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(Permalink) Posted: June 22 2015,16:59   

Quote (Woodbine @ June 22 2015,16:42)
Hi, Gary.

I understand you are doing vital work but a few posts ago you said this....

 
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After explaining how one intelligence level causes another....


Can you please point to the relevant section of your theory that explains how one intelligence level causes another.

I have the PDF right here, it shouldn't take a moment.

Many thanks.

And I said nothing about achieving that after they "learn" how and a whole bunch of other stuff related to how intelligent causation works?

You are an annoying parasite that's trying to look smart, by acting stupid.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 22 2015,17:06   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ June 22 2015,17:25)
From Sandwalk:
 
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Donald - Sunday, June 21, 2015 10:07:00 PM

Darn it, I thought I posted this, but I don't see it. Anyway, I think Behe's 2002 definition of IC is talking about the limits of genetic drift--he would probably argue that a few unselected steps in a system could be explained by drift, but if there were more than X unselected steps, where the population geneticists would have to calculate the limiting value X, that means that some unknown force was responsible because it would be too improbable for more than X steps to have occurred accidentally. If you could calculate the value of X and if you could find a example of some system that had more than X necessary but unselected steps, you could claim that the known mechanisms couldn't produce the hypothetical system. You'd still have a big step to take before you could claim an intelligence had done it, but at least the ID people would have made a genuine contribution if they could do this much.

In other words, it is the usual creationist probability argument.


Gary Gaulin - Sunday, June 21, 2015 11:25:00 PM
Wow Donald, that was good. You have the right idea.

The only thing ID needs to win is for genetic systems to turn out to be a cognitive (intelligent) system. There is then an "intelligent cause" that makes the otherwise impossible happen, like the ID movement has right along been claiming is necessary.

Although I do not use them it's possible for me to agree with the science related point of the probability related concepts that others like to work on. Scientifically explaining the "intelligent cause" waiting to be discovered sets a whole lot of things right in a way that the ID movement wins, with faith-friendly cognitive theory that makes sense of what can otherwise make no sense at all.

http://sandwalk.blogspot.com/2015.......1094645

The primary scientific issue has already been settled. ...

Manifestly not.
You don't even know what you're talking about. On literally any subject.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 22 2015,17:07   

Gary, instead of avoiding the question for the umpteenth time....

 
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Can you please point to the relevant section of your theory that explains how one intelligence level causes another.


Why is this so difficult, Gary?

You claimed to have explained 'how one intelligence level causes another'....so the least you could do is show us where to find that explanation.

I have to say this is troubling behaviour for a real-scientist. Can't you even give us a page number?

Many thanks.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 22 2015,17:53   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ June 22 2015,16:59)
And I said nothing about achieving that after they "learn" how and a whole bunch of other stuff related to how intelligent causation works?

You are an annoying parasite that's trying to look smart, by acting stupid.

Can anyone translate the first sentence into English?  It looks like it ought to mean something.

Why would anyone try to "try to look smart by acting foolishly"?  How would you do that, assuming you wanted to?  What do either looking smart or acting foolishly have to do with parasites, and how on earth is Woodbine being parasitic?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 22 2015,18:04   

Quote (N.Wells @ June 22 2015,15:53)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ June 22 2015,16:59)
And I said nothing about achieving that after they "learn" how and a whole bunch of other stuff related to how intelligent causation works?

You are an annoying parasite that's trying to look smart, by acting stupid.

Can anyone translate the first sentence into English?  It looks like it ought to mean something.

I tried random selection:

Of about achieving and works said and how to I "learn" whole they a nothing stuff other causation intelligent bunch related how that after.

It's no worse.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 22 2015,18:37   

Quote (N.Wells @ June 22 2015,17:53)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ June 22 2015,16:59)
And I said nothing about achieving that after they "learn" how and a whole bunch of other stuff related to how intelligent causation works?

You are an annoying parasite that's trying to look smart, by acting stupid.

Can anyone translate the first sentence into English?  It looks like it ought to mean something.

Why would anyone try to "try to look smart by acting foolishly"?  How would you do that, assuming you wanted to?  What do either looking smart or acting foolishly have to do with parasites, and how on earth is Woodbine being parasitic?

As someone who reads poorly expressed attempts at answers for a living, I can make an effort:

"Did I not say how that happened by saying they (the molecules, cells, etc.) "learn" how?  Did I not also provide a whole bunch of information about how intelligent causation works, which I feel is directly revelation t to you question?"

Of course, besides the horrendous English, these are ridiculous points because 1) they have nothing to do with the question in the real world.  They are only connected in Gary's delusional mind, 2) are a pathetic attempt at condescension from someone of Gary's intellect, and 3) are not the simple page numbers he could have provided if he wanted to have a grown-up conversation.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 22 2015,22:11   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ June 22 2015,16:54)
Quote (Richardthughes @ June 22 2015,16:32)
"I cannot allow vital scientific work to be stopped"

Then fuck off and do some.

Come back when you've got 10 good reviews in PSC.

Now needing a biased authority to settle your scientific issues for you using media campaigns is showing how scientifically dysfunctional you and others have become.

Gary you can't cry scientific persecution and that we're stopping you whilst voluntarily posting here 24/7, you drama queen attention whore.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 23 2015,07:57   

Quote (Texas Teach @ June 22 2015,19:37)
Quote (N.Wells @ June 22 2015,17:53)
 
Quote (GaryGaulin @ June 22 2015,16:59)
And I said nothing about achieving that after they "learn" how and a whole bunch of other stuff related to how intelligent causation works?

You are an annoying parasite that's trying to look smart, by acting stupid.

Can anyone translate the first sentence into English?  It looks like it ought to mean something.

Why would anyone try to "try to look smart by acting foolishly"?  How would you do that, assuming you wanted to?  What do either looking smart or acting foolishly have to do with parasites, and how on earth is Woodbine being parasitic?

As someone who reads poorly expressed attempts at answers for a living, I can make an effort:

"Did I not say how that happened by saying they (the molecules, cells, etc.) "learn" how?  Did I not also provide a whole bunch of information about how intelligent causation works, which I feel is directly revelation t to you question?"

Of course, besides the horrendous English, these are ridiculous points because 1) they have nothing to do with the question in the real world.  They are only connected in Gary's delusional mind, 2) are a pathetic attempt at condescension from someone of Gary's intellect, and 3) are not the simple page numbers he could have provided if he wanted to have a grown-up conversation.

Yes, Gary does keep abusing the term "learn" in all its various forms.
Sadly for him, we've already shown how his usage is wildly outside the accepted definition in Cognitive Science.
We've also shown that none of the marks of learning occur at the molecular or cellular level.  Among others, we might note the lack of anything resembling a 'learning curve' or an 'extinction' process.  His "system" does not admit of either error or forgetting, nor the relative ease with which forgotten material may be re-learned compared to the baseline case of 'learning it the first time'.  He probably avoids those well-studied areas because they are quantified and well-supported by evidence.
As best as can be determined from his pseudo-English ranting, 'learn' in Gaulin-speak simply means 'changes over time'.  That's very nearly as staggering an insight and ground-breaking discovery as "some features of the universe are best explained by intelligent cause".  Banal, trivial, uncontroversial, and entirely uninformative.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 23 2015,08:39   

Quote (Richardthughes @ June 22 2015,23:11)
Gary you can't cry scientific persecution and that we're stopping you whilst voluntarily posting here 24/7, you drama queen attention whore.

of course he can--he's completely mental. The only thing that's gonna stop gary, in the end, is Father Time.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 23 2015,09:36   

Quote (stevestory @ June 23 2015,16:39)
Quote (Richardthughes @ June 22 2015,23:11)
Gary you can't cry scientific persecution and that we're stopping you whilst voluntarily posting here 24/7, you drama queen attention whore.

of course he can--he's completely mental. The only thing that's gonna stop gary, in the end, is Father Time.

There might be some respite if he gets enough cash together to visit  a dentist. One hour a week fo the next year.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 23 2015,10:58   

Someone mumbled:  
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And I said nothing about achieving that after they "learn" how and a whole bunch of other stuff related to how intelligent causation works?

You are an annoying parasite that's trying to look smart, by acting stupid.


Meanwhile, Goo Goo, you appear to be an over-reaching tard trying to look less stupid than you really are.  No wonder your insults fail so miserably, we all just consider the source . . . .

Now, answering her question would change an awful lot of folk's minds in here, but you HAVEN'T EVEN TRIED.

Whatta hoot!!!!!!!!!!!  :)  :)  :)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 24 2015,00:03   

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After explaining how one intelligence level causes another....


Gaulin, do you realise that you are starting with your conclusion and then....... well, nothing really. There is no methodology, no experimental data (in fact, no experiment) and this makes it just a bald assertion.

This is not how science works unless you have replaced science with "Real-Science", have you?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2015,00:37   

To make the network code more applicable to other intelligence levels and easier to visualize I removed all of the neuron related drawing code from the ID Lab. I'm now using a much simpler drawing method that uses generic variables for each "Sector" at each "Place" in the network. This eliminates the problem of applying neuroscience details like where the "grid" cells are exactly. Only what is most important to understand and look for possibly happening at the cellular or molecular level are shown. I found that drawing it out as a neuron circuit makes the screen so busy with flashing signals the simple thing happening at each place in the network like makes no sense, and hard to study that way.

I'm now free of trying to go beyond the scope of the theory into neuroscientific details that are still unknown. Getting into that situation is from having starting in neuroscience, where the goal is to figure out how the different cell types work together in a brain circuit that navigates a critter around. After discovering the simple network dynamics I went as far as I could in the neuroscience direction. Then needed to focus on what the causation model requires demonstrating.

I ended up deleting subroutines full of code for getting fancy drawing cells. In comparison to what I had before the Navigational Network module has a tiny amount of code. That is from not expanding the variables that make it work into new ones representing neural circuits that can get very complex.

After eliminating all that was no longer needed I'm down to a small number of button switches for experimenting with the network logic, manually changing behavior. And it just so happens that's what the Hunger signal needs for the critter to become much more daring when starving. I'll let you know when I have the new code online. Might only be another day of work, but cannot be sure.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2015,01:34   

Hi, Gary.

You said....

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After explaining how one intelligence level causes another...


Can you please point to where you explain this please? I have your theory in front of me but I cannot find the relevant section.

Many thanks.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2015,17:28   

Quote (Woodbine @ June 25 2015,01:34)
Hi, Gary.

You said....

 
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After explaining how one intelligence level causes another...


Can you please point to where you explain this please? I have your theory in front of me but I cannot find the relevant section.

Many thanks.

Even after giving them a computer model where one intelligence level causes another they still cannot find anything at all pertaining to "explaining how one intelligence level causes another"?

This seems is like giving someone a cake recipe that shows them what to add to what and how to bake it in an oven then they get snotty because they can't find where the recipe explains how to bake a cake.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2015,17:42   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ June 25 2015,18:28)
Quote (Woodbine @ June 25 2015,01:34)
Hi, Gary.

You said....

 
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After explaining how one intelligence level causes another...


Can you please point to where you explain this please? I have your theory in front of me but I cannot find the relevant section.

Many thanks.

Even after giving them a computer model where one intelligence level causes another they still cannot find anything at all pertaining to "explaining how one intelligence level causes another"?

This seems is like giving someone a cake recipe that shows them what to add to what and how to bake it in an oven then they get snotty because they can't find where the recipe explains how to bake a cake.

Except, of course, it's nothing like that at all.
It doesn't even rise to the level of " once you've purchased the cake, you have a cake."

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2015,17:59   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ June 25 2015,23:28)
Even after giving them a computer model where one intelligence level causes another they still cannot find anything at all pertaining to "explaining how one intelligence level causes another"?

Gary, a computer model 'where one intelligence level causes another' is not the same thing as an explanation for how one intelligence level actually causes another.

I could provide a model where a light bulb causes an earthquake - but it would not be an explanation.

Please point to the relevant section in your PDF where you explain how one intelligence level causes another.

Many thanks.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2015,18:45   

Quote (Woodbine @ June 25 2015,17:59)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ June 25 2015,23:28)
Even after giving them a computer model where one intelligence level causes another they still cannot find anything at all pertaining to "explaining how one intelligence level causes another"?

Gary, a computer model 'where one intelligence level causes another' is not the same thing as an explanation for how one intelligence level actually causes another.

I could provide a model where a light bulb causes an earthquake - but it would not be an explanation.

Please point to the relevant section in your PDF where you explain how one intelligence level causes another.

Many thanks.

You have to remember that GG's thinking is so muddled that when asked (somewhere in this thread) if his program simulates the creation of intelligence or actually creates real intelligence, he chose the latter.  So his incredulity isn't that surprising, given that he's so deluded that he thinks his program is actually creating intelligence.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2015,19:41   

Quote (Jim_Wynne @ June 25 2015,18:45)
Quote (Woodbine @ June 25 2015,17:59)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ June 25 2015,23:28)
Even after giving them a computer model where one intelligence level causes another they still cannot find anything at all pertaining to "explaining how one intelligence level causes another"?

Gary, a computer model 'where one intelligence level causes another' is not the same thing as an explanation for how one intelligence level actually causes another.

I could provide a model where a light bulb causes an earthquake - but it would not be an explanation.

Please point to the relevant section in your PDF where you explain how one intelligence level causes another.

Many thanks.

You have to remember that GG's thinking is so muddled that when asked (somewhere in this thread) if his program simulates the creation of intelligence or actually creates real intelligence, he chose the latter.  So his incredulity isn't that surprising, given that he's so deluded that he thinks his program is actually creating intelligence.

If Gary had created intelligence, would he be subject to arrest for abusing it with "shock zones"?  For murder when he turns off his computer?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2015,04:49   

Quote (Texas Teach @ June 26 2015,03:41)
Quote (Jim_Wynne @ June 25 2015,18:45)
Quote (Woodbine @ June 25 2015,17:59)
 
Quote (GaryGaulin @ June 25 2015,23:28)
Even after giving them a computer model where one intelligence level causes another they still cannot find anything at all pertaining to "explaining how one intelligence level causes another"?

Gary, a computer model 'where one intelligence level causes another' is not the same thing as an explanation for how one intelligence level actually causes another.

I could provide a model where a light bulb causes an earthquake - but it would not be an explanation.

Please point to the relevant section in your PDF where you explain how one intelligence level causes another.

Many thanks.

You have to remember that GG's thinking is so muddled that when asked (somewhere in this thread) if his program simulates the creation of intelligence or actually creates real intelligence, he chose the latter.  So his incredulity isn't that surprising, given that he's so deluded that he thinks his program is actually creating intelligence.

If Gary had created intelligence, would he be subject to arrest for abusing it with "shock zones"?  For murder when he turns off his computer?

He's  in more dannger of being arrested for impersonating a sentient being.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2015,20:25   

Over at Sandwalk, http://sandwalk.blogspot.com/2015....t-form, Gary demonstrates that after endless discussion on this forum, he still doesn't know the different between falsification and falsifiability.

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Gary Gaulin Tuesday, June 23, 2015 6:30:00 PM
Your falsification failed. Please throw your theory out of science, like you're supposed to.
 
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Gary Gaulin Wednesday, June 24, 2015 6:47:00 PM

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Photosynthesis: You're mistaken about what Karl was about. The idea was that hypotheses had to be "falsifiable," not already "falsified."


I have well over a hundred hours of experience with the game where always unsatisfied adversaries endlessly demand "falsification" of the theory I have online.

You are telling the wrong person to stop doing that. The source of trouble is coming from your own side, the one that taught me the Karl Popper method I am now using to make you waste your time chasing your tails.


Gary does his usual dumb doubling down while trying to hide his mistakes by quoting Wikipedia re falsifiability and trying to pretend that that's the same thing as falsification, and
Photosynthesis calls him on it:
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I'll leave it to you to figure out how much of an idiot you made of yourself.
.......

Do you really think I'm just going to forget that you were enough of an ass-hole to ask for "falsification" rather than for "falsifiability"? Because I'm not.

Go, study, then come back. Word your request properly (because that shit still makes you look rather stupid), and maybe someone will then want to have a conversation about it with you. For now, you're too misinformed and thus not prepared for such conversation.


Great day's work, eh, Gary?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2015,21:30   

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Falsification

The act of disproving a proposition, hypothesis, or theory: see Falsifiability
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki.......ication


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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2015,00:39   

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Falsification

The act of disproving a proposition, hypothesis, or theory: see Falsifiability
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki.......ication

Yes, that's leading to an allied term, not "this is a synonym".  If you doubt that, read the actual entries.  To qualify as a scientific theory, a proposed theory has to be potentially falsifiable.  In other words it has to be potentially capable of being falsified, otherwise (like your pile of dreck) it's no better than mental masturbation.  If it survives tests that are potentially capable of falsifying it, then it has survived to the next round of testing and is still, at least for now, a viable theory.  If it fails one of the tests, then it has been falsified, so it is wrong and it is no longer a viable theory.  If there was no way it could fail a test and be falsified then it was never serious science in the first place.  

Much of evolutionary theory could potentially be falsified by any of the following: finding a strip of noncoding DNA (especially in all organisms) that translates to something like "Approved, Inspector #8, Rigel III", or finding a fossil rabbit in Precambrian strata, or finding a bird in the Devonian, or a Precambrian dinosaur, or Silurian grass, or a Mississippian magnolia.  Sure, we would have to check that these were legitimate and not hoaxes or hideous errors, but evolutionary theory could not accommodate them if they were legitimate and properly dated (at least, not without time travel, and science would find it easier to toss evolutionary theory than accept time travel).  Evolutionary theory could also be falsified by identical complex features showing up randomly in multiple different presumed lineages, the way improvements in engineering are immediately introduced across multiple lines of manufacture.  If biochemistry had mapped randomly against  comparative anatomy, with the greatest differences not between what were presumed from traditional biological studies to be the most distant relatives and the greatest similarities not in the closest relatives, then evolutionary theory would be relegated to an also-ran in the history of ideas. Cats giving birth to dogs and dogs giving birth to chickens would do it.  Being unable to find any evidence for any instances of natural selection would do in half of it (although not the genetic drift, recombination, mutation parts of it.

   
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Falsification may refer to:
   The act of disproving a proposition, hypothesis, or theory: see Falsifiability

Note how that differs from the falsifiability link:
   
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Falsifiability: Falsifiability or refutability of a statement, hypothesis, or theory is an inherent possibility to prove it to be false. A statement is called falsifiable if it is possible to conceive an observation or an argument which proves the statement in question to be false. .... Some philosophers argue that science must be falsifiable.
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Popper stresses the problem of demarcation—distinguishing the scientific from the unscientific—and makes falsifiability the demarcation criterion, such that what is unfalsifiable is classified as unscientific, and the practice of declaring an unfalsifiable theory to be scientifically true is pseudoscience. The question is epitomized in the famous saying of Wolfgang Pauli that if an argument fails to be scientific because it cannot be falsified by experiment, "it is not only not right, it is not even wrong!"


But because you are an unfettered loon and can't admit to making a mistake, you are just going to pretend that there's no difference, aren't you?  The ONLY person you are fooling here is yourself.

So, how is your bilgewater sufficiently potentially falsifiable to qualify as respectable science?  What legitimate and logically valid tests of your not-a-theory can you propose?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2015,00:41   

Hi, Gary.

While you grapple with the difference between falsification and falsifiability perhaps you could direct us to the part of your theory where you explain 'how one intelligence level causes another'.

Why are you stalling, Gary? Any other real-scientist would be only too happy to explain their work to others.

Many thanks.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2015,01:41   

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Hi, Gary.

While you grapple with the difference between falsification and falsifiability perhaps you could direct us to the part of your theory where you explain 'how one intelligence level causes another'.

Why are you stalling, Gary? Any other real-scientist would be only too happy to explain their work to others.

Many thanks.

Gets funnier every time, like Sir Lancelot storming the castle.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2015,01:57   

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While you grapple with the difference between falsification and falsifiability.........

I have no interest at all in grappling with your warm and fuzzy word choices, thank you. That's only for those who are all talk, and no action.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2015,02:08   

Hi, Gary.

Speaking of 'no action' you do seem to be stalling. I'm sure you wouldn't want your audience* to think you can't back up your claims?

So, can you please show us the section of your theory where you explain 'how one intelligence level causes another'.

Many thanks.

*pryvit Ukraine!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2015,19:23   

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While you grapple with the difference between falsification and falsifiability.........

I have no interest at all in grappling with your warm and fuzzy word choices, thank you. That's only for those who are all talk, and no action.

There's a huge difference, which you insist on remaining ignorant about.  Not knowing the difference = ignorant.  Not caring about the difference once you hear that the difference exists = stupid. In your case, you manage to combine both failings.

This isn't warm and fuzzy: it's a prerequisite for doing meaningful science, as opposed to random foolish babbling on the internet.  

In the meantime, continual failure to answer Woodbine's extremely reasonable question suggests that you are unable to answer it.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2015,01:05   

On a related note:
http://sandwalk.blogspot.com/2015.......9209671

I'm now finishing up the new model by adding a way to change the data stored in the place behavior RAM.  That will give full control over the possible network behaviors, which may be slightly different from each other but still work.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2015,06:55   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ June 28 2015,02:05)
On a related note:
http://sandwalk.blogspot.com/2015.......9209671

I'm now finishing up the new model by adding a way to change the data stored in the place behavior RAM.  That will give full control over the possible network behaviors, which may be slightly different from each other but still work.

It is every bit as useful a model as that of the Millennium Falcon.
Which is to say, it is a model of a fiction.

As to falsification/falsifiability, do please keep in mind that one of the core assertions of your model has been falsified, repeatedly and with multiple examples.
To wit, there are acts of intelligence which do not involve motor systems.

You keep running away from the clear implications of this.
No one wonders why.

  
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