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Posted: July 06 2008,12:25

Howdy all,

Wow. How many pages of throwing accusations and general sniping is on this thread? All for what?

What I don't understand is how come people want to get Guts to come out to this board when he has what he posted on his own board? What's the fear in that? As for the name calling, why do so many on this board come on out to insult instead of keeping quiet and letting a person speak? I know I had issues when I was trying to discuss things around here. All you want to do is hitting back at those who are being incredibly disrespectful.

Is that what the evolutionist, er sorry Lou, Evil Nazi Evilutionist agenda is all about? Shout someone down and have them stop even trying?

One last thing and this is to Guts. I have registered on the TT board and I even tried to post something this morning. It was never posted it concerns the posts between Zach, olegt and yourself. When I posted it, I got a message saying that it was, "Under Moderator Review". How long does it take to see a posting up on the board?

Thanks

PS, I hope everyone's 4th was better than mine. All it did was rain. Yeah, having 3 kids of your own and a bunch of relatives kids out by the beach in a single wide trailer (no, it's not our home thank you) is no fun.

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Posted: July 06 2008,12:28

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I'm not the one that came here and started a mindless thread to attack my website, if you have something substantive to say against anything write, say it. So far, I only see faggotry, which is pathetic.

Nelson, your mom told you to get your ass out of her basement and get a job. You're an embarrassment.

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Posted: July 06 2008,12:29

Quote (lcd @ July 06 2008,12:25)

Wow. �How many pages of throwing accusations and general sniping is on this thread? �All for what?

The amazing thing is everyone can see them and discuss their merits. They're not vanished away somewhere. Personally, I wont register at Telic Tards because I doubt any of my posts would get through.

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Posted: July 06 2008,12:33

Quote (lcd @ July 06 2008,10:25)

Howdy all,

Wow. �How many pages of throwing accusations and general sniping is on this thread? �All for what?

What I don't understand is how come people want to get Guts to come out to this board when he has what he posted on his own board? �What's the fear in that? �As for the name calling, why do so many on this board come on out to insult instead of keeping quiet and letting a person speak? �I know I had issues when I was trying to discuss things around here. �All you want to do is hitting back at those who are being incredibly disrespectful.

Is that what the evolutionist, er sorry Lou, Evil Nazi Evilutionist agenda is all about? �Shout someone down and have them stop even trying?

One last thing and this is to Guts. �I have registered on the TT board and I even tried to post something this morning. �It was never posted it concerns the posts between Zach, olegt and yourself. �When I posted it, I got a message saying that it was, "Under Moderator Review". �How long does it take to see a posting up on the board?

Thanks

PS, I hope everyone's 4th was better than mine. �All it did was rain. �Yeah, having 3 kids of your own and a bunch of relatives kids out by the beach in a single wide trailer (no, it's not our home thank you) is no fun.

LCD, I assume this is your coy way of admitting you're never going to answer the backed up questions on the other thread?

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Posted: July 06 2008,12:36

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ July 06 2008,12:28)

Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,05:47)

I'm not the one that came here and started a mindless thread to attack my website, if you have something substantive to say against anything write, say it. So far, I only see faggotry, which is pathetic.

Nelson, your mom told you to get your ass out of her basement and get a job. You're an embarrassment.

Faggotry? Oh hark, the bigot.

Guts, you're a shoitehawk. simple as.

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Posted: July 06 2008,12:36

Who is this "guts" person? Are they on drugs?

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Posted: July 06 2008,12:40

Quote (Dr.GH @ July 06 2008,10:36)

Who is this "guts" person? Are they on drugs?

Nah, he's just intoxicated with his own stupidity.

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Posted: July 06 2008,13:04

Quote (lcd @ July 06 2008,12:25)

As for the name calling, why do so many on this board come on out to insult instead of keeping quiet and letting a person speak? �I know I had issues when I was trying to discuss things around here. �All you want to do is hitting back at those who are being incredibly disrespectful.

lcd

Perhaps you could read this thread again, starting with Guts' first postings... When did the name-calling start? Frankly, given the grade-school level of his comments here, I think an objective observer would say that most of the regulars exhibited remarkable restraint.

But let's not just take my word for it. Let's go to the evidence.

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Guts first reply on this thread, after posting three without a response: "You're obviously scientifically illiterate."

second reply: "I'll post another example of deception" (later shown by Wes to not be an example of deception after all).

third reply: "It'll be fun excersize (sic) for the comming (sic) weeks to continue to point out just how deceptive the denizens of AE can be"

fourth reply: "You guys should get out of the dark ages, these board functions suck"

After a non-abusive reply from Dr.GH, a fifth reply: "you're nothing but an alcoholic, so you're not in any way credible."

sixth and seventh reply, all with no intervening comments by anyone else: "What with your ultra darwinist beliefs, its pathetic." "piece of shit board. you guys must be dumbasses"

after a non-abusive comment by dnmlthr, this response: "I have more evidence for my position than you have for the existence of your own brain. Please"

Choice insults from some of his other 90 posts

"You don't know my position? That's pathetic, you're completely ignorant and yet you let this thread continue, pathetic."

"What a waste of brain cells you are."

"you are weak in terms of intellectual debate." (note the intellectual content of his comments to this point...)

"How about we debate your complete and utter Incompetence ? That seems like a good debate."

"Do you think your mother would be proud of something like that?"

"You're a moron and you should realize this undisputable (sic) fact of life."

"No thats (sic) me conceding that you're a retard."

"No i'm (sic) trying to provoke actual thought, which is absent here. No one knows my position? Are you friggin kidding me? This thread is pages and pages long, and accusations abound, but no one knows my position? How batshit insane is that. I could write a book on it."

"Because this thread is obviously not about evidence or logic, it's about who can throw the best turd."

Etc.
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In 90 comments he merely bloviated, despite several polite requests to state a position and have a real intellectual debate. He hurled insults from the very beginning. What part of that makes you proud to be associated with his side?

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Posted: July 06 2008,13:09

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ July 06 2008,12:33)

LCD, I assume this is your coy way of admitting you're never going to answer the backed up questions on the other thread?

No, that would be incorrect.

The stuff is not easy. It is and I'm reluctant to admit it harder than I thought. I haven't been working on it this weekend because I thought I'd be in the surf and having some fun.

One thing though. I can't help but note what I'd call a double standard here. First, Newton came up with "Classical Physics". Now science took that as truth for what, 300 years? Then we had Relativity. Now it's Quantum Physics. So what about GUT? I keep reading where they say it exists but nobody can find it.

I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but Dembski's EF seems to be a great start, the "Classical Theory" also known as the first step. Why must ID be perfect the first time when mainstream science still hasn't gotten it right?

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Posted: July 06 2008,13:10

Albatrossity: Actually, I think he had 20-30 or so posts under his belt prior to his latest visit, bringing his latest spree to 60-70 or so.

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Posted: July 06 2008,13:22

Quote (lcd @ July 06 2008,19:09)

One thing though. I can't help but note what I'd call a double standard here. First, Newton came up with "Classical Physics". Now science took that as truth for what, 300 years? Then we had Relativity. Now it's Quantum Physics. So what about GUT? I keep reading where they say it exists but nobody can find it.

I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but Dembski's EF seems to be a great start, the "Classical Theory" also known as the first step. Why must ID be perfect the first time when mainstream science still hasn't gotten it right?

lcd: Classical physics is still usable, more than anything else it's a matter of scale. Neither relativity nor QM have replaced newtonian physics for day-to-day* stuff that goes on on the surface of the planet. As for grand unified theories, work is being done, but who knows where it will lead?

The EF, on the other hand, has yet to produce any testable predictions at all.

Edit:
Contrast that with the theory that they're not trying to augment (see examples above) but completely supplant, which is in use every single day all across the globe.
End of edit.

* I'm sure someone around here uses both on a daily basis, but you get my point.

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Posted: July 06 2008,13:25

Quote (lcd @ July 06 2008,13:09)

I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but Dembski's EF seems to be a great start, the "Classical Theory" also known as the first step. �Why must ID be perfect the first time when mainstream science still hasn't gotten it right?

Strawman. Who said it had to be perfect? �It just has to work as advertised, and lead to predictive hypotheses that can lead to experiments that can generate more support for the notion.

That's where ID fails. The EF has not been demonstrated to work on any biological system, it leads to no predictive hypotheses or experiments, and thus there has been no experimental support.

Furthermore, when you say that "mainstream science still hasn't gotten it right" you are ignoring the fact that science is always provisional. Old theories get replaced by new ones IF the evidence supports the new theory, and IF the new theory has greater explanatory power. In many cases the old theory still has some value as well (your example of classical physics is a good one in that regard).

If you think that ID has greater explanatory power, it is your responsibility to show us the evidence for that. If you do so, it will be a first, since Dembski, Behe, Wells and their ilk have demonstrated nothing of the sort.

If you want to call this response a "flame", then go ahead. But it seems pretty civil to me.

ps - thanks, dnmlthr, for the correction. I hadn't run across his posts before, and it sure seemed like he ran up 90 posts last night!

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Posted: July 06 2008,13:31

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ July 06 2008,14:04)

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Quote (lcd @ July 06 2008,12:25)

As for the name calling, why do so many on this board come on out to insult instead of keeping quiet and letting a person speak? �I know I had issues when I was trying to discuss things around here. �All you want to do is hitting back at those who are being incredibly disrespectful.

lcd

Perhaps you could read this thread again, starting with Guts' first postings... When did the name-calling start? Frankly, given the grade-school level of his comments here, I think an objective observer would say that most of the regulars exhibited remarkable restraint.

But let's not just take my word for it. Let's go to the evidence.

===

Guts first reply on this thread, after posting three without a response: "You're obviously scientifically illiterate."

second reply: "I'll post another example of deception" (later shown by Wes to not be an example of deception after all).

third reply: "It'll be fun excersize (sic) for the comming (sic) weeks to continue to point out just how deceptive the denizens of AE can be"

fourth reply: "You guys should get out of the dark ages, these board functions suck"

After a non-abusive reply from Dr.GH, a fifth reply: "you're nothing but an alcoholic, so you're not in any way credible."

sixth and seventh reply, all with no intervening comments by anyone else: "What with your ultra darwinist beliefs, its pathetic." "piece of shit board. you guys must be dumbasses"

after a non-abusive comment by dnmlthr, this response: "I have more evidence for my position than you have for the existence of your own brain. Please"

Choice insults from some of his other 90 posts

"You don't know my position? That's pathetic, you're completely ignorant and yet you let this thread continue, pathetic."

"What a waste of brain cells you are."

"you are weak in terms of intellectual debate." (note the intellectual content of his comments to this point...)

"How about we debate your complete and utter Incompetence ? That seems like a good debate."

"Do you think your mother would be proud of something like that?"

"You're a moron and you should realize this undisputable (sic) fact of life."

"No thats (sic) me conceding that you're a retard."

"No i'm (sic) trying to provoke actual thought, which is absent here. No one knows my position? Are you friggin kidding me? This thread is pages and pages long, and accusations abound, but no one knows my position? How batshit insane is that. I could write a book on it."

"Because this thread is obviously not about evidence or logic, it's about who can throw the best turd."

Etc.
===

In 90 comments he merely bloviated, despite several polite requests to state a position and have a real intellectual debate. He hurled insults from the very beginning. What part of that makes you proud to be associated with his side?

Guts.

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Posted: July 06 2008,13:32

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ July 06 2008,06:45)

Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,05:43)

refuting, dam you dumbasses can't even implement a simple edit function. How dumb is that?

You don't get edit till you have shown you can be trusted not to go back and delete your own comments when they become an embarrassment to you.

...and given what I've seen to that point in this thread, I wouldn't suggest anyone hold their breath on that edit button.

Looks like y'all are having some fun. �I can't believe none of you biatches dropped me an email...

:p

Edited because I can.

Edited by Lou FCD on July 06 2008,14:33

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Posted: July 06 2008,13:37

Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,07:27)

Quote (Alan Fox @ July 06 2008,06:24)

Ah I think Nelson/Guts is attempting the debating tactic of provoking a banning, sometimes referred to as "death by Cop", I believe.

This is all very illuminating, Sir.

(Edited for spelling)

No i'm trying to provoke actual thought, which is absent here. No one knows my position? Are you friggin kidding me? This thread is pages and pages long, and accusations abound, but no one knows my position? How batshit insane is that. I could write a book on it.

I'd suggest you start a little closer to home, Nellie.

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Posted: July 06 2008,13:55

Well, the handful of pages that went up between last night and this morning were more fun than a barrel of monkeys.

ETA: okmaybenot

Edited by Lou FCD on July 06 2008,14:55

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Posted: July 06 2008,14:17

Quote (lcd @ July 06 2008,11:09)

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Quote (Arden Chatfield @ July 06 2008,12:33)

LCD, I assume this is your coy way of admitting you're never going to answer the backed up questions on the other thread?

No, that would be incorrect.

The stuff is not easy. �It is and I'm reluctant to admit it harder than I thought. �I haven't been working on it this weekend because I thought I'd be in the surf and having some fun.

One thing though. �I can't help but note what I'd call a double standard here. �First, Newton came up with "Classical Physics". �Now science took that as truth for what, 300 years? �Then we had Relativity. �Now it's Quantum Physics. �So what about GUT? �I keep reading where they say it exists but nobody can find it.

I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but Dembski's EF seems to be a great start, the "Classical Theory" also known as the first step. �Why must ID be perfect the first time when mainstream science still hasn't gotten it right?

We'll take that as a 'no, I won't' to my original question.

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Posted: July 06 2008,14:22

Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,07:06)

Carlson using stars to simulate "emotes" that is so weird, i gotta tell ya.

That's it? I spend two and a half hours crammed like a sardine in a 757, then scurry like mad between terminals to catch my puddle-jumper home, all in anticipation of some witty riposte from you, and that is the best you come up with?

You are so gay.

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Posted: July 06 2008,14:23

No using stars to do emotes is gay.

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Posted: July 06 2008,14:26

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In 90 comments he merely bloviated, despite several polite requests to state a position and have a real intellectual debate. He hurled insults from the very beginning. What part of that makes you proud to be associated with his side?

Yeah welcome to troll city. This is what ID proponents have to deal with on a daily basis.

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Posted: July 06 2008,14:26

Quote (Nelson @ July 06 2008,12:23)

No using stars to do emotes is gay.

You seem quite obsessed with homosexuality. What's that about?

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Posted: July 06 2008,14:26

Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,14:23)

No using stars to do emotes is gay.

pleased i didn't fall into Teh_gay_trap. This is fulla stars.

edit: yes.

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Posted: July 06 2008,14:27

You're the one that mentioned gay first, not me.

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Posted: July 06 2008,14:27

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ July 06 2008,12:40)

Quote (Dr.GH @ July 06 2008,10:36)

Who is this "guts" person? Are they on drugs?

Nah, he's just intoxicated with his own stupidity.

Reminds me of this classic exchange from The Matchmaker:

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Marcy Tizard: Is being an idiot like being high all the time?

Sean Kelly: No, it's like being constantly right.

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Posted: July 06 2008,14:27

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In 90 comments he merely bloviated, despite several polite requests to state a position and have a real intellectual debate. He hurled insults from the very beginning. What part of that makes you proud to be associated with his side?

Yeah welcome to troll city. This is what ID proponents have to deal with on a daily basis.

Well it's better than putting up with "research", "experiments" and "science", eh?

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Posted: July 06 2008,14:29

That doesn't make sense, those are things you do at a lab, but then sometimes you want to come home and relax in front of the computer. Thats when you have to deal with trolls.

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Posted: July 06 2008,14:30

Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,14:23)

No using stars to do emotes is gay.

I crumble in the face of your rapier-like wit.

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Posted: July 06 2008,14:30

Quote (Nelson @ July 06 2008,12:27)

You're the one that mentioned gay first, not me.

Whoops:

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Quote (Nelson @ July 06 2008,05:47)

I'm not the one that came here and started a mindless thread to attack my website, if you have something substantive to say against anything write, say it. So far, I only see faggotry, which is pathetic.

Try again.

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