.) Have I even looked at it or thought about it in the five years since the last move? Would I miss it that much if we had a fire and it went away anyway?

You sound jealous.

How on Earth can anyone read that as sounding jealous??!!

I suspect massive amounts of projection.

That or he seriously expects Wesley to be jealous that Gary's life is unburdened with files and reference materials and supporting paperwork of various forms, and so could move to that cute spot under the bridge with very little effort.

With Gary, it's hard to tell which of his abundance of lunacies one is confronting at any given time.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 20 2015,11:56   

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That or he seriously expects Wesley to be jealous that Gary's life is unburdened with files and reference materials and supporting paperwork of various forms, and so could move to that cute spot under the bridge with very little effort.


Or Wesley is jealous that he can't make unsupported assertions and expect to have them accepted as a "theory" or "model".

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 20 2015,13:54   

My scanner software makes pdfs that are very compact. I can do about ten pages a minute. Not easy for bound books, but pretty easy for unbound stuff.

Protects stuff like letters and diplomas and such from disasters.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 20 2015,16:37   

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My scanner software makes pdfs that are very compact. I can do about ten pages a minute. Not easy for bound books, but pretty easy for unbound stuff.

Protects stuff like letters and diplomas and such from disasters.

Fujitsu makes a cool document scanner that goes for about $500, results in OCR'd PDFs. In the meantime, I have a copy stand and a digicam for things that I don't want to part with entirely, but am determined not to physically move again.

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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 20 2015,17:51   

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That or he seriously expects Wesley to be jealous that Gary's life is unburdened with files and reference materials and supporting paperwork of various forms, and so could move to that cute spot under the bridge with very little effort.


Or Wesley is jealous that he can't make unsupported assertions and expect to have them accepted as a "theory" or "model".

How did you like Wesley's backing up of the "evolving intelligence" claim?

What did you find to be the most compelling evidence? The requirement that their Avidian can reach a goal (like a guided missile does)? LOL!!

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