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stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,15:09    PCID was never an ID journal? That's so dumb I suspect you aren't Telic Thoughts's Guts, but rather someone trying to make him look bad.

Albatrossity2 Posts: 2780 Joined: Mar. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,15:10    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,14:56) Unless you're not proposing a replacement theory, that is a fundamental flaw in your logic. Was this addressed to me? If so, where's the flaw? Does classical mechanics still explain a lot of stuff?  Yes. Does quantum mechanics explain stuff that classical mechanics can't explain? Yes. Did quantum mechanics completely "replace" classical mechanics? No. Should a new paradigm explain things that the older paradigm can't explain? Yes. Does it have to replace it? No. Do some IDists want to replace evolutionary theory with ID? Yes. Will Nelson answer the question?  All signs point to no. But here it is again, in case the stench from all of your red herrings made you forget about it. What predictions have been made, on the basis of ID principles, that allowed experimental testing, and for which the results of those experiments supported ID and cannot be accommodated by evolutionary theory? -------------- Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind Has been obligated from the beginning To create an ordered universe As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.                         - Pattiann Rogers

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,15:10    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,15:06) lol PCID was never an actual ID journal they invited all kinds of complexity theorists. Real scientists rules out ID? -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,15:11    Why do you think they invited Kaufmann and other self-organization theorists. You are quite ignorant.

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,15:11    Quote (Dr.GH @ July 06 2008,13:07) Is "guts" Nelson? The dawn appears. Edited to add (because I can): I was wondering if "guts" was DaveTard on speed. Yeah, 'Guts' is Nelson's Internet-Tough-Guy name. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,15:13    Albatrossity2, You cannot possibly take those examples from physics and make a general "law" out of it. Sometimes you will propose an extension to the theory that completes it, especially when you're talking about historical sciences, it just sheds things in a better light. You cannot possibly be serious with those examples from physics.

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,15:13    Quote (Nelson @ July 06 2008,13:06) lol PCID was never an actual ID journal they invited all kinds of complexity theorists. So all those articles that HAVEN'T appeared in PCID are all by 'complexity theorists'. I see. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,15:14    nelson? -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,15:14    Steve, Now it's quite clear that you are both scientifically illiterate and ignorant of basic facts.

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,15:15    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,13:13) Albatrossity2, You cannot possibly take those examples from physics and make a general "law" out of it. Sometimes you will propose an extension to the theory that completes it, especially when you're talking about historical sciences, it just sheds things in a better light. You cannot possibly be serious with those examples from physics. Another nonanswer, Nelson. Call us faggots. That'll show us. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Albatrossity2 Posts: 2780 Joined: Mar. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,15:15    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,15:13) Albatrossity2, You cannot possibly take those examples from physics and make a general "law" out of it. Sometimes you will propose an extension to the theory that completes it, especially when you're talking about historical sciences, it just sheds things in a better light. You cannot possibly be serious with those examples from physics. It's not a "law", strawboy. It's an example. What predictions have been made, on the basis of ID principles, that allowed experimental testing, and for which the results of those experiments supported ID and cannot be accommodated by evolutionary theory? [chirp chirp] -------------- Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind Has been obligated from the beginning To create an ordered universe As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.                         - Pattiann Rogers

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,15:15    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ July 06 2008,15:13) Quote (Nelson @ July 06 2008,13:06) lol PCID was never an actual ID journal they invited all kinds of complexity theorists. So all those articles that HAVEN'T appeared in PCID are all by 'complexity theorists'. I see. The journal never took off. I am not an insider so I don't know what happened and don't care.

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,15:16    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,13:14) Steve, Now it's quite clear that you are both scientifically illiterate and ignorant of basic facts. Well, you're about to start talking about science any second now, right Nelson? -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,15:17    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,13:15) Quote (Arden Chatfield @ July 06 2008,15:13) Quote (Nelson @ July 06 2008,13:06) lol PCID was never an actual ID journal they invited all kinds of complexity theorists. So all those articles that HAVEN'T appeared in PCID are all by 'complexity theorists'. I see. The journal never took off. I am not an insider so I don't know what happened and don't care. You don't care why a 'major' ID journal hasn't done anything in 2+ years? -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,15:17    something's gay, Frost is a liar, this is a 'piece of shit board', I'm scientifically illiterate....I would advise everyone to have some skepticism. This might not be the real 'guts'.

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,15:17    Quote It's not a "law", strawboy. It's an example. Then why did you even mention them? Thats rather retarded.

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,15:17    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,15:06) lol PCID was never an actual ID journal they invited all kinds of complexity theorists.     Quote Progress in Complexity, Information, and Design (PCID) is a quarterly, cross-disciplinary, online journal     Quote Articles accepted to the journal  must first be submitted to the ISCID archive. To be accepted into the archive, articles need to meet basic scholarly standards and be relevant to the study of complex systems. Once on the archive, articles passed on by at least one ISCID fellow will be accepted for publication. The  journal  will be published in electronic form only (there will be no print version).     Quote The editorial advisory board peer-reviews articles submitted to the society's journal and comprises the society fellows.   Quote ISCID is pleased to announce the latest issue of PCID, Volume 3.1 November 2004. The journal features papers from Royal Truman, Jonathan Wells, Paul Nelson and others. Bold for Guts benefit. All from http://www.iscid.org/ and http://www.iscid.org/pcid.php I can understand if you don't go there much Guts. Easy mistake to make. They seem to think it's a journal however. EDIT: The link and logo even says "the journal" -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,15:18    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,16:15) The journal never took off. I am not an insider so I don't know what happened and don't care. No research papers to publish.

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,15:19    Quote (Nelson @ July 06 2008,13:17)   Quote It's not a "law", strawboy. It's an example. Then why did you even mention them? Thats rather retarded. Another nonanswer, tough guy. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Albatrossity2 Posts: 2780 Joined: Mar. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,15:19    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,15:17) Quote It's not a "law", strawboy. It's an example. Then why did you even mention them? Thats rather retarded. Because you seem to need examples. That's also why I answered my own questions in a previous comment, to show you how it works. Let's see you try to answer one. What predictions have been made, on the basis of ID principles, that allowed experimental testing, and for which the results of those experiments supported ID and cannot be accommodated by evolutionary theory? [chirp chirp snooooooze] -------------- Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind Has been obligated from the beginning To create an ordered universe As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.                         - Pattiann Rogers

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,15:20    Quote I can understand if you don't go there much Guts. Easy mistake to make. They seem to think it's a journal however Maybe you should take some basic reading comprehension classes. I never said it wasn't a journal, I said it wasn't specifically an ID journal. Dumbass.

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,15:20    Quote (stevestory @ July 06 2008,15:18) Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,16:15) The journal never took off. I am not an insider so I don't know what happened and don't care. No research papers to publish. At least "bible code" tried... -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,15:21    Quote Because you seem to need examples. That's also why I answered my own questions in a previous comment, to show you how it works. Let's see you try to answer one. So do you or do you not believe that your examples from physics apply generally?

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,15:22    Quote (stevestory @ July 06 2008,15:09) PCID was never an ID journal? That's so dumb I suspect you aren't Telic Thoughts's Guts, but rather someone trying to make him look bad. Put a link up on TT "Guts" to prove you are who you say you are.

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,15:23    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,15:20) Quote I can understand if you don't go there much Guts. Easy mistake to make. They seem to think it's a journal however Maybe you should take some basic reading comprehension classes. I never said it wasn't a journal, I said it wasn't specifically an ID journal. Dumbass. Why don't you put the content through the EF, Guts, and tell us what you think they're banging on about? ETA a "t" -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,15:24    Is that english?

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,15:27    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,13:20)   Quote I can understand if you don't go there much Guts. Easy mistake to make. They seem to think it's a journal however Maybe you should take some basic reading comprehension classes. I never said it wasn't a journal, I said it wasn't specifically an ID journal. Dumbass. That your final answer, tough guy?   Quote Progress in Complexity, Information, and Design (PCID) is a quarterly, cross-disciplinary, online journal that investigates complex systems apart from external programmatic constraints like materialism, naturalism, or reductionism. PCID focuses especially on the theoretical development, empirical application, and philosophical implications of information- and design-theoretic concepts for complex systems. PCID welcomes survey articles, research articles, technical communications, tutorials, commentaries, book and software reviews, educational overviews, and controversial theories. The aim of PCID is to advance the science of complexity by assessing the degree to which teleology is relevant (or irrelevant) to the origin, development, and operation of complex systems. BTW, if it's not ID, why is Dembski on their editorial board?   Quote So do you or do you not believe that your examples from physics apply generally? So, Nelson, why do you refuse to answer Albatrossity's questions? -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,15:27    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,15:24) Is that english? Must...change...subject..... ETA: No, it isn't. It has a big "E'. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Albatrossity2 Posts: 2780 Joined: Mar. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,15:28    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,15:21) So do you or do you not believe that your examples from physics apply generally? We can discuss that when/if you ever answer my question, which is, I think, a lot more pertinent to the topic of ID and science in general. By my count you have posted 20 comments since you claimed that you answer questions. None of them has been an answer to this simple question. What predictions have been made, on the basis of ID principles, that allowed experimental testing, and for which the results of those experiments supported ID and cannot be accommodated by evolutionary theory? -------------- Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind Has been obligated from the beginning To create an ordered universe As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.                         - Pattiann Rogers

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,15:30    Quote BTW, if it's not ID, why is Dembski on their editorial board? Once again your reading comprehension is atrocious. I didn't say it wasn't ID either.

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