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Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 04 2016,09:10    Red herring? And I thought that most of the time they just flounder.

KevinB Posts: 525 Joined: April 2013 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 04 2016,09:47    Quote (Henry J @ Nov. 04 2016,09:10) Red herring? And I thought that most of the time they just flounder. No, the flounder is just a red herring. The oil of ad hominem is used to dilute the argument down below Dembski's limit (much like homeopathy.)

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 04 2016,12:08    Quote (KevinB @ Nov. 04 2016,09:47) Quote (Henry J @ Nov. 04 2016,09:10) Red herring? And I thought that most of the time they just flounder. No, the flounder is just a red herring. The oil of ad hominem is used to dilute the argument down below Dembski's limit (much like homeopathy.) You might need a tincture of agit-prop to catalyze the process.

Soapy Sam Posts: 659 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 04 2016,13:51    Flounder and carp. -------------- SoapySam is a pathetic asswiper. Joe G BTW, when you make little jabs like “I thought basic logic was one thing UDers could handle,” you come off looking especially silly when you turn out to be wrong. - Barry Arrington

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 04 2016,14:26    carp diem.

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 04 2016,16:58    JohnnyB: Quote I have been thinking of doing a high-school textbook on ID theory, but have been waiting to see what Marks and Ewert come out with in January. My guess is that it will be too technical for the average reader, but I figure I’ll wait and see what it looks like. Someone should mention to him that it is against the law to teach ID in school.

Amadan Posts: 1337 Joined: Jan. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 04 2016,18:30    I leave this place for a while to check out the potential for intelligent life in this system, and dropback and find that Trump is at 43%? Fer feck's sake lads, what the everloving fuck is wrong with this planet to let let that happen? -------------- "People are always looking for natural selection to generate random mutations" - Densye  4-4-2011 JoeG BTW dumbass- some variations help ensure reproductive fitness so they cannot be random wrt it.

Cubist Posts: 558 Joined: Oct. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 04 2016,19:47    Quote (Amadan @ Nov. 04 2016,18:30) I leave this place for a while to check out the potential for intelligent life in this system, and dropback and find that Trump is at 43%? Fer feck's sake lads, what the everloving fuck is wrong with this planet to let let that happen? Donald "Angry Cheeto" Trump is to the USA, what Hitler was to Germany, and what Mussolini was to Italy. All three worked from the same playbook.

Woodbine Posts: 1218 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 04 2016,22:58    Quote (Amadan @ Nov. 05 2016,00:30) I leave this place for a while to check out the potential for intelligent life in this system, and dropback and find that Trump is at 43%? Fer feck's sake lads, what the everloving fuck is wrong with this planet to let let that happen? Edited by stevestory on Nov. 06 2016,00:45

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 05 2016,00:36    Quote (Woodbine @ Nov. 04 2016,20:58) Quote (Amadan @ Nov. 05 2016,00:30) I leave this place for a while to check out the potential for intelligent life in this system, and dropback and find that Trump is at 43%? Fer feck's sake lads, what the everloving fuck is wrong with this planet to let let that happen? The ever-esoteric Woodbine strikes again. -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

Ptaylor Posts: 1180 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 05 2016,05:05    Quote (fnxtr @ Nov. 05 2016,17:36) The ever-esoteric Woodbine strikes again. Pretty certain Woodbine is referring to Planet of the Apes. -------------- We no longer say: “Another day; another bad day for Darwinism.” We now say: “Another day since the time Darwinism was disproved.” -PaV, Uncommon Descent, 19 June 2016

Lethean Posts: 292 Joined: Jan. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 05 2016,07:50    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Nov. 04 2016,16:58) JohnnyB:     Quote I have been thinking of doing a high-school textbook on ID theory, but have been waiting to see what Marks and Ewert come out with in January. My guess is that it will be too technical for the average reader, but I figure I’ll wait and see what it looks like. Someone should mention to him that it is against the law to teach ID in school. I worked up an outline of a few potential chapters for Johnny. Hat tip to a few previous comments in the thread.     Quote Intelligent Design Mathematics - Convoluted Large Odds Calculation (Deniability By The Numbers) - On The Proper Widths Of Gaps And Goalpost Placement (Flexibility Is Your Friend) - The Second Law of Thermal Dynamics (Boxers Or Briefs ?) - FIASCO (It's Not Just An Acronym) Irrelevant Darwinist Materialistic "Science" - Why Common Descent Doesn't Matter (Topic Avoidance And You Part I) - Why The Age Of The Earth Doesn't Matter  (Topic Avoidance And You Part II) - Why What The Designer Did Where And When Doesn't Matter (Topic Avoidance And You Part III) - Why The Identity Of The Designer Doesn't Matter (Shhhhh, It's Jesus) ID Jobs Of The Future - Lecturing (How To Travel Light And Survive On The Church Circuit) - Journal Editing (How To Peer-Review And Edit Non-Existant Or Irrelevant Papers) - Authoring Books (Out Of The Basement On To Amazon) - Discovery Institute Fellow (Hey, It Could Happen) Supplemental Chapter By Guest Author BA77 PhDud - Quantum Under The Shroud (Scripture, YouTube, and You) Edited by stevestory on Nov. 06 2016,00:41 -------------- "So I'm a pretty unusual guy and it's not stupidity that has gotten me where I am. It's brilliance." "My brain is one of the very few independent thinking brains that you've ever met. And that's a thing of wonder to you and since you don't understand it you criticize it." ~Dave Hawkins~

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 05 2016,10:47    Quote (Lethean @ Nov. 05 2016,15:50) Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Nov. 04 2016,16:58) JohnnyB:     Quote I have been thinking of doing a high-school textbook on ID theory, but have been waiting to see what Marks and Ewert come out with in January. My guess is that it will be too technical for the average reader, but I figure I’ll wait and see what it looks like. Someone should mention to him that it is against the law to teach ID in school. I worked up an outline of a few potential chapters for Johnny. Hat tip to a few previous comments in the thread.     Quote Intelligent Design Mathematics - Convoluted Large Odds Calculation (Deniability By The Numbers) - On The Proper Widths Of Gaps And Goalpost Placement (Flexibility Is Your Friend) - The Second Law of Thermal Dynamics (Boxers Or Briefs ?) - FIASCO (It's Not Just An Acronym) Irrelevant Darwinist Materialistic "Science" - Why Common Descent Doesn't Matter (Topic Avoidance And You Part I) - Why The Age Of The Earth Doesn't Matter  (Topic Avoidance And You Part II) - Why What The Designer Did Where And When Doesn't Matter (Topic Avoidance And You Part III) - Why The Identity Of The Designer Doesn't Matter (Shhhhh, It's Jesus) ID Jobs Of The Future - Lecturing (How To Travel Light And Survive On The Church Circuit) - Journal Editing (How To Peer-Review And Edit Non-Existant Or Irrelevant Papers) - Authoring Books (Out Of The Basement On To Amazon) - Discovery Institute Fellow (Hey, It Could Happen) Supplemental Chapter By Guest Author BA77 PhDud - Quantum Under The Shroud (Scripture, YouTube, and You) POTW! -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 05 2016,12:19    Quote (Ptaylor @ Nov. 05 2016,03:05)   Quote (fnxtr @ Nov. 05 2016,17:36) The ever-esoteric Woodbine strikes again. Pretty certain Woodbine is referring to Planet of the Apes. I know. I just thought it was particularly subtle. eta I was thinking Liberty One should be POTW -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 05 2016,13:58    Mullings in one of his WTF OPs defending his pet FIASCO concept: Quote So, when something as intuitively obvious and easily demonstrated as configuration-based, functionally specific complex organisation and/or associated (explicit or implicit) information — FSCO/I — becomes a focus for objections, that is an implicit sign of its central importance and potential impact on the prevailing a priori materialism school of thought. So, if I think that something is intuitively obvious, like the universal attraction women have towards me, then the more women disagree with what I think is intuitively obvious, the more likely it is to be true. This thought won't help my love life, but it makes me feel better. Thanks Gordo. Somehow, I think that to Mullings, "intuitively obvious" is synonymous with "sadly delusional".

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 05 2016,14:01    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Nov. 05 2016,13:58) Mullings in one of his WTF OPs defending his pet FIASCO concept:   Quote So, when something as intuitively obvious and easily demonstrated as configuration-based, functionally specific complex organisation and/or associated (explicit or implicit) information — FSCO/I — becomes a focus for objections, that is an implicit sign of its central importance and potential impact on the prevailing a priori materialism school of thought. So, if I think that something is intuitively obvious, like the universal attraction women have towards me, then the more women disagree with what I think is intuitively obvious, the more likely it is to be true. This thought won't help my love life, but it makes me feel better. Thanks Gordo. Somehow, I think that to Mullings, "intuitively obvious" is synonymous with "sadly delusional". Can I get a POTW nod for this? Or do I have to hire paid lobbyists? Edited by stevestory on Nov. 06 2016,00:40

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 05 2016,16:29    In the future everyone will get a POTW for 15 minutes. Edited by stevestory on Nov. 06 2016,00:44 -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 05 2016,16:36    For certain values of W? (Or maybe it's for uncertain values instead?)

KevinB Posts: 525 Joined: April 2013 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 05 2016,17:22    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Nov. 05 2016,13:58) Mullings in one of his WTF OPs defending his pet FIASCO concept: I hope his pet FIASCO doesn't eat frogs, otherwise he'll get himself in hot water with the Montserrat wildlife protection people.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 05 2016,18:44    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Nov. 05 2016,15:01) Can I get a POTW nod for this? Or do I have to hire paid lobbyists? I'll make you a deal--put a link to KF's comment in it and I'll give you 2 POTWs.

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 05 2016,19:14    Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 05 2016,18:44) Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Nov. 05 2016,15:01) Can I get a POTW nod for this? Or do I have to hire paid lobbyists? I'll make you a deal--put a link to KF's comment in it and I'll give you 2 POTWs.  :D Mullings crap Do I get three POTWs if I mention that the OP includes a blown up image of a fishing reel?

Woodbine Posts: 1218 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 05 2016,20:03    Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 06 2016,00:44)   Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Nov. 05 2016,15:01) Can I get a POTW nod for this? Or do I have to hire paid lobbyists? I'll make you a deal--put a link to KF's comment in it and I'll give you 2 POTWs.  :D

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 05 2016,23:49    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Nov. 05 2016,20:14) Do I get three POTWs if I mention that the OP includes a blown up image of a fishing reel? I like the links because back in the day when they'd have two dozen people commenting on half a dozen threads that they were letting run 500, 800 comments, it was a nightmare to follow everything happening there and here. Now that Uncommon Descent seems to be almost deserted, it's not so important, but it's still nice.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 06 2016,01:13    Quote 3 rvb8November 5, 2016 at 11:03 pm So chrystals and snowflakes have ‘complexity’ but no ‘specificity’? And if crystals lack ‘complexity’ because they are repeated molecules, can they gain, develop, evolve, complexity? You are saying some things are plainly designed because they have, ‘complexity’ and ‘specificity’? You, that is Kairos, have taken Dembski’s CSI and invented a new acronym FSCO/I, to what end exactly? To convince whom exactly? Design detection appears to be your goal, and what happens when you detect design? Will you use the eternal science stopper; ‘no need for further investigation, the designer has left Her/His/Its undeniable mark’? At some point you must realise no one, but us here, are paying attention. Being noticed, and being popular are two massive motivations that Darwin realised are central to compitition, survival, and evolution. Thank you for proving our case! You waste a lot of ink repeating the same thing, and each time you expect a different outcome? This is the defintion of something that escapes me at the moment. am i wrong in thinking that rvb8 and a few others are getting away with stuff they wouldn't have a year ago?

KevinB Posts: 525 Joined: April 2013 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 06 2016,13:54    Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 05 2016,23:49)   Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Nov. 05 2016,20:14) Do I get three POTWs if I mention that the OP includes a blown up image of a fishing reel? I like the links because back in the day when they'd have two dozen people commenting on half a dozen threads that they were letting run 500, 800 comments, it was a nightmare to follow everything happening there and here. Now that Uncommon Descent seems to be almost deserted, it's not so important, but it's still nice. Running the obvious search on YouTube brought up this....        Attack of the Tumbleweed Since another video that was turned up was "Tumbleweed Invasion", we might have an explanation for KF's maps.

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 06 2016,14:39    Quote (Amadan @ Nov. 04 2016,18:30) I leave this place for a while to check out the potential for intelligent life in this system, and dropback and find that Trump is at 43%? Fer feck's sake lads, what the everloving fuck is wrong with this planet to let let that happen? A few days ago someone on twitter suggested that if you are invited to a Halloween party, you should turn up, break everything & then just say you've come as 2016. Remember at the start of the year when we were bemoaning 2016 taking such great musicians? Turns out, they were just the warm-up act. -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 06 2016,18:22    Quote 3 jimmontgNovember 6, 2016 at 6:17 pm I don’t know about all this as I believe Daniel’s 70th week was fulfilled by our Lord and the Apostles to Israel in the first century. As for the ‘Anti Christ well again it is a matter of interpretation and I do not subscribe to John Darby’s Dispensationalism. There have been and are many antiChrists. Many people in other traditions not Western thoroughly believe Mohammed was The Antichrist and judging from the behavior of his followers it has more credence than thinking the Clintons and Obama are The AntiChrist. To be sure, they are anti christian and therefore anti Christs. I am of the opinion that just before the Lord returns there will be a persecution of christians that has never been seen before, this is happening all over the world (Israel is still a big persecutor of christians btw) and is only barely beginning here. Look around and watch as the evil Clinton gang take the WH again. I wished Trump would win, but I don’t know if he will. Once the Supreme Court is changed to the left the rights we have now will disappear along with the Constitution. A state’s rights issue becomes a new meaning of marriage? Folks, it’s gone and not even Trump could fix it, the American people are mired in sin as are too many in the Church. I personally believe Clinton will start WWIII, but that’s just me. As for UFOs being demons, maybe, but I also worked in the defense industry and many of the UFOs are our own high tech. Look up Nassikas quantum thruster. Who knows what is going on? It is all speculation and the demonic connection to UFOs does have some evidence behind it, but not all have been messing with the occult. derp

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 06 2016,21:14    Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 06 2016,18:22) Quote 3 jimmontgNovember 6, 2016 at 6:17 pm snip... I also worked in the defense industry and many of the UFOs are our own high tech. Look up Nassikas quantum thruster. Who knows what is going on? It is all speculation and the demonic connection to UFOs does have some evidence behind it, but not all have been messing with the occult. derp No wonder we have aircraft that can't stay in the air and they can't find half the money they get. -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 06 2016,23:34    Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 06 2016,16:22) Quote 3 jimmontgNovember 6, 2016 at 6:17 pm (snip) As for UFOs being demons, maybe, but I also worked in the defense industry and many of the UFOs are our own high tech. Look up Nassikas quantum thruster. Who knows what is going on? It is all speculation and the demonic connection to UFOs does have some evidence behind it, but not all have been messing with the occult. derp -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 07 2016,23:51    Quote 5 rvb8   November 7, 2016 at 11:19 pm “whereas the basic architecture of life is inherently linguistic.” Fish don’t talk, they’re alive. Come to think of it so are trees, with an abundent lack of language. Is someone now going to mock my poor understanding of the use of the word, ‘linguistic’? Memory Foam mattresses are not living, got it. But they exhibit a property of memory, in returning to an original shape, got it, I think. These material things that go back to an original shape are not actively choosing this, but are merely obeying physics; got it, I think. These things bare no resemblance to ‘Biological memory’! Really? Biology follows different physical laws to Memory Foam? Which ones? Nobels in the offing. linky

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