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someotherguy



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(Permalink) Posted: May 27 2007,12:41   

Much is being said   about AIG's new, laughably insane Creation Museum.  It strike me that, while  many sciencey types will no doubt be visiting and commenting on the museum over the next few weeks, it would be fun to have a vew from ATBC's. . .err. . . uniquely irreverent perspective.

With that in mind, I think it's time to call for volunteers.  Who will be the courageous man/woman/gender neutral person to brave the dangers of the creationist propaganda jungle?  Who among you is willing to shell out the big bucks for the Industrial-strength Irony Meter needed for such a venture?  I call on you, O Brave Midwest and Easterners, to do your duty and spare the rest of us, your geographically-challenged allies, from the agony of waiting any longer.  The Creation Museum must be mocked viciously--and soon!

Whoever is willing to undertake this dangerous mission will, upon your return, be lauded with great praise, massive quantities of beer* and more homosexual innuendo from DaveScot impersonators than you could possibly imagine.  So, do we have any volunteers?

*of the virtual kind

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GCT



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(Permalink) Posted: May 27 2007,12:58   

If I lived in the area I'd probably do it, although the thought of giving $20 to AiG is quite a deterrent.  It's not so much spending $20 as it is giving it to AiG.

  
Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: May 27 2007,13:12   

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and more homosexual innuendo from DaveScot impersonators than you could possibly imagine


Well, we already have that...

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MidnightVoice



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(Permalink) Posted: May 27 2007,13:53   

Next time I am in Kentucky I will see if I can slit my journey, use some hotel points and visit the place.

Gotta be a riot if you take the right attitude  :D

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GCT



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(Permalink) Posted: May 27 2007,17:02   

I don't know who did this

There's some good photos of some of the exhibits.  All we need now is the witty ATBC commentary!

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: May 27 2007,17:08   

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In its attempt to denounce the old age of the Earth, it noted examples of gaseous versus solid planets and their rotations around stars, as well as how "planets and other bodies" can bend light to make it travel faster through space toward Earth--which would refute claims that the Earth must be old enough to see the light of stars many lightyears away.

This is the starting point in the actual teaching of creationism, and is probably why it seemed so awkward to hear about "God's divine plan." Fellow audience members were in awe of the spiraling views of space, and gave their own "amens" and "mmhmms" as the narrator mentioned God's majesty.

   
Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: May 27 2007,20:08   

Where's the stork? I'm offended!

What I want to know is, who did Eve's hair, and was/is he one of those folks in the Bible who lived for hundreds of years? Maybe he's still around? I need to get my hair done.

I saw exactly that same dress in a shop in Guayaquil! It cost $1500. *Whew!* :)

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: May 27 2007,22:06   

Re "What I want to know is, who did Eve's hair, and was/is he one of those folks in the Bible who lived for hundreds of years? Maybe he's still around?"

He drowned. (Think about it! ;) )

Henry

  
Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: May 27 2007,22:39   

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It strike me that, while  many sciencey types will no doubt be visiting and commenting on the museum over the next few weeks,


well, maybe, but they certainly weren't allowed in today!

I found that the height of hypocrisy; Hammy, apparently desperate to show how creationism IS science, refuses entry to the museum to scientists!

I also find it a nice representation of the creationist mindset in general:

desperate to prove they have the "facts", but refuse to listen to criticism.

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Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: May 27 2007,23:36   

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Re "What I want to know is, who did Eve's hair, and was/is he one of those folks in the Bible who lived for hundreds of years? Maybe he's still around?"

He drowned. (Think about it! ;) )

Henry

:O Oh, yeah, yeah...I know...I was just testing... :D

Look, I just want to say one thing: I don't think we should ever, evah give Hammie's museum ONE RED CENT!

Find some way to sneak in, folks - find out when they're having a party, some shindig, and talk your way in or sneak in - I've done it. Just be cool, have some pretext, and you can get in. Don't give them any money! Puh-lease! :) Pretty please with shimmies on top.

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qetzal



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(Permalink) Posted: May 28 2007,00:06   

I liked "Evolution Tree" versus "Creation Orchard."

  
Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: May 28 2007,00:25   

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Where's the stork? I'm offended!


eve is barefoot and pregnant.

uh, is there a kitchen in that diorama?

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Stephen Elliott



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(Permalink) Posted: May 28 2007,12:01   

I am hoping that Raven is right in his/her posts that this "museum" will backfire on the creationists and just show most people how ridiculous this argument is.

OTOH. According to the Times (of London) 50% of the USA population believe that evolution is wrong.
http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol....419.ece

Is that figure (half) correct?

  
Duvenoy



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(Permalink) Posted: May 28 2007,12:55   

I have every intention of visiting it -- life has become dreary and I need a good laugh. I'll probably go late this summer, just before the fall surf fishing season when more important matters are at hand.

Count me among those who think that this might come back to bite AiG in the ass. It is already being held up to ridicule and I doubt that will decrease. I do not think it will become either the recruitment tool or the gold mine that Ham dreams of. On a smaller scale, it's been done before.

I understand that they have "rumbling chairs" in the theater..... Go figger.

doov

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Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: May 28 2007,12:56   

the better question is:

is the poll data meaningful?

example:

from the article you posted-

 
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Although attempts to reintroduce an element of creationism – rebranded as “intelligent design” – into science lessons have foundered, three of ten Republican presidential candidates said in a recent debate that they did not believe in evolution. Opinion polls show consistently that half of Americans believe that humans did not evolve but were created, along with all living creatures, by God 6,000 to 10,000 years ago.


emphasis mine.

there is a difference between the idea of "special creation" and acceptance of the general tenets of evolutionary theory.  Of course, there shouldn't be, but it does tend to throw off exactly what is meant when one uses the gallup poll data.  the article misstates the question that was asked, as the 50% number comes specifically from the HUMANS were created question, not "all living creatures".

that said, general confusion about evolutionary theory is high, and complete acceptance, DOES consistently run very low in the US.

IIRC, only Turkey had a lower rate of acceptance than the US. (either PT or Pharyngula had that poll data posted a few months back)

....and of course Harun Yaha is workin frantically to bring the US to equal Turkey's standard :)

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Stephen Elliott



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(Permalink) Posted: May 28 2007,13:16   

Quote (Ichthyic @ May 28 2007,12:56)
   
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Although attempts to reintroduce an element of creationism – rebranded as “intelligent design” – into science lessons have foundered, three of ten Republican presidential candidates said in a recent debate that they did not believe in evolution. Opinion polls show consistently that half of Americans believe that humans did not evolve but were created, along with all living creatures, by God 6,000 to 10,000 years ago.


emphasis mine.

there is a difference between the idea of "special creation" and acceptance of the general tenets of evolutionary theory.  Of course, there shouldn't be, but it does tend to throw off exactly what is meant when one uses the gallup poll data.  the article misstates the question that was asked, as the 50% number comes specifically from the HUMANS were created question, not "all living creatures".

Is there any real major difference?

Isn't it important to all practical use of the theory of evolution that humans are included?

What use would the medicinal side of evolutionary theory be if humans got created seperately from other creatures?

  
Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: May 28 2007,13:34   

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Is there any real major difference?


no, as i said, there shouldn't be, but there is.

this relates to the general confusion about evolutionary theory that DOES run rampant in the US (and many other countries, too).

the point is not that there isn't confusion on the part of americans, but that the poll questions are answered entirely differently depending on how they are phrased.

so, it's not accurate for that article to use poll data that say that americans believe in special creation to say those same americans entirely discount evolution.

see?

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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: May 28 2007,13:35   

What I want to know is, due to the Museum, will T-Rexes eating coconuts now become a standard tenet of 'consensus Creationism'?  :p

I think the phrase 'Yabba Dabba Doo Science' needs to be used more than it is.

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Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: May 28 2007,13:42   

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I think the phrase 'Yabba Dabba Doo Science' needs to be used more than it is.


Flintstoneism?

BAM BAM!

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Stephen Elliott



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(Permalink) Posted: May 28 2007,14:08   

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Is there any real major difference?


no, as i said, there shouldn't be, but there is.

this relates to the general confusion about evolutionary theory that DOES run rampant in the US (and many other countries, too).

the point is not that there isn't confusion on the part of americans, but that the poll questions are answered entirely differently depending on how they are phrased.

so, it's not accurate for that article to use poll data that say that americans believe in special creation to say those same americans entirely discount evolution.

see?

OK. Would I be wrong now in assuming that you have some problem with me?

You seem to be adressing me in an antagonistic tone in a few posts now. Have I said or done something to offend you? If so then please explain.

The article I linked seemed quite neutral to me.

  
someotherguy



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(Permalink) Posted: May 28 2007,14:12   

Stephen,
FWIW, the response seemed pretty even keel to me.

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Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: May 28 2007,14:15   

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OK. Would I be wrong now in assuming that you have some problem with me?


yes, you would.

I'm just a very blunt guy, in case you hadn't noticed.

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The article I linked seemed quite neutral to me.


that wasn't the issue, as I understood it, based on your question of whether 50% of americans discount evolution.

I merely tried to clarify what the poll data meant, and that the paper added embelishment that wasn't warranted by what the poll was asking, and confuses the issue of exactly what % of americans "discount" evolution.

there are lots of americans who i would say accept evolutionary theory, but make the "special creation" exemption.

Francis Collins as a well known example.

with the way the article you linked to phrased it, Francis Collins would discount evolutionary theory.

I hope that's clearer?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 28 2007,15:34   

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OTOH. According to the Times (of London) 50% of the USA population believe that evolution is wrong.

Pfffft.

Most Americans believe in flying saucers and ESP, too.

But then, most Americans can't find Iraq on a world map.
Heck, about one in eight Americans can't even find the UNITED STATES on a world map.

We are a nation of uneducated morons who don't know a damn thing about anything going on around us.

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"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank



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(Permalink) Posted: May 28 2007,15:36   

I certainly do hope that the pregnant woman will inspire lots and lots of little fundie kids to ask their parents that most dreaded of questions ---- "Where do babies come from?"

Who woulda thought that Ken Ham is a sex educator?

(snicker)  (giggle)

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Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: May 28 2007,15:58   

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Who woulda thought that Ken Ham is a sex educator?


Ken Ham.

Moreover, I think Hammy would be more than happy to convince you that he is an expert on all things, and that he has much to teach in every conceivable field of endeavor or study.

which reminds me, does Hammy put "Dr." in front of his name like Hovind does?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 29 2007,12:50   

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If I lived in the area I'd probably do it, although the thought of giving $20 to AiG is quite a deterrent.  It's not so much spending $20 as it is giving it to AiG.

The Cretin Museum has a chapel.  So after your visit, just nip in there and help yourself to $20 when they pass the plate.

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Stephen Elliott



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(Permalink) Posted: May 29 2007,13:42   

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OK. Would I be wrong now in assuming that you have some problem with me?


yes, you would.

I'm just a very blunt guy, in case you hadn't noticed.

Yes, OK. Fair enough.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 29 2007,16:17   

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Quote (GCT @ May 27 2007,12:58)
If I lived in the area I'd probably do it, although the thought of giving $20 to AiG is quite a deterrent.  It's not so much spending $20 as it is giving it to AiG.

The Cretin Museum has a chapel.  So after your visit, just nip in there and help yourself to $20 when they pass the plate.

The point was that I don't want to give my $20 to AiG.  Getting my $20 back wouldn't assuage my guilt at giving money to those snake oil salesmen.

  
Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: May 29 2007,16:46   

Eight out of eight Americans know that Paris Hilton has been sentenced to 45 days in jail.

Americans care about the important stuff and the rest just takes care of itself.  Like, whatever, dude.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 29 2007,16:52   

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Quote (GCT @ May 27 2007,12:58)
If I lived in the area I'd probably do it, although the thought of giving $20 to AiG is quite a deterrent.  It's not so much spending $20 as it is giving it to AiG.

The Cretin Museum has a chapel.  So after your visit, just nip in there and help yourself to $20 when they pass the plate.

The point was that I don't want to give my $20 to AiG.  Getting my $20 back wouldn't assuage my guilt at giving money to those snake oil salesmen.

Would stealing $40 help?

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