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Hermagoras



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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2008,10:59   

Quote (Quidam @ May 14 2008,10:15)
Of the things one can legitimately criticize DoL for, that sentence is not one.

I don't know.  As a writing teacher, I think every sentence Denyse writes is subject to revision.

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2008,11:02   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ May 14 2008,16:24)
But why limit ourselves to legitimate criticism? That would be deadly dull.

Because we have no need to go for illegitmate criticism. They give us so much to legitmately criticise we have a lifetime of work to do. If we want to of course.

Mind you, ragging on them for comedy is also something of a laugh.

;-)

Louis

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carlsonjok



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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2008,11:14   

Quote (Lou FCD @ May 14 2008,10:46)
Quote (Quidam @ May 14 2008,11:15)
Of the things one can legitimately criticize DoL for, that sentence is not one.

ihateu

You did that on purpose, to grate on healing nerves.  I'll spend the rest of the day banging my head on the wall.

Or just lay back and focus on the thought of O'Leary's dangling participles.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2008,11:22   

Quote (Louis @ May 14 2008,11:02)
Because we have no need to go for illegitmate criticism.

Criticizing bastards.

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2008,11:25   

I bet her participles are wrinkly, bewarted and covered in a silky sheen of pubescence, punctuated by large coarse scale hairs growing in tufts (or sprigs, if you will).  And that is if you dare attempt to brave the first circle of hell in order to free them from the cavity where they are stored.  No thanks.

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2008,11:43   

Quote (Richardthughes @ May 14 2008,12:22)
Quote (Louis @ May 14 2008,11:02)
Because we have no need to go for illegitmate criticism.

Criticizing bastards.

lol

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2008,12:02   

You don't have to be a complete Tard to be a DI fellow, but it helps...

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyng....ing.php

Actually, you do have to be a world class Tard.

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
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JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2008,12:08   

Quote (didymos @ May 13 2008,17:24)
...which is just an excuse for me to mention this:
 
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When it comes to citing examples of purposeful design, nearly every author likes to point out the hen's egg. It's really quite remarkable. Despite having a shell that is a mere 0.35 mm think, they don't break when a parent sits on them. According to Dr. Knut Schmidt-Nielsen,

   A bird egg is a mechanical structure strong enough to hold a chick securely during development, yet weak enough to break out of. The shell must let oxygen in and carbon dioxide out, yet be sufficiently impermeable to water to keep the contents from drying out.

Under microscopy, one can see the shell is a foamlike structure that resists cracking. Gases and water pass through 10,000 pores that average 17 micrometers in diameter. Ultimately, 6 liters of oxygen will have been taken in and 4.5 liters of carbon dioxide given off. The yolk is its food. All life support systems are self-contained, like a space shuttle.

All hen's eggs are ready to hatch on the twenty-first day. Every day is precisely preprogrammed. The heart starts beating on the sixth day. On the nineteenth day the embryo uses its egg tooth to puncture the air sac (beneath the flat end) and then takes two days to crack through the shell.


That's it.  That's the whole thing:  Just look at it, man!  It's like, totally designed, yah?  I mean, dude.  Duuuuude.  DUDE.  The chicken, it like: Sits. On. The. Egg.  Sits on it!  And it DOESN'T BREAK!  What is up with that shit?  I mean, C'MON!   Dude, you know what sounds awesome right now?  Scrambled Eggs.  And Tabasco sauce.  Can you drive?

I saw that quote, and thought "Almost-perfect example of the standard-issue ID argument - lots of detail, but essentially just personal incredulity.  But it's missing the usual tag-line of 'buy my book'."

So I went to the source.  It begins with:
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Note: This is one of a series of posts excerpted from my book, Billions of Missing Links: A Rational Look at the Mysteries Evolution Can't Explain.

and ends with
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Taken from: Billions of Missing Links (Harvest House Publishers, 2007)

Evolution in action!  We started with an existing pattern:
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Personal incredulity.

Buy my book.

Now we've had a mutation, causing a duplication of some of the material:
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Buy my book.

Personal incredulity.

Buy my book.

This mutation is neutral - it adds no information, while making the post no worse.  (I read it with and without the first paragraph.  It's bollocks either way.)  But now, there's the possibility of a  beneficial mutation, which adds information to the message (although it's highly likely to still be bollocks).  I'll be on the lookout in future for something along the lines of
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God did it.

Personal incredulity.

Buy my book.

or perhaps
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Buy my book.

Personal incredulity.

Scientists are Nazis.

Exciting times indeed for ID!

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There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2008,12:16   

I like these. I wonder what the minimum number of structural elements needed are to be able to reduce any ID screed?

God did it
Personal incredulity
Buy my book
Religion is science
Science is religion
Argument to consequences
Argument to popularity
...?

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
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"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2008,12:24   

Quote (Richardthughes @ May 14 2008,10:16)
I like these. I wonder what the minimum number of structural elements needed are to be able to reduce any ID screed?

God did it
Personal incredulity
Buy my book
Religion is science
Science is religion
Argument to consequences
Argument to popularity
...?

You forgot "Scientists are Nazis".

If it's Denyse, add "I'm Canadian!"

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2008,12:36   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ May 14 2008,12:24)
Quote (Richardthughes @ May 14 2008,10:16)
I like these. I wonder what the minimum number of structural elements needed are to be able to reduce any ID screed?

God did it
Personal incredulity
Buy my book
Religion is science
Science is religion
Argument to consequences
Argument to popularity
...?

You forgot "Scientists are Nazis".

If it's Denyse, add "I'm Canadian!"

Sceintists are Nazis

evolved from

Scientists are Atheists
Atheists are Nazis

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2008,13:52   

Quote (Hermagoras @ May 14 2008,10:59)
Quote (Quidam @ May 14 2008,10:15)
Of the things one can legitimately criticize DoL for, that sentence is not one.

I don't know.  As a writing teacher, I think every sentence Denyse writes is subject to revision.

I believe that this is the only correct answer.

Anyone holding another view should be labeled a heretic and cast out into the void from which they came, and doomed to spend their eternity in hell, or as a UD poster, which ever is worse.

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Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10

Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
Hermagoras



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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2008,14:30   

SCheesman misses LNF:
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Where is LarryNormanFan? He would have provided the following lyric from the ’70s Larry Norman song “U.F.O”:
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and if there’s life on other planets / then I’m sure that He must know / and He’s been there once already / and has died to save their souls

(In Another Land, Larry Norman, 1973, Glenwood Music Corp., Strawbed Music)

I wonder what happened to LNF. . . .

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Hermagoras



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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2008,14:33   

Here's what I was looking for!
larrynormanfan insults D O'L.
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Hyperbole, thy name is O’Leary.
larrynormanfan - I don’t like your tone. Thy name here is history. -ds

DaveScot, so quick to defend O'Leary's honor.

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Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2008,14:36   

Quote (Hermagoras @ May 14 2008,15:30)
SCheesman misses LNF:      
Quote

Where is LarryNormanFan? He would have provided the following lyric from the ’70s Larry Norman song “U.F.O”:
     
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and if there’s life on other planets / then I’m sure that He must know / and He’s been there once already / and has died to save their souls

(In Another Land, Larry Norman, 1973, Glenwood Music Corp., Strawbed Music)

I wonder what happened to LNF. . . .

Larry ended his preposition with a sentence, as documented here.

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Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
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Quidam



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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2008,14:51   

Quote (carlsonjok @ May 14 2008,10:14)
Or just lay back and focus on the thought of O'Leary's dangling participles.

Talking of dangling participles

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The organized fossils ... and their localities also, may be understood by all, even the most illiterate. William Smith, Strata. 1816

  
dnmlthr



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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2008,14:54   

Quote (Richardthughes @ May 14 2008,18:02)
You don't have to be a complete Tard to be a DI fellow, but it helps...

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyng....ing.php

Actually, you do have to be a world class Tard.

The scariest words imaginable.

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Hello, I'm Dr Egnor and today I will be operating on your brain


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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2008,15:21   

Quote (dnmlthr @ May 14 2008,15:54)
Quote (Richardthughes @ May 14 2008,18:02)
You don't have to be a complete Tard to be a DI fellow, but it helps...

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyng....ing.php

Actually, you do have to be a world class Tard.

The scariest words imaginable.

 
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Hello, I'm Dr Egnor and today I will be operating on your brain

I dunno.

Quote
Hello, I'm President Bush and I'll be operating your country.


has to rank right up there.

Edited by Lou FCD on May 14 2008,16:21

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Quidam



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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2008,15:37   

Quote (Lou FCD @ May 14 2008,09:46)
Quote (Quidam @ May 14 2008,11:15)
Of the things one can legitimately criticize DoL for, that sentence is not one.

ihateu

You did that on purpose, to grate on healing nerves.  I'll spend the rest of the day banging my head on the wall.

Thank you - it wasn't easy.

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Tracy P. Hamilton



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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2008,15:41   

Quote (JohnW @ May 14 2008,12:08)
 
Evolution in action!  We started with an existing pattern:
   
Quote
Personal incredulity.

Buy my book.

Now we've had a mutation, causing a duplication of some of the material:
   
Quote
Buy my book.

Personal incredulity.

Buy my book.

This mutation is neutral - it adds no information, while making the post no worse.  (I read it with and without the first paragraph.  It's bollocks either way.)  But now, there's the possibility of a  beneficial mutation, which adds information to the message (although it's highly likely to still be bollocks).  I'll be on the lookout in future for something along the lines of
   
Quote
God did it.

Personal incredulity.

Buy my book.

or perhaps
   
Quote
Buy my book.

Personal incredulity.

Scientists are Nazis.

Exciting times indeed for ID!


The next step:
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Watch my movie.

Personal incredulity.

Scientists are Nazis.



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PTET



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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2008,17:40   

Quote (Hermagoras @ May 14 2008,14:33)
Here's what I was looking for!
larrynormanfan insults D O'L.  
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Hyperbole, thy name is O’Leary.
larrynormanfan - I don’t like your tone. Thy name here is history. -ds

DaveScot, so quick to defend O'Leary's honor.

I totally hearted LarryNormanFan. He is sorely missed.

Ofc, only DaveScot is allowed to be unimaginably rude to Dense O'Liary. Hypocrisy, thy name is DaveScot...

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Even the attempt to formulate ID is a generous accommodation." - ScottAndrews

   
Quidam



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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2008,20:16   

Quote (Hermagoras @ May 14 2008,09:08)
Lipstick on a pig.

Lipstick on a pig?

That I can do.



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(Permalink) Posted: May 14 2008,22:37   

Quote (carlsonjok @ May 14 2008,11:14)
Quote (Lou FCD @ May 14 2008,10:46)
 
Quote (Quidam @ May 14 2008,11:15)
Of the things one can legitimately criticize DoL for, that sentence is not one.

ihateu

You did that on purpose, to grate on healing nerves.  I'll spend the rest of the day banging my head on the wall.

Or just lay back and focus on the thought of O'Leary's dangling participles.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Gah!  My Brain!

I need to wash my brain.

Curse you!

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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2008,03:21   

(Totally off-topic.  Feel free to remove to Bathroom wall.)

I'm not sure but I think I have (drum roll please) MARK HARTWIG on the line!!

(...awkward silence...)

Mark Hartwig?  He's a Fellow of the Discovery Institute?

(...a tumble weed rolls gently past...)

Well, um, anyway...
He's shown up just now at a thread on a N.Z. fundy site.
Hopefully he'll say something interestingly tardible.
Feel free to chip in with a question.

http://christiannews.co.nz/2007....nt-4875

We now return to your regularly scheduled programming.

  
J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2008,08:16   

Quote (Cedric Katesby @ May 15 2008,03:21)
(Totally off-topic.  Feel free to remove to Bathroom wall.)

I'm not sure but I think I have (drum roll please) MARK HARTWIG on the line!!

(...awkward silence...)

Mark Hartwig?  He's a Fellow of the Discovery Institute?

(...a tumble weed rolls gently past...)

Well, um, anyway...
He's shown up just now at a thread on a N.Z. fundy site.
Hopefully he'll say something interestingly tardible.
Feel free to chip in with a question.

http://christiannews.co.nz/2007....nt-4875

We now return to your regularly scheduled programming.

Cedric - Good to see that the DI Fellows are still exhibiting solidarity.  He still hasn't answered you.  Probably never will.

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Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2008,09:23   

Dippy Joe:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-288685

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Joseph

05/15/2008

8:05 am
Allen,

Metal rusts and silicon can crack.

Also, if science is correct, a silicon and metal “entity” requires a meat-based entity to create it.

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If there are interstellar travelers, they clearly would not be made out of meat.-Allen


And you know this, how?


Joe has pointed out that the deadly 'space mist' might cause some rusting. It's not like vacuum is famous for preserving things or anything.. Does he think that Allen is talking about becoming a robot who drinks tea, has a bath, etc whilst waiting thousands of years for his interstellar voyage to finish?

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
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"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2008,10:19   

I've noticed it before, but now its happened to one of my posts...

Are the admins aware that the board doesn't create a new page for the first post on that page? You can get to it by URL manipulation, but the link doesn't appear until the second post on that page. Which should be this one. ;)

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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2008,10:23   

Quote (Nerull @ May 15 2008,11:19)
I've noticed it before, but now its happened to one of my posts...

Are the admins aware that the board doesn't create a new page for the first post on that page? You can get to it by URL manipulation, but the link doesn't appear until the second post on that page. Which should be this one. ;)

Long threads weird out sometimes, which necessitates a minor fix.  Should be good now.

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Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

   
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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2008,10:47   

Quote (Richardthughes @ May 15 2008,11:43)
   
Quote (Lou FCD @ May 15 2008,10:41)
We begin to stray from UD here, but I would like to see an expert (a little help, heddle?) chime in here, if for no other reason than curiosity.

Also, there's a web calucator here, though it's just some website and I have no idea if it's accurate.

New thread? Its Sci Fi esque! DT will be jealous!

Sure.  We'll call it research for my book JanieBelle's book, the main purpose of which is to mock cdesign proponentsists.

Copy the relevant comments from this thread, and I'll send these to the BW when you're done.

Edit to give credit where credit is due.



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Relief, by Xenocryst.


Creationists in Space conversation moved here.

Edited by Lou FCD on May 15 2008,12:34

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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2008,11:40   

Bonus Tard (I'll keep this one on UD)

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-288689

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tribune7

05/15/2008

9:37 am
Meat, unlike metal and silicon, can repair itself. It’s almost like it was fearfully and wonderfully designed or something.


Tribune just leaves things in the fridge forever. It might smell like ass but it will get 'round to repairing itself at some point..

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