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Tony M Nyphot

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Posted: July 04 2016,15:59

A couple of random comments from UD:

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Excuse me. English is the language of the Internet and aerospace. Change that, will you, and then get back to us.
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William J Murray July 4, 2016 at 8:01 am

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rvb8 said:
Now, being born in the USA does not bestow virtue, just as it does not bestow blame; where your parents had sex is exactly 100% out of the child’s control, it is happinsatnce, dumb good luck (or bad luck if your parents are from the Congo).

Your metaphysical template is not binding on others. I disagree that anything about the circumstances we are born into is “luck”; I believe we choose the circumstances we are born into.
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I distinctly chose to be born to parents with wealth and fame. What the hell happened?

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Posted: July 04 2016,16:03

ROFLMAO! I'm sure CandiceC does not exist and this is just a bit of clumsy marketing, but it is so appropriate for UD!

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1 CandiceC July 4, 2016 at 8:21 am

I have never been a fan of science. Maybe it is because I do not understand it. It is too complicated for me. I always had low grades, so I was forced to use Australian essay writing service help online. Anyway, I now try to reach the material that can help me understand usual things from the science point of view. It is awesome that we now have many online recourses now only for the students and written in a very simple manner. By the way, thank you for your website. Even though it is very hard to understand sometimes, I still try hard.

In the Regularity as a Philosophically Neutral Philosophy of Science thread to boot! I haven't read the OP yet, but I'm sure it has something to do with laxatives.

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Posted: July 04 2016,16:05

Holy Shit!

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Larry Moran wants Royal Society evo meeting cancelled!

July 4, 2016 Posted by News under Culture, Darwinism, Evolution, News

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Larry MoranJuly 4, 2016 at 2:48 pm
Larry Moran (me) does not want the meeting cancelled. I’ve already booked my flight to London and reserved a place to stay. I’m really looking forward to meeting some of those people. I love the controversy and the fights.

However, I do think the Royal Society is going to regret its decision to host the meeting. This is not a group that enjoys negative publicity and there’s going to be a lot of negative publicity.

I’m predicting that they may cancel the meeting because the IDiots and the kooks are gloating about destroying evolution.

It will be interesting to see how many ID people show up. I’m betting that Denyse O’Leary won’t be there. I’ll buy her a beer if she comes.

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Larry MoranJuly 4, 2016 at 2:55 pm
bornagain77 whines,

Indeed, he, and few other crogidy old Darwinists, came across to most onlookers looking like grumpy old die-hards who refused to admit they were wrong even when faced of tremendous empirical evidence to the contrary.

The ENCODE leaders retracted their claim in 2014. They say their views about the demise of junk DNA were misinterpreted by the media.

A huge majority of knowledgeable evolutionary biologists and molecular biologists now agree that most of our genome is junk.

bornagain77 and his diehard friends are the ones who refuse to admit they were wrong. Many ID proponents have conceded that there’s a lot of junk DNA in our genome.

LOL

Edited by stevestory on July 04 2016,17:07

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Posted: July 04 2016,16:09

Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ July 04 2016,16:59)

A couple of random comments from UD:

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Excuse me. English is the language of the Internet and aerospace. Change that, will you, and then get back to us.
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William J Murray July 4, 2016 at 8:01 am

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rvb8 said:
Now, being born in the USA does not bestow virtue, just as it does not bestow blame; where your parents had sex is exactly 100% out of the child’s control, it is happinsatnce, dumb good luck (or bad luck if your parents are from the Congo).

Your metaphysical template is not binding on others. I disagree that anything about the circumstances we are born into is “luck”; I believe we choose the circumstances we are born into.
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I distinctly chose to be born to parents with wealth and fame. What the hell happened?

What thread is that on?

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Posted: July 04 2016,16:40

Salvador Cordoba has three BS degrees.

How appropriate.

He's listed as a speaker at the Blyth Institute's "Alternatives to Naturalism" conference, but when you click on his talk you get another copy of Steven Meyer's talk. This could be a simple error (the Blyth Institute is run out of JohnnyB's garage) or maybe JohnnyB knows the kind of work Salvador does and the error is by Design, not chance. At least, that's my inference and I'm sticking to it.

By the way, Meyer's talk is on Leibnitz's Toolbox, which Steve invented himself.

For those wishing to get edumacated, the Blyth Institute's web page is here.

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Posted: July 04 2016,16:41

Quote (stevestory @ July 04 2016,15:09)

Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ July 04 2016,16:59)

A couple of random comments from UD:

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News July 3, 2016 at 4:02 am
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Excuse me. English is the language of the Internet and aerospace. Change that, will you, and then get back to us.
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William J Murray July 4, 2016 at 8:01 am

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rvb8 said:
Now, being born in the USA does not bestow virtue, just as it does not bestow blame; where your parents had sex is exactly 100% out of the child’s control, it is happinsatnce, dumb good luck (or bad luck if your parents are from the Congo).

Your metaphysical template is not binding on others. I disagree that anything about the circumstances we are born into is “luck”; I believe we choose the circumstances we are born into.
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I distinctly chose to be born to parents with wealth and fame. What the hell happened?

What thread is that on?

News' comment is on the Brexit: Celebrate an asshat thread

WJM's is on the Scientific Dissent/Securities Fraud thread

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Posted: July 04 2016,17:12

Exxon scientists figured out 40 years ago that Global Warming was a thing. Exxon executives respond by lying for decades, telling everyone it's not a thing. Now we find out Exxon knew and was lying.

Fine. That happens. Greed is powerful.

But now Barry is defending Exxon's right to lie by saying it's constitutionally protected free speech.

OK. Maybe they have a right to lie. Probly not, but that's a legal question. Horrible behavior is often legal.

Here's what makes it Uncommonly Dense: Barry still believes the lies.

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Posted: July 04 2016,18:05

when someone like Larry Moran shows up at UD, that's the closest I'll ever get to participating in the Marshall McLuhan bit from Annie Hall.

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Origenes asks,

If most of our genome is junk, then where is the information stored for the (adult) body plan? Where is the information stored for e.g. the brain? And where is the information stored for how to build all this?

Those are difficult, and loaded, questions. It would take a long time to explain why the questions have no meaning.

Let’s try another approach. Surely you can agree that professional biologists are interested in such questions, right? If those experts accept the evidence that 90% of our genome is junk, which most of them do, then this seems to be a paradox, right?

The apparent paradox can be resolved in two ways. Either these experts do not see a need to encode body plans and brain in our genome OR the evidence for junk DNA is wrong.

Which do you think is more likely?

Here’s a hint. The pufferfish genome is only about 12% of the size of our genome but pufferfish have bodies and brains. Clearly, they don’t need a lot of extra DNA to make their bodies.

Humans don’t need it either.

Edited by stevestory on July 04 2016,19:06

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Posted: July 04 2016,18:21

BatShit actually tried to lecture Moran on what his university colleagues believe, quoting from a press release, and Moran replies with a blog post he wrote 6 weeks ago explaining why said press release was bullshit.

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Posted: July 04 2016,19:02

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Larry Moran:

I read your linked post. I think you overdid it. ...

PaV, author of a recent post titled "The War is Over: We Won!" is accusing Larry Moran of overstating things. Hmm, what's that word again?

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Posted: July 05 2016,00:04

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I believe we choose the circumstances we are born into.

Those Fritzl kids were literally asking for it.

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Posted: July 05 2016,10:00

surely that was a misstatement?

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Posted: July 05 2016,11:21

Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ July 04 2016,13:59)

A couple of random comments from UD:

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Excuse me. English is the language of the Internet and aerospace. Change that, will you, and then get back to us.
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William J Murray July 4, 2016 at 8:01 am

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rvb8 said:
Now, being born in the USA does not bestow virtue, just as it does not bestow blame; where your parents had sex is exactly 100% out of the child’s control, it is happinsatnce, dumb good luck (or bad luck if your parents are from the Congo).

Your metaphysical template is not binding on others. I disagree that anything about the circumstances we are born into is “luck”; I believe we choose the circumstances we are born into.
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I distinctly chose to be born to parents with wealth and fame. What the hell happened?

Disturbing thought of the day: all those options available to him, and William J Murray chose to be William J Murray.

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Posted: July 05 2016,11:56

Quote (JohnW @ July 05 2016,11:21)

Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ July 04 2016,13:59)

A couple of random comments from UD:

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Excuse me. English is the language of the Internet and aerospace. Change that, will you, and then get back to us.
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William J Murray July 4, 2016 at 8:01 am

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rvb8 said:
Now, being born in the USA does not bestow virtue, just as it does not bestow blame; where your parents had sex is exactly 100% out of the child’s control, it is happinsatnce, dumb good luck (or bad luck if your parents are from the Congo).

Your metaphysical template is not binding on others. I disagree that anything about the circumstances we are born into is “luck”; I believe we choose the circumstances we are born into.
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I distinctly chose to be born to parents with wealth and fame. What the hell happened?

Disturbing thought of the day: all those options available to him, and William J Murray chose to be William J Murray.

He wanted to be just like Cliff Clavin.

And so it was.

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Posted: July 05 2016,12:35

Quote (Woodbine @ July 04 2016,23:04)

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I believe we choose the circumstances we are born into.

Those Fritzl kids were literally asking for it.

At what point during development do fetuses choose their circumstances to be born into?

Maybe some regret their choice and miscarriages are simply early suicides.

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Posted: July 05 2016,12:50

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I believe we choose the circumstances we are born into.

Those Fritzl kids were literally asking for it.

At what point during development do fetuses choose their circumstances to be born into?

Maybe some regret their choice and miscarriages are simply early suicides.

I don't think I got the dad I really wanted.

Is it too late to get a refund? Is there a form or do I need to call someone?

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Posted: July 05 2016,12:59

Quote (JohnW @ July 05 2016,19:21)

Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ July 04 2016,13:59)

A couple of random comments from UD:

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News July 3, 2016 at 4:02 am
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Excuse me. English is the language of the Internet and aerospace. Change that, will you, and then get back to us.
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William J Murray July 4, 2016 at 8:01 am

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rvb8 said:
Now, being born in the USA does not bestow virtue, just as it does not bestow blame; where your parents had sex is exactly 100% out of the child’s control, it is happinsatnce, dumb good luck (or bad luck if your parents are from the Congo).

Your metaphysical template is not binding on others. I disagree that anything about the circumstances we are born into is “luck”; I believe we choose the circumstances we are born into.
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I distinctly chose to be born to parents with wealth and fame. What the hell happened?

Disturbing thought of the day: all those options available to him, and William J Murray chose to be William J Murray.

So he's speaking of himself in the plural? Schizophrenia means he always has company. In WJM's mind he must have multiple choice birth options.

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Posted: July 05 2016,13:02

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@Denyse O’Leary

Are you going to apologize for lying about my wishes in the title of this post?

Larry Moran wants meeting cancelled thread

If they start apologizing for lying, aren't they going to have to apologize for UD's existence, ID, and the DI's CDC?

Lying is all that they have. They're not going to apologize for it.

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Posted: July 06 2016,07:29

Quote (Glen Davidson @ July 05 2016,13:02)

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@Denyse O’Leary

Are you going to apologize for lying about my wishes in the title of this post?

Larry Moran wants meeting cancelled thread

If they start apologizing for lying, aren't they going to have to apologize for UD's existence, ID, and the DI's CDC?

Lying is all that they have. They're not going to apologize for it.

Glen Davidson

Breaking: Denyse acknowledges that she was wrong. But doesn't apologise for her earlier error:
Breaking! Moran does NOT want RS meeting cancelled!

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Posted: July 06 2016,08:54

While Denyse is not sure if she will go to London Klinghoffer announces that someone of the DI will join the meeting:

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What will happen, then? It's going to be messy, and fascinating. Some will deny the significance of what happens, whatever happens. Many will downplay it. Others will report on it honestly, as we plan to do here.

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Posted: July 06 2016,10:42

Quote (sparc @ July 06 2016,16:54)

While Denyse is not sure if she will go to London Klinghoffer announces that someone of the DI will join the meeting:

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What will happen, then? It's going to be messy, and fascinating. Some will deny the significance of what happens, whatever happens. Many will downplay it. Others will report on it honestly, as we plan to do here.

Over the three days there are some twenty one talks covering mostly physiology and philosophy at a level I suspect will go way over the heads of the great unwashed members of the anti-evolution crowd.
It's not going to be a loony nutjob conspiracy cruise.
Any Bible thumpers expecting to get any airtime for Jesus in the forty minute round table discussion at the end of the second and third days will be sadly disappointed.
I suspect they will deservedly get more than one "Buy my book" or variations thereof from the presenters.

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Posted: July 06 2016,14:24

Quote (k.e.. @ July 06 2016,10:42)

Quote (sparc @ July 06 2016,16:54)

While Denyse is not sure if she will go to London Klinghoffer announces that someone of the DI will join the meeting:

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What will happen, then? It's going to be messy, and fascinating. Some will deny the significance of what happens, whatever happens. Many will downplay it. Others will report on it honestly, as we plan to do here.

Over the three days there are some twenty one talks covering mostly physiology and philosophy at a level I suspect will go way over the heads of the great unwashed members of the anti-evolution crowd.
It's not going to be a loony nutjob conspiracy cruise.
Any Bible thumpers expecting to get any airtime for Jesus in the forty minute round table discussion at the end of the second and third days will be sadly disappointed.
I suspect they will deservedly get more than one "Buy my book" or variations thereof from the presenters.

That's not the point... and the DI crowd knows their readers won't understand it. Which is good. They can babble incessantly about epigentic markers and molecular machinary, comfortable in the fact that they can ignore those who do understand it and they can get funds from people who don't understand it.

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Posted: July 06 2016,15:57

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UD CREATIONISTS AND PROOF
JUNE 27, 2016 MARKCC 14 COMMENTS

A reader sent me a link to a comment on one of my least favorite major creationist websites, Uncommon Descent (No link, I refuse to link to UD). It’s dumb enough that it really deserves a good mocking.

Barry Arrington, June 10, 2016 at 2:45 pm...

Edited by stevestory on July 06 2016,16:58

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Posted: July 06 2016,16:05

LOLERCAKES:

barry:

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2+3=5 cannot be verified. It is accepted as self-evidently true because any denial would come at the price of affirming an absurdity.

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It’s absolutely possible to verify the statement “2 + 3 = 5”. It’s also absolutely possible to prove that statement. In fact, both of those are more than possible: they’re downright easy, provided you accept the standard definitions of arithmetic. And frankly, only a total idiot who has absolutely no concept of what verification or proof mean would ever claim otherwise.

(from above link)

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Posted: July 06 2016,16:12

Except when 2 + 3 = 4.99999999999... ...

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Posted: July 06 2016,16:35

Quote (stevestory @ July 06 2016,16:05)

LOLERCAKES:

barry:

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2+3=5 cannot be verified. It is accepted as self-evidently true because any denial would come at the price of affirming an absurdity.

markcc:

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It’s absolutely possible to verify the statement “2 + 3 = 5”. It’s also absolutely possible to prove that statement. In fact, both of those are more than possible: they’re downright easy, provided you accept the standard definitions of arithmetic. And frankly, only a total idiot who has absolutely no concept of what verification or proof mean would ever claim otherwise.

(from above link)

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But in a world in which we don’t play semantic games...

UD does not exist in that world.

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Posted: July 07 2016,10:30

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rvb8, take a vacation.

I wonder if this is a request or a past tense statement of fact.

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Posted: July 07 2016,17:43

UD's philosophical sophisticates are enjoying a laugh:

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If “nothing” is not a quantum vacuum, asks Coyne, then what is it? This seems fit for a comedy routine, because the answer is so painfully obvious. You see, “nothing” is not anything. “Nothing” is the complete absence of anything at all. You can’t describe “nothing” and assign it particular characteristics or properties because it is the complete lack of characteristics or properties. It is non-being. No energy, no fields, no laws, no particles, virtual or otherwise. It’s absolutely nothing. That something cannot come from nothing is not a law of physics, per se, but of metaphysics.

Does "the complete absence of anything at all" include absence of gods/God? If yes, then whence gods/God? If no, then isn't there something instead of true nothing?

I don't mean to provoke any sort of metaphysical discussion. HeKS's armchair pedantry doesn't deserve it, and these discussions have been stale for literally thousands of years.

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Posted: July 08 2016,17:30

Quote (LarTanner @ July 07 2016,18:43)

I don't mean to provoke any sort of metaphysical discussion. HeKS's armchair pedantry doesn't deserve it, and these discussions have been stale for literally thousands of years.

When this thread was started, nigh on ten years ago, it wasn't to debate them. It was to make fun of them. They're not educable. I mean, fuck, go to that thread where BatShit tried to lecture Larry Moran about what his coworkers think. These are the most Hare-brained imbeciles the good lord ever saw fit to poof into being, those 6 millennia ago.

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Posted: July 09 2016,07:30

Dopes on parade:
Commenting on the latest anti methodological naturalism post, Larry Moran states his view that supernatural hypotheses can be tested, pointing to the hypothesis that God caused a worldwide flood some time in the last few millennia.

Resident dope UB asks:
Why use an example that has nothing whatsoever to do with ID? Perhaps you’ve used the “ID creationism” line one time too many, and misplaced the simple fact that they are not the same thing?

But UB, I ask, what does intelligent design have to do with the supernatural? Haven't we been told many times that the designer need not be supernatural?

Or

But UB, I say, he uses an example of a creationist hypothesis because ID has no testable hypotheses?

Meanwhile, over on the Rabbit and Coke can thread, Origenes grandly refers to the law of conservation of information. Unfortunately, the (UD) page he links to for an explanation of the law of conservation of information is 404ed. So that information wasn't conserved, I guess.

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