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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,14:27   



Hey, mister? Are you hungry? I got a Baby Ruth

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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dogdidit



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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,14:33   

Dude just pick ONE question, everybody will follow along.

But *hint* make it a sciency one. Who gives a rat's ass about Mao? (sorry Arden) You got a bunch a science types here (plus chatty kibbitzers like yours truly). Ask a SCIENCE question. Like maybe one about *stares at ceiling for a minute* oh, I dunno, EVOLUTION maybe??

Or crap, okay, atheistic killer Darwinistictators.

Or the part where Darwin himself advocated "culling the weak". That was...in which of his works does that appear, again?

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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,14:37   

Quote (dogdidit @ July 01 2008,12:33)
Dude just pick ONE question, everybody will follow along.

But *hint* make it a sciency one. Who gives a rat's ass about Mao? (sorry Arden) You got a bunch a science types here (plus chatty kibbitzers like yours truly). Ask a SCIENCE question. Like maybe one about *stares at ceiling for a minute* oh, I dunno, EVOLUTION maybe??

Or crap, okay, atheistic killer Darwinistictators.

Or the part where Darwin himself advocated "culling the weak". That was...in which of his works does that appear, again?

I'd be happy just to hear about why we don't have 'dats'.

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Chayanov



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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,14:48   

I liked lcd better when it was badly written screeds about Hovind. Went from that to "I really want to discuss the science with you all" to "I'm very busy writing posts about how I don't have time to answer any of your questions" to "I know you are, but what am I" to "Stop persecuting me!" to even more childish insults. I find hypocritical proselytizing very boring. How long untill we start getting quotes from Scripture?

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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,14:49   

Quote (Chayanov @ July 01 2008,14:48)
How long untill we start getting quotes from Scripture?

Reminds me of FTK at 10x speed. What next, the flounce out?

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

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Chayanov



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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,14:50   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ July 01 2008,14:49)
Quote (Chayanov @ July 01 2008,14:48)
How long untill we start getting quotes from Scripture?

Reminds me of FTK at 10x speed. What next, the flounce out?

Yeah, at least ftk would draw it out over several days. This is all taking place in a matter of hours.

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carlsonjok



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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,14:55   

Quote (Chayanov @ July 01 2008,14:48)
I liked lcd better when it was badly written screeds about Hovind. Went from that to "I really want to discuss the science with you all" to "I'm very busy writing posts about how I don't have time to answer any of your questions" to "I know you are, but what am I" to "Stop persecuting me!" to even more childish insults. I find hypocritical proselytizing very boring. How long untill we start getting quotes from Scripture?

Has he promised to pray for us yet?  If not, I hope he does so very soon. The way he has batted you Darwinoids around has me sunk into a existential morass and I have chores to do this afternoon.  I'd hate to chance my immortal soul out on the highways and byways if he hasn't offer supplications in my name to God.

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JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,15:00   

Quote (lcd @ July 01 2008,12:18)
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If it's an "explanation of circular logic" you're looking for, here's one.  You might also want to do a google search for remedial English classes.

Once you've learned how to translate what you want to say into strings of words, feel free to try again.

Heh JW, love your sense of humor.

I think you need to complete your courses before you go and offer them up to others though.

Just a thought, I know it's hard for you to do but I bet if you try hard enough, one might actually slip in there despite your best efforts to go through life "blinded by (your idea of) science"!

My best guess is that this is another variation on the theme of "I know you are, but what am I?", but that's just a working hypothesis at the moment.

I'm completely stumped by the last paragraph, though.  "One might slip in there?"  One what?  Slip in where?  What the hell are you on about?

Have you considered reading over what you've written before clicking on "Add Reply", lcd?

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Assassinator



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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,15:00   

Quote (lcd @ July 01 2008,14:22)
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Persecution claims. Check.

If your logic made any sense, you'd be able to answer questions all by your lonesome. It isn't happening.

If you guys would listen, I just might.  As I am fending off so many of you and the questions are coming fast and furious, and smack me down if I don't answer someone's question or one they want to see answered quickly, I may not be able to get to them all.

But I must be going for a while.  Got to get back to the job site.

From now on, I'll only answer those who are at least trying some civility.  It will help me maintain my composure.

Ok then, I'll try:
A couple of posts back, you sad that when ID or Creationism has shown it's science, it has been ridiculed, called lies etc. So can you explain please, what Creationisme and/or ID has done exactly to show that they've done to show they're actually scientific. Because as far as we know, they have not. Maybe you could tell us more about it then.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,15:17   

What the fuck is wrong with engineers?  Almost every time we get some flaming godbot spewing AIG crapola like it has some sort of value, it's an engineer.  Or do they call blocklayers "cement engineers" these days like garbage men are "sanitation engineers"?

To all of you engineers out there who are not asshats, you have my sympathy.

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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,15:24   

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Quote (Chayanov @ July 01 2008,14:48)
I liked lcd better when it was badly written screeds about Hovind. Went from that to "I really want to discuss the science with you all" to "I'm very busy writing posts about how I don't have time to answer any of your questions" to "I know you are, but what am I" to "Stop persecuting me!" to even more childish insults. I find hypocritical proselytizing very boring. How long untill we start getting quotes from Scripture?

Has he promised to pray for us yet?

Natch!

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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,15:28   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ July 01 2008,15:24)
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Has he promised to pray for us yet?

Natch!

Awesome!

*Grabs car keys*

See you suckers later!  Take your comeuppances like big boys!

*Heads out door*

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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,15:29   

lcd,

Dude, I'm telling you.  Skip the Chinese communists.

They're just not as sexy as Nazis.

Go with the Nazis.

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Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

   
Chayanov



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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,15:36   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ July 01 2008,15:24)
Quote (carlsonjok @ July 01 2008,12:55)
 
Quote (Chayanov @ July 01 2008,14:48)
I liked lcd better when it was badly written screeds about Hovind. Went from that to "I really want to discuss the science with you all" to "I'm very busy writing posts about how I don't have time to answer any of your questions" to "I know you are, but what am I" to "Stop persecuting me!" to even more childish insults. I find hypocritical proselytizing very boring. How long untill we start getting quotes from Scripture?

Has he promised to pray for us yet?

Natch!

Seriously, do the churches have some sort of game plan they hand out to prospective martyrs who are going to face off against the evil Darwinists?

"Here, be sure you say and do everything on this list, and we guarantee you'll crush them until they're weeping for Jesus. You won't look stupid at all, trust us."

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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,15:39   

Quote (Chayanov @ July 01 2008,13:36)
Quote (Arden Chatfield @ July 01 2008,15:24)
Quote (carlsonjok @ July 01 2008,12:55)
   
Quote (Chayanov @ July 01 2008,14:48)
I liked lcd better when it was badly written screeds about Hovind. Went from that to "I really want to discuss the science with you all" to "I'm very busy writing posts about how I don't have time to answer any of your questions" to "I know you are, but what am I" to "Stop persecuting me!" to even more childish insults. I find hypocritical proselytizing very boring. How long untill we start getting quotes from Scripture?

Has he promised to pray for us yet?

Natch!

Seriously, do the churches have some sort of game plan they hand out to prospective martyrs who are going to face off against the evil Darwinists?

"Here, be sure you say and do everything on this list, and we guarantee you'll crush them until they're weeping for Jesus. You won't look stupid at all, trust us."

If someone like PZ wrote the list, that would explain a lot.

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Chayanov



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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,15:56   

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If someone like PZ wrote the list, that would explain a lot.

I know, it's like they're being set up to fail. As if this will be the first time we've ever heard statements like "Evolution is religion," or "[Insert name of dictator] was a Darwinist" or "ID isn't religion -- my pastor told me so."

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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,16:06   

Quote (Chayanov @ July 01 2008,13:56)
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If someone like PZ wrote the list, that would explain a lot.

I know, it's like they're being set up to fail. As if this will be the first time we've ever heard statements like "Evolution is religion," or "[Insert name of dictator] was a Darwinist" or "ID isn't religion -- my pastor told me so."

I would be glad to respond to a real creationist, but LCD was so obviously a phony trolling for reactions that I could not be bothered.

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Chayanov



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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,16:08   

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I would be glad to respond to a real creationist, but LCD was so obviously a phony trolling for reactions that I could not be bothered.

True, but the "real" creationists make the exact same arguments. The only difference with a troll is intent.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,16:10   

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Has he promised to pray for us yet?  If not, I hope he does so very soon. The way he has batted you Darwinoids around has me sunk into a existential morass and I have chores to do this afternoon.  I'd hate to chance my immortal soul out on the highways and byways if he hasn't offer supplications in my name to God.


HA HA, this is you.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,16:56   

Quote (Wolfhound @ July 01 2008,15:17)
What the fuck is wrong with engineers?  Almost every time we get some flaming godbot spewing AIG crapola like it has some sort of value, it's an engineer.  Or do they call blocklayers "cement engineers" these days like garbage men are "sanitation engineers"?

To all of you engineers out there who are not asshats, you have my sympathy.

1, I are a engineer.
2. I are not a flaming godbot.
3. I are an asshat..but hey, the first step on the road to recovery, nome sane?
4. "what the fuck is wrong with engineers?" - I ask myself this question EVERY DAMN DAY. Followed shortly by "god I hate us". But at least the pay is good, and they let me play with some interesting toys.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,18:02   

"I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it."

George Bernard Shaw

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bystander



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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2008,21:27   

Quote (Lou FCD @ July 02 2008,01:48)
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There are millions of people who THINK they are Christian.

Real Christians follow God's Word and believe it as such.  If you're going to say, "Well lot's of Christians feel that Evolution and the Bible can both exist", obviously aren't.

I don't mean to offend anyone but how does one say thy ar a full Christian when they pick and choose which parts of God's Word they wish to believe?


 
Quote (lcd @ July 01 2008,14:30)
For other Christians, I offer up only what I read in the Bible.

I don't judge them so I won't say what happens to them.  That is up to God.

As far as Kosher, I am not a full on vegetarian, I eat fish though no shell fish, shrimp, etc., and I'm lactose intolerant.  So no "meat with milk" for me.  So yes, I think I do.

Trust me we've had many "open and intense discussions" at church about following God's Laws.


 
Quote (lcd @ July 01 2008,14:41)
Do I smell a hypocrite here?


Well I certainly do.

Anyone else?

I used to be a real Christian, I even followed all the stuff that contradicted the other stuff.

(HT to Homer Simpson)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 02 2008,02:06   

Hey there Mr. LCD - I have a few questions fer ya:

You wrote before that you don't care for the IRS and wondered why Mr. Hovind was in prison for tax evasion, right?

Well then, would you be so kind as to explain how we (as a society) go about paying for things that we all use - things like, oh, umm, roads?  Or bridges?  Or water distribution systems?  

How about protectionary things - like police and firemen?  or flood controls?

How do you propose to protect us (society) from things like corporate pollution in the name of profit?  How about from religio-fascism?  

And just what are we supposed to do when a natural disaster occurs?  Watch the masses suffer on TV?  Wait (usually forever) for a church to provide monetary help?  Or a business?  Or maybe we ought to cover disaster relief from taxes, too, eh?

Good.  Now that you agree with the rest of us that taxes are necessary - please do like all of the rest of us and PAY YOUR FAIR SHARE AND SHUT THE FUCK UP.

Hovind is in prison where he belongs.  He tried to scam the system, nothing more, nothing less.  He's no better than a thief.  Because that's what tax evaders are.  If you have a problem with that, LCD, well, I'm sure you can find someplace else to live that doesn't tax its residents.

Good luck.  Don't bother writing.  We know how much fun you're having.    :)    :)    :)    :)     :)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 02 2008,02:57   

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What the fuck is wrong with engineers?  Almost every time we get some flaming godbot spewing AIG crapola like it has some sort of value, it's an engineer.

I am also and engineer and I can assure you that you are not seeing a representative sample of engineers' views regarding science.

When you see that a high percentage of the creos are engineers and technicians, part of the explanation is that this is just the flip side of there being so few creo scientists. (Scientists, engineers, and technicians constitute a very high percentage of the people who care either way about the issues discussed here; they are the ones who like to have technical, or at least technical-sounding, explanations for things.)

When you see that there are so many more scientists than engineers arguing the pro-science side, it is simply because it is science that is under attack, not engineering. (To be consistent the creos should be going after engineering too, but that's another topic.)
           
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Or do they call blocklayers "cement engineers" these days like garbage men are "sanitation engineers"?

Yes, that's part of it too.
         
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To all of you engineers out there who are not asshats, you have my sympathy.

Rather than give us sympathy, just welcome us to the pro-science side of the argument. Engineers have a lot more in common with scientists than they do with IDists/creationists. Proper comparisons between Science, Engineering, and ID/Creationism actually undermine ID/Creationist positions.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 02 2008,08:19   

I was going to respond more on this thread, but why bother?

What I've been told about Pro-Evolutionist Boards is partially correct.  The truth it is much worse.

Assassinator, thank you for at least trying to be civil.  I appreciate that.  As for most of the rest you, have fun.  Bask in the glow of having to successfully shouted down any possible discussion.  Your insults and attitude really show how bankrupt th belief in Evolution really is.  You can't show anything so you demand things that you yourselves don't produce.

Little things like evidence and facts.

Speaking of facts, for the evolutionists who wanted me to use incorrect and other things that are just wrong, that shows how deep you'll go to lie.  So what else do you lie about here?  How much "Lying for Darwin" do you do?

Hitler was NOT an atheist.  He didn't follow God to be sure but not following God and being an atheist are two different things.  As for why Mao jailed and killed "Darwinists", well he was a Communist dictator.  He used whatever he wanted to control China and terror was one.  Perhaps he jailed and killed Darwinists because even though they may have been liberal ivory tower types, maybe they were only fellow travellers and "not true communists".

When it comes to condemning others who feel they are Christian but they pick and choose which of God's laws they adhere to, I said too much.  It is not my job to judge them and for that I am sorry that I did.  I wouldn't do what they do and I will council them on what I believe, but in the end God has given them free will to do as they wish.  It is my belief that the road to Heaven is through His Son Jesus and that road is narrow.

No, I am not leaving for good.  I am taking a break.  It seems I posted too much for some people and well, I am not happy with them either.  The best is to back off, cool down and come back later.

Besides, it's the 4th of July weekend coming up and who has such a poor life that they sit at the computer when there's so much to do?

I'll be at the beach starting tomorrow afternoon so have a nice 4th people.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 02 2008,08:34   

Quote (lcd @ July 02 2008,08:19)
I was going to respond more on this thread, but why bother?


Condensed version:
Wah!
Darwinists so mean!
It's Jebus, all the way down!
Mini-flounce!
Wah!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 02 2008,08:45   

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It seems I posted too much for some people and well, I am not happy with them either.  

That's exactly wrong. You certainly have posted a lot, but you never posted anything coherent or factual. People kept asking you to provide examples of all of your claims:

How do you measure "information" in organisms so that one could test your claim that it always decreases with mutations?

Give us an example of the predictive power of ID, since you claimed that "ID can explain those things far better than anything I've ever seen evolution even try."

I've been waiting patiently; I've not been uncivil. But you've never progressed beyond unsupported assertions, whinging about persecution here, irrelevant scare stories about atheism (not science), and evasions.

If that's the best you can do, please stay away. And don't let the door hit you on the way out.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 02 2008,09:34   

It's not possible to be shouted down via text.  You can choose who and what to reply to with every posting of yours.  You chose to respond to the attacks, and you steered clear of the honest questions concerning science.  This is a telling sign.  If you were to respond to a science question of your choice, and have a vigorous discussion about, say, information, or went through a thorough demonstration of the explanatory filter, all of the evil Darwinists would be able to focus on the questions you did answer and not worry about the ones you didn't.

By the way, it is worth mentioning that the Theory of Evolution is an explanation for how life developed on this planet.  It's not a moral compass.  Nobody here is advocating culling the weak, or slaughtering the unfit.  Just like the Theory of Gravity explains why things fall towards earth.  It doesn't mean we should go around making things fall.  It's an explanation for how our universe works.  We don't have to help it any way.  It is what it is, and our morals are what they are.  Blaming mass murderers on Darwin is like blaming a bridge collapse on Newton.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 02 2008,09:39   

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little things like evidence and facts.


pick some that prove all the evilutionists are wrong and the bible predicts it better.  Hey, just for brevity why don't you just take the evilution side?  you don't have to prove your version to be more likely.  You don't even have to have another version.  Show us the science.  You've got it, right?

What is it that you know to be wrong about the  Common descent of organisms via speciation from common ancestors, mediated by mutation, selection, adaptation and ecological interaction, bounded by geography?

What is wrong with that sentence?  

ps wah wah wah does not go over well here.  neither the beating people with the cross part.  if you have

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little things like evidence and facts.


then leave the rhetorical tactics at home.  

if you do not have
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little things like evidence and facts.


just admit it.  The Lard despises a liar.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 02 2008,09:49   

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Little things like evidence and facts.

Like a towering mountain of 150 years worth of evidence and facts, from every relevant scientific discipline, continuing to mount every single day, even as we speak?  You mean little things like that?

Ask Dr. Behe about the little tiny bit of it that was dropped unceremoniously in his lap in a little courtroom in Dover.  I wonder if he's deigned to read any of it yet.

And where are your facts, lcd?  Where lies your evidence?

A dusty old anthology of myths, cobbled together by like-minded old white men, for the purpose of subjugation and control and money and power?

Books by known and demonstrated frauds and con-men, refuted and exposed for the tripe and drivel they are, mercilessly, unrelentingly, by actual scientists with the expertise so utterly lacking in their authors?

Random internet whines by sycophantic buffoons who ban and silence those who would educate them?

Special Sunday sermons from delusional Pastor Joe, ranting and spitting and frothing at the evils of reality?

Where, lcd?  Where does your evidence lie?  It lies not in a lab or in a field.  

It lies not in the literature rigorously tested and found competent by biologists who give their lives for the betterment of mankind and the furtherance of knowledge.

Your "evidence" comes straight from the board room of a marketing department in Seattle.  If you are real, then you are a fool, wallowing in your ignorance, happy and content to be a pig in his sty, oblivious to your date with the slaughterhouse.  You are nothing more than a commodity to be sold at market to line the pockets of the gluttonous pig farmers at the Discovery Institute.

I understand O'Leary has placed a bid for your ham-hocks.

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