RFJE
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Joined: Feb. 2009
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| Quote (RFJE @ Feb. 18 2009,22:43) | Yeah I could once relate to your comments, I once told some Jesus people to leave my front door. When they asked me why the only thing I could think to tell them was that I didn't like them. But that's when I liked chemistry--in my head. Yes I would say the peace of God is nothing like any numbing drug as in alcohol or cocaine.
Hi Louis and all,
**Okay friends, back to the goalposts. By the way I do work quite a bit--my family likes to eat. I have also been studying. NONE of this is from creationist research. It is your theory.
A. Just an introductory point: Could someone solve this equation for me. 2xyz + 6(a - b) - 5x=c
Surely someone could solve this and give me the answer that I'm thinking in my mind. Answer: you don't know what I'm thinking, and there are too many variables. So evolutionists would just assign values to the variables and give an absolute value to c. There it fits, so it's a fact! The problem is I was most likely thinking something else in my mind for c. SO you didn't really solve it. In this case, I am hypothetically a being that observed the entire past of earth, and c = what really happened.
B.Life making conditions at abiogenesis?
**Louis, your theory says the earth is about 4.6 (?) years old, and you built an entire geologic age (hadean) with hardly any traces (big variable). Correct me if I'm wrong, but according to at least some, the earth degassed through volcanic activity--out came water vapor, CO2, N, methane, and what else I don't remember (don't have time to find the material) to create an anaerobic atmosphere.
1. If there was water vapor and CO2, then there was O on earth. I already know about the O catastrophe, but even in your theory you admit there was O, quite alot of it apparently-- there was enough water vapor to condense and fill the oceans.
2. Nonsarcastic question: With all that CO2, wouldn't the temperature have been extremely hot, plus no ozone? Heat and radiation. Nasty! Maybe like Venus huh? bobthelien.co.uk
"The swirling clouds look peaceful, but they are definitely not! The planet receives heat from the Sun...unable to escape back into space ...Temperatures can reach up to 600°c..."
"The cloud...is full of deadly sulphuric acids droplets, not water droplets as on Earth. Nearly all of Venus' atmosphere is made up of carbon dioxide,
3. Chemistry not my subject, as you know, but all those gases sound really nasty mixing together, especially with unprotected sunlight coming in. What kind of nasty toxins would that have created.
**I did actually read that Stanley Miller had to isolate alot of sludgey toxins from the mix just so he could get the toxic racemic mixture of the few amino acids made. Alot of intelligent interference there. Apparently it takes intelligent interference to create organic (if you would qualify the mixture as organic) materials from inorganic materials
**In your theory, cyanobacteria (blue green algae) appear at about 3.5 billion years in the fossil record, not the archaens, which would have made more sense to me since they can live in alot of heat (still alive today as well as the cyanobacteria, hmm). There was the oxygen catastrophe around 2.2 billion years ago, caused by the microorganisms of that era, which in turn killed many of them.
**Just a parenthetical note Louis. Something from Plant Physiology, American Society of Plant Biologists
"First published online March 26, 2004; Plant Physiology © 2004 American Society of Plant Biologists
[CHECK OUT THE TITLE]
"A Novel Role of Water-Soluble Chlorophyll Proteins in the Transitory Storage of Chorophyllide1,2"
**WELL AT LEAST THERE ARE SOME PROTEINS THAT ARE WATER SOLUBLE. Don't cyanobacteria have chorophyll in them? I mean they did/do the photosynthesis thing. Seems kind of risky to let that out of the bag. Perhaps their ancestor (the first grandpa) had some water soluble chorophyll in him!
**Anyway, your oxygen catastrophe has some "evidence." You know it I know, but so you know I have researched it.
The oxygen catastrophe www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/precambian/proterastrat.html
The first "pollution crisis" hit the Earth about 2.2 billion years ago. Several pieces of evidence -- the presence of iron oxides in paleosols (fossil soils), the appearance of "red beds" containing metal oxides, and others -- point to a fairly rapid increase in levels of oxygen in the atmosphere at about this time.
This is a non-deduction. Deduction requires the ruling out of all other possibilities. It is circumstantial evidence. The oxides could have been caused by water. You know creationist would stick this in their model too. Another scenario built on a variable.
** I have also read about how some believe iron deposits show evidence of O2. Fe++ to Fe+++ (are these ions or what, I really need to take chemistry, so sue me). This is an admitted hypothesis. Again water is a possibility.
C. Oxygen ( CO2, H2O) was on the earth, but it was all underground, none of it in the atmosphere--right. But if it wasn't, you had no O3 either, so lots of radiation. But radiation causes chemical reactions and hopefully mutations! Yeah , I'm sure alot of chemical reactions are happening when a guy stands by an ultra violet light for a while.
1. Nasa.gov --search uv light:Health effects of UV-B light
"Genetic damage DNA absorbs UV-B light and the absorbed energy can break bonds in the DNA...one method that scientists use to analyze amounts of 'genetically-damaging UV-B is to expose samples of DNA to the light and then count the number of breaks in the DNA. For example J.Regan's work at the Florida Institute of Technology ...genetically significant doses of solar radiation could penetrate as far as 9 feet into non-turbulant ocean water."
2.Posted By: Jill Irvin RD, Staff, Food and Nutrition, Ohio State University. Area of science: Chemistry
"So now, back to denaturization. When a protein is stressed, like during heating (cooking an egg), stirring (whipping up egg whites) [OR EXPOSURE TO UV LIGHT], the bonds that hold a protein in its tertiary structure will begin to break..."
(Parenthetical) "For example, denatured proteins usually becomes less soluble, that is, it doesn't dissolve in water as well...." same source
**Louis, you really need to talk to these science people that keep disagreeing with you about protein and water.
D.If all this CO2 was on earth and we were like Venus, how did the water vapor condense to form oceans?!!!!!! That is if all these gases could have somehow stayed seperated. But I would suspect they probably wouldn't have.
1."Early Earth probably had an atmosphere dominated by carbon dioxide similar to the atmosphere of Venus today." eesc.columbia.edu--Early Earth and the Evolution of the Atmosphere
2."The cloud that covers Venus is not like the cloud[s] that we have in our skies. It is full of deadly sulphuric acids droplets, not water droplets as on Earth" bobthealien.co.uk
Sincerely,
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Venus?? Sulfuric acid rain might have stopped protein formation or anything--ya think. They must not have meant to said that. Was that Columbia? Yes it was. Maybe their closet creationists.
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