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Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 28 2014,09:58    Quote (Zachriel @ Dec. 27 2014,12:03) Along with those other crackpots; Euclid, Newton, and Einstein; please add Hilbert. Com'on guys! We've hit a main vein!" At least Hilbert has a hotel large enough to accommodate them all. Just don't expect to see Mapou & Joe at breakfast. -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

Lethean Posts: 292 Joined: Jan. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 28 2014,15:58    Quote (OgreMkV @ Dec. 27 2014,11:01)   Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 24 2014,14:05) mapou delivers the most UD comment perhaps of all time:     Quote Mathematicians can kiss my asteroid because they have a lame pony in this race. They’re already on the record for claiming that infinity exists and they will look bad if the opposite is shown to be true. Mathematicians are political/religious animals just like Darwinists, therefore they are not to be trusted. My peers are the public. If a concept cannot be explained in simple terms that the average intelligent layperson can understand, it’s crap, IMO. linky I wonder if they have asked Dr. Dr. Dembski (isn't one of his degrees in math?) about any of this. Seems funny that they are arguing against an entire class of scholar... the group of which seems to provide an above average number of the ID proponents. We live in amazing times. The contributors at UD have not only single-handedly smashed the pillar of biology down to its very foundation, they've moved on and stuck their pike deep into the heart of mathematics. 2014 has been a banner year for Uncommon Descent and I'm incredibly fortunate to have lived to see it. -------------- "So I'm a pretty unusual guy and it's not stupidity that has gotten me where I am. It's brilliance." "My brain is one of the very few independent thinking brains that you've ever met. And that's a thing of wonder to you and since you don't understand it you criticize it." ~Dave Hawkins~

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 28 2014,17:46    Quote (Lethean @ Dec. 28 2014,23:58) Quote (OgreMkV @ Dec. 27 2014,11:01)     Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 24 2014,14:05) mapou delivers the most UD comment perhaps of all time:       Quote Mathematicians can kiss my asteroid because they have a lame pony in this race. They’re already on the record for claiming that infinity exists and they will look bad if the opposite is shown to be true. Mathematicians are political/religious animals just like Darwinists, therefore they are not to be trusted. My peers are the public. If a concept cannot be explained in simple terms that the average intelligent layperson can understand, it’s crap, IMO. linky I wonder if they have asked Dr. Dr. Dembski (isn't one of his degrees in math?) about any of this. Seems funny that they are arguing against an entire class of scholar... the group of which seems to provide an above average number of the ID proponents. We live in amazing times. The contributors at UD have not only single-handedly smashed the pillar of biology down to its very foundation, they've moved on and stuck their pike deep into the heart of mathematics. 2014 has been a banner year for Uncommon Descent and I'm incredibly fortunate to have lived to see it. What can we expect in 2015? UD takes down veterinarians and another theological tour of Scandinavia? Infinity +1 -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 28 2014,20:16    What can we expect in 2015? To be one year away from evolution's death of course! What kind of farewell party do you think they'll throw at UD in 2016? I kind of think that they'll want a surprise party. Maybe we should start planning it for them now. Time flies, after all. -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

rossum Posts: 289 Joined: Dec. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 29 2014,05:08    Quote (Kristine @ Dec. 28 2014,20:16) Time flies, after all. Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.   :) -------------- The ultimate truth is that there is no ultimate truth.

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 29 2014,12:25    Quote (rossum @ Dec. 29 2014,05:08) Quote (Kristine @ Dec. 28 2014,20:16) Time flies, after all. Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.   Who is the most ban[n]anable? -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

Driver Posts: 649 Joined: June 2011 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 29 2014,18:12    Remember, Joe's Hotel has a Largest Known Room Number. -------------- Why would I concern myself with evidence, when IMO "evidence" is only the mind arranging thought and matter to support what one already wishes to believe? - William J Murray [A]t this time a forum like this one is nothing less than a national security risk. - Gary Gaulin

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 29 2014,19:57    Quote (Driver @ Dec. 30 2014,02:12) Remember, Joe's Hotel has a Largest Known Room Number. A pub with no beer but prayer mats are available from the concierge. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 29 2014,23:50    Quote (k.e.. @ Dec. 29 2014,17:57) Quote (Driver @ Dec. 30 2014,02:12) Remember, Joe's Hotel has a Largest Known Room Number. A pub with no beer but prayer mats are available from the concierge. I hear there's a coupla quartsa beer in his garage, tho... -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 30 2014,07:47    Quote (fnxtr @ Dec. 30 2014,07:50) Quote (k.e.. @ Dec. 29 2014,17:57) Quote (Driver @ Dec. 30 2014,02:12) Remember, Joe's Hotel has a Largest Known Room Number. A pub with no beer but prayer mats are available from the concierge. I hear there's a coupla quartsa beer in his garage, tho... Ah, so he's still an infidel. Report him to the Grand Mufti. He should be made to have another circumcision. I'll bet he still eats bacon. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

Driver Posts: 649 Joined: June 2011 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 30 2014,09:03    Quote (k.e.. @ Dec. 30 2014,12:47) Quote (fnxtr @ Dec. 30 2014,07:50) Quote (k.e.. @ Dec. 29 2014,17:57)   Quote (Driver @ Dec. 30 2014,02:12) Remember, Joe's Hotel has a Largest Known Room Number. A pub with no beer but prayer mats are available from the concierge. I hear there's a coupla quartsa beer in his garage, tho... Ah, so he's still an infidel. Report him to the Grand Mufti. He should be made to have another circumcision. I'll bet he still eats bacon. Joe's Garage This Joe keeps a coupla quartsa beer in his garage. Excellent album. Some fine music, a plethora of styles, and lots and lots and lots of fun. Not really relevant to our Joe, except the name. -------------- Why would I concern myself with evidence, when IMO "evidence" is only the mind arranging thought and matter to support what one already wishes to believe? - William J Murray [A]t this time a forum like this one is nothing less than a national security risk. - Gary Gaulin

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 30 2014,09:24    771 comments of zachriel and a few others trying to explain to the UD crowd basic set theory.

Woodbine Posts: 1218 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 30 2014,10:44    Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 30 2014,15:24) 771 comments of zachriel and a few others trying to explain to the UD crowd basic set theory.

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 30 2014,11:05    Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 30 2014,07:24) 771 comments of zachriel and a few others trying to explain to the UD crowd basic set theory. Has anyone brought up Zeno's Paradox yet? It might explain why ID has done bugger-all since 1802. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 30 2014,11:10    Quote (JohnW @ Dec. 30 2014,09:05) Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 30 2014,07:24) 771 comments of zachriel and a few others trying to explain to the UD crowd basic set theory. Has anyone brought up Zeno's Paradox yet? It might explain why ID has done bugger-all since 1802. Erm.. wouldn't that have to mean that they're half right every time? I don't think that's the case. -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 30 2014,11:16    Quote (fnxtr @ Dec. 30 2014,09:10) Quote (JohnW @ Dec. 30 2014,09:05) Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 30 2014,07:24) 771 comments of zachriel and a few others trying to explain to the UD crowd basic set theory. Has anyone brought up Zeno's Paradox yet? It might explain why ID has done bugger-all since 1802. Erm.. wouldn't that have to mean that they're half right every time? I don't think that's the case. It would mean the absence of any forward motion.  It's not completely clear amidst all the poo-flinging, but Mapou seems to actually believe this. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 30 2014,11:21    So is that why they haven't moved forward since, forever?

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 30 2014,11:23    I can't tell wtf mapou believes. It seems to be something like "Infinity is okay as a concept, just not an actual thing, but all these famous scientists and mathematicians believe it's a real thing, which makes them all nuts." ...which is some kinda confusion.

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 30 2014,12:20    Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 30 2014,11:23) I can't tell wtf mapou believes. It seems to be something like "Infinity is okay as a concept, just not an actual thing, but all these famous scientists and mathematicians believe it's a real thing, which makes them all nuts." ...which is some kinda confusion. The question is, does infinity believe in them? Masterful job, Zachriel. Your patience is beyond me! -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 30 2014,12:48    It's still churning away, and he's back:   Quote 782  Joe  December 30, 2014 at 12:04 pm There are more natural numbers than there are natural even numbers. It is all relative Mung   Quote Joe, there are just as many even numbers as natural numbers. Well for every even number there are two natural numbers. Perhaps Joe will interrupt his search for the largest known number, and look for an odd number which can't be doubled. "1, no.  3, no.  5, er... no.  7, no.  9, YES!!!! Woowoowoo! Oh, hang on a minute... no.  Bugger.  11..." -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 30 2014,13:26    Quote 784 cantorDecember 30, 2014 at 1:00 pm Quote    782 Joe December 30, 2014 at 12:04 pm    Well for every even number there are two natural numbers. … and for every natural number there are 2 even numbers: 1: 2^1 and 2^2 2: 2^3 and 2^4 3: 2^5 and 2^6 4: 2^7 and 2^8 linky

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 30 2014,13:42    Quote 785 MapouDecember 30, 2014 at 1:28 pm daveS: Quote    So, just as if we were measuring out two quantities of flour, we conclude that the set of real numbers is larger than the set of rational numbers. No, I still don’t like it since I don’t believe for a moment that that there is such a thing as “the set of all real numbers”. One of the problems with many mathematicians is their refusal to acknowledge that we don’t live in a changeless universe. They inexplicably believe that operations occur in no time at all. So when they say “For every natural number n there is another number n+1, they ignore the fact that n+1 is an operation that has a duration. The expression “for every n” is an inexplicable magical poofery that assumes the very thing (infinity) that it is trying to prove or describe. It is self-referential fruitcake nonsense. It’s crackpottery in the not-even-wrong category. Now, if you had said that the expansion of one set is faster than the expansion of another set, then there would be no contradictions at all. This guy is hopelessly confused. linky

socle Posts: 322 Joined: July 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 30 2014,13:48    Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 30 2014,13:26)   Quote 784 cantorDecember 30, 2014 at 1:00 pm   Quote    782 Joe December 30, 2014 at 12:04 pm    Well for every even number there are two natural numbers. … and for every natural number there are 2 even numbers: 1: 2^1 and 2^2 2: 2^3 and 2^4 3: 2^5 and 2^6 4: 2^7 and 2^8 linky

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 30 2014,13:53    Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 30 2014,11:42) Quote 785 MapouDecember 30, 2014 at 1:28 pm daveS:   Quote    So, just as if we were measuring out two quantities of flour, we conclude that the set of real numbers is larger than the set of rational numbers. No, I still don’t like it since I don’t believe for a moment that that there is such a thing as “the set of all real numbers”. One of the problems with many mathematicians is their refusal to acknowledge that we don’t live in a changeless universe. They inexplicably believe that operations occur in no time at all. So when they say “For every natural number n there is another number n+1, they ignore the fact that n+1 is an operation that has a duration. The expression “for every n” is an inexplicable magical poofery that assumes the very thing (infinity) that it is trying to prove or describe. It is self-referential fruitcake nonsense. It’s crackpottery in the not-even-wrong category. Now, if you had said that the expansion of one set is faster than the expansion of another set, then there would be no contradictions at all. This guy is hopelessly confused. linky I think he realises he's painted himself into a corner, but can't admit he's made a fool of himself.  Like Joe, with less swearing. Amusingly, his "mathematics is wrong if you can't physically realise it in the universe" act is much more hyper-materialist than anything Teh Evil Darwinists have ever argued. [ Edited by Kristine on Jan. 02 2015,19:22 -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 30 2014,14:39    Quote (JohnW @ Dec. 30 2014,13:53)         Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 30 2014,11:42)         Quote 785 MapouDecember 30, 2014 at 1:28 pm daveS:           Quote    So, just as if we were measuring out two quantities of flour, we conclude that the set of real numbers is larger than the set of rational numbers. No, I still don’t like it since I don’t believe for a moment that that there is such a thing as “the set of all real numbers”. One of the problems with many mathematicians is their refusal to acknowledge that we don’t live in a changeless universe. They inexplicably believe that operations occur in no time at all. So when they say “For every natural number n there is another number n+1, they ignore the fact that n+1 is an operation that has a duration. The expression “for every n” is an inexplicable magical poofery that assumes the very thing (infinity) that it is trying to prove or describe. It is self-referential fruitcake nonsense. It’s crackpottery in the not-even-wrong category. Now, if you had said that the expansion of one set is faster than the expansion of another set, then there would be no contradictions at all. This guy is hopelessly confused. linky I think he realises he's painted himself into a corner, but can't admit he's made a fool of himself.  Like Joe, with less swearing. Amusingly, his "mathematics is wrong if you can't physically realise it in the universe" act is much more hyper-materialist than anything Teh Evil Darwinists have ever argued. CLAPCLAPCLAPCLAPCLAP! This is a nail, this is a hammer, the board is UD, nailed across the shutter of ID's paradox! Does in WL Craig, as well. POTW? ETA - I'm calling it! Edited by Kristine on Jan. 02 2015,19:23 -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 30 2014,15:51    Let them eat caek. http://theskepticalzone.com/wp....?p=6994 -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2015,12:50    Dionesio has spammed a UD thread with essentially the same question over and over again. I know you are, but what am I

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2015,12:59    Dude, you beat me by 8 mins. I was just coming over here to post that UD now has someone distinctly horribler than BatShit77. Dionisio jacks a thread.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2015,13:04    Quote 200 Upright BiPedJanuary 2, 2015 at 10:00 am Dio, you’ve now posted 60 of the last 62 posts on this thread, including the last 37 posts straight. Many of your posts are seemingly repeats (or almost identical to) adjacent posts you’ve made. You are effectively killing the threads. This is ineffective. Please consider altering your approach. Top That, BatShit77!

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Jan. 02 2015,13:28    Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 01 2014,22:18) Slimey Sal will let his dogma mangle every branch of accepted physics: http://www.uncommondescent.com/physics....-at-you As if. What's the opposite of "clickbait"? -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

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