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The Ghost of Paley



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2006,15:01   

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now you see it wouldn't be slander Paley - because I wrote it down.

See the wikipedia source. I was clearly using the vernacular meaning. We can argue "point-of-publication" issues and their applicability to the Internet if you'd like, but your statements are clearly not libelous by American standards (but not for the reason you think). So no matter how you look at it, you're wrong. You lose - again.

Hurts to be out-argued by a "redneck", don't it? My, what will your students think?

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Dean Morrison



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2006,15:02   

Selective quotation I see Paley (full quote below) - but doesn't help you much.
I don't know when you became an 'common British person'? - what Wikipedia doesn't really explain that mixing up 'Slander' and 'libel' is a common mistake of the uneducated in both countries - rather like mixing up 'lend' and 'borrow'.
Or saying 'I'll learn you a lesson'!
Common maybe - good English? I think not.

An interesting legal point would be that in your case you would accuse me of 'blackening the memory of the dead' as you are a Ghostly entity - something for which we have no provision for in English Law - you can say what you like about someone when they're dead.

Since you hide behind a pseudonym I guess you wouldn't be protected anyway - although it might make for an interesting piece of case law.



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Libel and Slander

In English and American law, and systems based on them, libel and slander are two forms of defamation (or defamation of character), which is the tort or delict of publishing (meaning to a third party) a false statement that negatively affects someone's reputation. "Defamation" is the term generally used internationally, and is accordingly used in this article where it is not necessary to distinguish between "libel" and "slander".

Libel and Slander

"Libel", "slander", and "defamation" are commonly used as synonyms in ordinary language, at least in Britain and Ireland. However, those jurisdictions that distinguish "libel" and "slander" as legal concepts do so on the following broad basis: defamatory communication in writing is termed "libel" while one made via the spoken word is termed "slander". However, because the underlying distinction is between permanent and transient communications, some jurisdictions regard all defamatory communications (even spoken statements) broadcast on radio or television as "libel". Both acts share a common legal history, although they may be treated differently under some legal systems. According to the American and English Encyclopedia of Law, a libel is a malicious defamation expressed either by writing or printing or by signs, pictures, effigies or the like; tending to blacken the memory of one who is dead, or to impeach the honesty, integrity, virtue or reputation, or to publish the natural or alleged defects of one who is alive, thereby exposing him to public hatred, contempt, ridicule or obloquy; or to cause him to be avoided or shunned or to injure him in his office, business or occupation.


Do you consider yourself to be some kind of lawyer by the way Paley???

  
Dean Morrison



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2006,15:08   

'out-argued' ? now this really is a dreadful concoction -

My only student is you Paley and I'm afraid I've come to the conclusion you need to drop a class.

see you for school tommorrow - don't be late!

  
The Ghost of Paley



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2006,15:16   

My, aren't you a fast typist?
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I don't know when you became an 'common British person'? - what Wikipedia doesn't really explain that mixing up 'Slander' and 'libel' is a common mistake of the uneducated in both countries - rather like mixing up 'lend' and 'borrow'.

Once again, you whipped out the dictionary, not me. Don't get upset when I prove that English is not your strong suit. And you really need to brush up on linguistics while you're at it - there are no such things as "bad" dialects. See, you shoulda read McWhorter like I told you.............
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Since you hide behind a pseudonym I guess you wouldn't be protected anyway - although it might make for an interesting piece of case law.

I have to agree here. But since your statements don't constitute libel anyway, I guess we'll have to remain ignernt. I ain't the suin' type noways. :D
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Do you consider yourself to be some kind of lawyer by the way Paley???

Nope. And I'm not a professional card player either. But I know when someone's been dealing from the bottom of the deck.................
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'out-argued' ? now this really is a dreadful concoction -

If you click on the link, all will be revealed...........

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The Ghost of Paley



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2006,15:24   

Please don't tell me you're not a teacher....how disappointing! All this time I was relishing the thought of making you look like a jackass in front of your own students. Almost like this guy.

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Dean Morrison



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2006,15:30   

I didn't say that there were such things as bad dialects - I slip between Devonian, Scouse and Scots myself. Which dialect had you decided to start using by the way?

However when I come across a supposedly educated person like yourself it dissapoints me to see you making such an elementary error.

I did offer to correct the English in your 'paper'. Might help if you tell me what dialect you will be writing this in though... Swedish Chef perhaps?

  
Dean Morrison



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2006,15:38   

I'm more of a fan of Mrs Henn myself:

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1051/1051_01.asp

.. but luckily for you Paley you're so dumb you need your own private tutor...

(If you think that quoting Chick tracts is going to impress any lurkers then I think you'll find you're mistaken)

  
The Ghost of Paley



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2006,15:40   

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I didn't say that there were such things as bad dialects - I slip between Devonian, Scouse and Scots myself.

Contrast this with:
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don't know when you became an 'common British person'? - what Wikipedia doesn't really explain that mixing up 'Slander' and 'libel' is a common mistake of the uneducated in both countries - rather like mixing up 'lend' and 'borrow'.
Or saying 'I'll learn you a lesson'!
Common maybe - good English? I think not.

Geez, Yenta, try to make it a little more difficult, or else suspicious types will think you're my publicist. :D
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However when I come across a supposedly educated person like yourself it dissapoints me to see you making such an elementary error.

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I did offer to correct the English in your 'paper'.

It's "disappoints", Yenta. Perhaps we both need tutoring in that most difficult of languages (known as "good English" in the vernacular).

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The Ghost of Paley



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 09 2006,15:49   

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I'm more of a fan of Mrs Henn myself:

Thanks for the link; I'll have to read it later. Well I'm off now - have your way with me if you must. But before taking too many liberties, just remember:

Your ass is grass and I'm the lawnmower.

:D  :D  :D

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Dean Morrison



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 10 2006,01:25   

Okay - I'll correct your Swedish Chef for you:

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Thunks fur zee leenk; I'll hefe-a tu reed it leter. Hurty flurty schnipp schnipp! Vell I'm ooffff noo - hefe-a yuoor vey veet me-a iff yuoo moost. Um de hur de hur de hur. Boot beffure-a tekeeng tuu muny leeberties, joost remember: Yuoor ess is gress und I'm zee levnmooer. Hurty flurty schnipp schnipp!


Although this sounds more authentically you:

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Thanks fo' th' link; I'll hafta read it later. Wal ah's off now - haf yer way wif me eff'n yo' muss. But befo'e takin' too menny liberties, jest remember: Yer ass is grass an' ah's th' lawnmower.


rather than this at least:

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Danks fo' de link; I'll gots'ta eyeball it later. Ah be baaad... Well I'm off now - gots yo' way wid me if ya' must. Man! But befo'e takin' too many liberties, plum remember, dig dis: Yo' ass be grass and I'm de lawnmower. Ah be baaad...


Well if you ever want to come to England old chum and you want to talk in the vernacular - this is how you'll have to put it when you get to London (heavens forbid! )

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Fanks fer the link; I'll 'ave ter read it later. Well I'm orff naw - 'ave yor way wiv me if yer must. But befaw takin' too many liberties, right, just remember: Yor arse is grarse and I'm bloody well the lornmower.


Liberties taken - thanks - you're a good sport to be so willing to be the 'receiver' like this old chum.

;)

  
The Ghost of Paley



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2006,06:49   

Wow, Yenta, a man of your talents deserves an ambassadorship. Perhaps you can bridge the much-needed gap between Evilutionism and hillbilly culture. You mighta orta keep your ebonics in the suitcase though: some black Amuricans could resent your interpretation of their dialect.  :D  Ah'm jest sayin'......(hillbilly fer "Something to consider, my good man.")

Oh yeah, has Tara found a date for you yet?

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Dean Morrison



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2006,08:00   

Back for more Paley?

Congratulations! you taught me a new word - 'ebonics' - not one we use over here. Not my interpretation though - go figure - and if you notice it's about fifty years out of date.

Tara's girls sound  waaay out of my league - still - since 'charm' is a concept with which you are evidently unfamiliar then I reckon I'd stand one more cat in 'hades' chance than your sweet self. :D

  
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