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Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 17 2015,22:14    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Nov. 17 2015,21:28) Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Nov. 17 2015,20:36) Apparently I have committed Berra's blunder. Whatever the fuck that is. Whatever crap Barry spews must be gospel Apparently "Berra's blunder" is committing the crime of using automobiles in an analogy to explain an evolutionary concept.  IDiots like Barry are too stupid to understand analogies and can only focus on "But it's a CAR!!  That means it was DESIGNED!!!" No one ever lost money underestimating the intelligence of your average UD Creationist.   :D And, apparently, I have been banned again. Damn, who would have seen that coming?

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 18 2015,03:09    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Nov. 17 2015,16:58) STOP THE PRESSES!  STOP THE PRESSES! That intellectual fountain of Creationist knowledge Bio-Complexity finally published its first article of 2105! Bio-Complexity 2015 Of course it's the usual hand waving, this time from junior IDiot in training Winston Ewert.  Ewert has once again "disproved evolution" by making his own custom computer simulations of evolution and watching the population crash when he runs them.  Can anyone say John Sanford / Mendel's Accountant?  :D Love this, from p3: Quote It should be noted that this process is intended to be a basic genetic algorithm. It makes no effort to include any of the more advanced features found in some genetic algorithms. It is also does not attempt to be true to the models of population genetics. It should not be taken as an attempt to form a biologically realistic model. It is simply an algorithm loosely based on Darwinian evolution. It is however close enough that some have argued that its success is indicative of the power of Darwinian evolution. Suggests the title should be Overabundant mutations help potentiate evolution: The effect of biologically realistic mutation rates on biologically unrealistic computer models of evolution. A more technical analysis: he only has point mutations, and a population size of 2000 in the first simulations, and 10000 in the second. In the second he starts from a monomorphic population. There's no recombination and no sex - even though we know it's important for evolution is smaller populations. -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 18 2015,07:36    @Bob - and of course, like all things ID it's about what evolution can't do rather than what ID can do.. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Quack Posts: 1961 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 18 2015,07:55    Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 18 2015,07:36) @Bob - and of course, like all things ID it's about what evolution can't do rather than what ID can do.. That is the bottom line and can't be stressed often enough. It is as simple as that. -------------- Rocks have no biology.               Robert Byers.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 18 2015,11:47    Quote Impassioned denunciations of the late Rachel Carson are both unhelpful and a straightforward Alinskyite demonization of someone who is no longer around to defend themselves in print or in court against defamation. She is no more responsible for the millions of deaths from malaria than is Charles Darwin for the millions who were killed in the Nazi Holocaust. Betcha Banny didn't see THAT coming!

rthearle Posts: 15 Joined: May 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 18 2015,14:31    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Nov. 17 2015,16:58) STOP THE PRESSES!  STOP THE PRESSES! That intellectual fountain of Creationist knowledge Bio-Complexity finally published its first article of 2105! Bio-Complexity 2015 Of course it's the usual hand waving, this time from junior IDiot in training Winston Ewert.  Ewert has once again "disproved evolution" by making his own custom computer simulations of evolution and watching the population crash when he runs them.  Can anyone say John Sanford / Mendel's Accountant?  :D "These typically use per-nucleotide (or nearest analogue) mutation rates orders of magnitude higher than biological rates. This paper compares models using typical rates for genetic algorithms with the same models using a realistic mutation rate." I bet he doesn't use realistic genome or population sizes.

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 18 2015,14:47    One thing I deduce from the frequency and timing of Barry's posts is that his valuable time is not being wasted by serving a large number of clients.

Zachriel Posts: 2723 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 18 2015,16:49    Quote (CeilingCat @ Nov. 18 2015,14:47) One thing I deduce from the frequency and timing of Barry's posts is that his valuable time is not being wasted by serving a large number of clients. Speaking of which, Barry Arrington goes into insane denial mode. http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....al-mode -------------- You never step on the same tard twice—for it's not the same tard and you're not the same person.

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 18 2015,17:22    Quote (Zachriel @ Nov. 18 2015,16:49)   Quote (CeilingCat @ Nov. 18 2015,14:47) One thing I deduce from the frequency and timing of Barry's posts is that his valuable time is not being wasted by serving a large number of clients. Speaking of which, Barry Arrington goes into insane denial mode. http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....al-mode What else did you expect from Banny Arrogant?  The man's colossal ego won't let him be wrong or shut up.  Ever. -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 18 2015,17:52    Quote (Zachriel @ Nov. 18 2015,16:49) Quote (CeilingCat @ Nov. 18 2015,14:47) One thing I deduce from the frequency and timing of Barry's posts is that his valuable time is not being wasted by serving a large number of clients. Speaking of which, Barry Arrington goes into insane denial mode. http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....al-mode 15 years of Darwinism study down the drain. The man doesn't even know what Darwin wrote in his most famous book. Much less what he did outside the arena of evolution. -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

someotherguy Posts: 398 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 18 2015,17:53    Quote (Zachriel @ Nov. 18 2015,16:49) Quote (CeilingCat @ Nov. 18 2015,14:47) One thing I deduce from the frequency and timing of Barry's posts is that his valuable time is not being wasted by serving a large number of clients. Speaking of which, Barry Arrington goes into insane denial mode. http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....al-mode One of the many interesting aspects about reading Darwin is realizing how many aspects of modern evolutionary thinking he actually anticipated, even if he did not always recognize the significance at the time.  The dude was an astonishing genius. -------------- Evolander in training

The whole truth Posts: 1554 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 18 2015,19:51    Quote (Zachriel @ Nov. 18 2015,14:49) Quote (CeilingCat @ Nov. 18 2015,14:47) One thing I deduce from the frequency and timing of Barry's posts is that his valuable time is not being wasted by serving a large number of clients. Speaking of which, Barry Arrington goes into insane denial mode. http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....al-mode Has arrington ever not been in insane denial mode? -------------- Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 19 2015,04:08    Quote (Zachriel @ Nov. 18 2015,16:49)   Quote (CeilingCat @ Nov. 18 2015,14:47) One thing I deduce from the frequency and timing of Barry's posts is that his valuable time is not being wasted by serving a large number of clients. Speaking of which, Barry Arrington goes into insane denial mode. http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....al-mode Mapou is such a sweet person.  Polite and measured in his writing.  A wonderful spokesman for religion:   Quote 30 Mapou November 18, 2015 at 7:31 pm Every fervent religionist wants his religion to be the one true religion and Zachriel is no different. The problem is, Zachriel is the most dishonest and dumb Darwinist I’ve ever had the displeasure of knowing. The man is a sociopath who lies continually out of habit. I seriously doubt that he has ever converted anybody to anything. I especially like this little P.S. Soon, the hammer comes down, Zachriel. Very soon.

Zachriel Posts: 2723 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 19 2015,10:50    Quote (someotherguy @ Nov. 18 2015,17:53)     Quote (Zachriel @ Nov. 18 2015,16:49)     Quote (CeilingCat @ Nov. 18 2015,14:47) One thing I deduce from the frequency and timing of Barry's posts is that his valuable time is not being wasted by serving a large number of clients. Speaking of which, Barry Arrington goes into insane denial mode. http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....al-mode One of the many interesting aspects about reading Darwin is realizing how many aspects of modern evolutionary thinking he actually anticipated, even if he did not always recognize the significance at the time.  The dude was an astonishing genius. Comparing the various editions resolved the issue.     Quote Darwin, Origin of Species 1866: It is a more important consideration, clearly leading to the same result, as lately insisted on by Dr. Falconer, namely, that the periods during which species have been undergoing modification, though very long as measured by years, have probably been short in comparison with the periods during which these same species remained without undergoing any change. We may infer that this has been the case, from there being no inherent tendency in organic beings to become modified or to progress in structure, and from all modifications depending, firstly on long-continued variability, and secondly on changes in the physical conditions of life, or on changes in the habits and structure of competing species, or on the immigration of new forms; and such contingencies will supervene in most cases only after long intervals of time and at a slow rate. These changes, moreover, in the organic and inorganic conditions of life will affect only a limited number of the inhabitants of any one area or country. http://darwin-online.org.uk/Varioru....66.html That should settle that. Note that Darwin doesn't only indicate that stasis occurs, but explains why it should occur, all while touching on allopatric speciation. -- ETA: It may read more accurately as sympatric speciation. Close but no cigar for Charles. ETA: Peripatric speciation perhaps. Maybe a cigarette for Charles. Edited by Zachriel on Nov. 20 2015,06:14 -------------- You never step on the same tard twice—for it's not the same tard and you're not the same person.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 19 2015,11:09    seriously doubt Barry's '15 years studying Darwinism' included reading any of darwin's books. If my sock had worked out i'd ask him myself.

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 19 2015,11:09    Scooping Stephen Gould by a hundred years or so. But no foul, because Gould wrote countless essays explaining how Darwin anticipated modern findings, or at least noticed a problem to be solved. -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

KevinB Posts: 525 Joined: April 2013 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 19 2015,11:13    Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 19 2015,11:09) seriously doubt Barry's '15 years studying Darwinism' included reading any of darwin's books. If my sock had worked out i'd ask him myself. He was probably studying accurate, authoritative texts by such authors as Jack Chick.

Zachriel Posts: 2723 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 19 2015,11:30    Quote (Zachriel @ Nov. 19 2015,10:50) That should settle that. Or not ... -------------- You never step on the same tard twice—for it's not the same tard and you're not the same person.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 19 2015,11:37    Barry didn't apologize, admit his error, and promise to review darwin's works?

Zachriel Posts: 2723 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 19 2015,11:44    Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 19 2015,11:37) Barry didn't apologize, admit his error, and promise to review darwin's works? Not yet! -------------- You never step on the same tard twice—for it's not the same tard and you're not the same person.

Zachriel Posts: 2723 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 19 2015,12:12    Quote (Zachriel @ Nov. 19 2015,11:30) Quote (Zachriel @ Nov. 19 2015,10:50) That should settle that. Or not ... Now they're arguing that Darwin is not an authority on Darwin's theory. -------------- You never step on the same tard twice—for it's not the same tard and you're not the same person.

Zachriel Posts: 2723 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 19 2015,12:48    Quote (Zachriel @ Nov. 19 2015,12:12)   Quote (Zachriel @ Nov. 19 2015,11:30)     Quote (Zachriel @ Nov. 19 2015,10:50) That should settle that. Or not ... Now they're arguing that Darwin is not an authority on Darwin's theory. Your comment is awaiting moderation. -------------- You never step on the same tard twice—for it's not the same tard and you're not the same person.

Zachriel Posts: 2723 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 19 2015,13:23    Quote (Zachriel @ Nov. 19 2015,12:48) Quote (Zachriel @ Nov. 19 2015,12:12)   Quote (Zachriel @ Nov. 19 2015,11:30)     Quote (Zachriel @ Nov. 19 2015,10:50) That should settle that. Or not ... Now they're arguing that Darwin is not an authority on Darwin's theory. Your comment is awaiting moderation. Interesting. The moderated comment is @93, but logging off re-numbers the comments. That could cause all sorts of troubles when people make reference to previous comments that either get moderated or deleted. -------------- You never step on the same tard twice—for it's not the same tard and you're not the same person.

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 19 2015,18:27    Barry: Quote To those who believe in the fall and the curse that followed it, degradation of the genome through the accumulation of junk would be unsurprising. And to think, just the other day he was arguing that ID predicts little to no junk DNA.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 20 2015,10:54    Quote (Zachriel @ Nov. 19 2015,13:12) Quote (Zachriel @ Nov. 19 2015,11:30)   Quote (Zachriel @ Nov. 19 2015,10:50) That should settle that. Or not ... Now they're arguing that Darwin is not an authority on Darwin's theory. That's how stupid Dummy Darwin was. He didn't even understand his own theory!

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 20 2015,11:01    Quote (stevestory @ Nov. 20 2015,10:54) Quote (Zachriel @ Nov. 19 2015,13:12) Quote (Zachriel @ Nov. 19 2015,11:30)   Quote (Zachriel @ Nov. 19 2015,10:50) That should settle that. Or not ... Now they're arguing that Darwin is not an authority on Darwin's theory. :p That's how stupid Dummy Darwin was. He didn't even understand his own theory! I keep reading over at UD that there is no theory of evolution.

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 20 2015,11:10    There is no theory of evolution that is known to Mung.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 20 2015,11:21    can't wait for Banny and the Diptards' reactions to this story

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 20 2015,11:34    peteFun nails Bully:     Quote Look – it’s going to be hard to admit when you’re wrong when you accuse someone of “insane denialism”. I know you can’t possibly backtrack now. It would indicate that what you call “insane denialism” is actually a reasonable alternative interpretation you failed to foresee, so you really have no “out”. But whatever gets page views, I guess. 126 peteFun November 19, 2015 at 9:44 pm That's Bully: Out on a limb with no way to crawl back.  Don't worry though.  In Barryland, insults constitute an effective reply to any evidence or argument.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Nov. 20 2015,11:46    dembski more or less abandoning ID.

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