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NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2016,13:17   

Your effluent is still viciously circular Gary.

  
N.Wells



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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2016,13:29   

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Which RNAs do you not wish to classify as intelligent, and what's your justification for distinguishing intelligent and non-intelligent RNA?

Answered here:
sandwalk.blogspot.com/2016/05/research-for-book.html?showComment=1463333322338#c735562532888783046

That doesn't answer the question aboout intelligent RNA vs non-intelligent RNA at all. Also, that does not constitute an operational definition.  It still doesn't make sense, it still includes autofocus cameras and Neato vacuum cleaners as intelligent, it still excludes acorns (contrary to your implied claim that all life is intelligent) and evaluating your life or planning your future, it still abuses technical terms, and the Stephen Hawking exception doesn't work.

This can usefully be approached by answering ChemiCat's earlier question: 6) Which of the family of RNA molecules are "intelligent"? How have you verified your answer?

Note that Chris also considers that you are wrong about the nature of science:  
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No, Gary, I'm saying that scientists are not required to spend their resources investigating every armchair hypothesis put forward on the internet. And not doing so is not any indication of some vast conspiracy. Scientists are not a monolithic entity trying to preserve some ideology. That would be religion. Scientists are highly decentralized and generally critical of each other.


Also, which biochemistry forum were you asking about unimolecular RNA?

  
NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2016,13:38   

Quote (N.Wells @ May 15 2016,14:29)
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Also, which biochemistry forum were you asking about unimolecular RNA?

The one in his head.  The place where all the voices agree he is insightful and correct.

Kind of like Eric Cartman, but without the charm and civilty.

  
GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2016,14:21   

I'm busy writing the conference paper. Thankfully they have not yet begun reviewing the ones that were already submitted so I will have time to polish up the rough draft that I now have. Since explaining the cognitive origin of the scientific method belongs in a Theory of Intelligent Design it might be the basis that later solves my problem of making the theory properly flow from one thing to another.

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N.Wells



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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2016,14:26   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ May 15 2016,14:21)
I'm busy writing the conference paper. Thankfully they have not yet begun reviewing the ones that were already submitted so I will have time to polish up the rough draft that I now have. Since explaining the cognitive origin of the scientific method belongs in a Theory of Intelligent Design it might be the basis that later solves my problem of making the theory properly flow from one thing to another.

My money is on "Not".

  
ChemiCat



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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2016,15:09   

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Oh and "dingy" should be spelled "dinghy". I built her when I was in my early teens or before (and bad at spelling), but she recently had a fresh coat of paint that strengthened her hull even more. For her age she's not at all dingy looking.


You didn't mention this post from Sandwalk did you, Gaulin? I wonder why.

I see that your spelling hasn't improved in those intervening years. Much like your incompetent not-a-theory.

  
N.Wells



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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2016,15:25   

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Oh and "dingy" should be spelled "dinghy". I built her when I was in my early teens or before (and bad at spelling), but she recently had a fresh coat of paint that strengthened her hull even more. For her age she's not at all dingy looking.


You didn't mention this post from Sandwalk did you, Gaulin? I wonder why.

I see that your spelling hasn't improved in those intervening years. Much like your incompetent not-a-theory.

Rewriting his not-a-theory strengthens it exactly the way that a fresh coat of paint strengthens the hull of his boat. NOT.  (Unless the boat is literally crumbling to dust as we look at it, I suppose, in which case the analogy would work very well.)  

Do you suppose he paints any better than he writes?

  
NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2016,18:11   

Oh, c'mon -- he just barely metabolizes better than he writes.
Good thing it's autonomic.

  
N.Wells



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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2016,21:13   

Gary, ongoing at Sandwalk, demonstrates a pattern in his "thinking"
https://sandwalk.blogspot.com/2016.......nt-form

 
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In comparison to the models I have been developing the Darwinian models are obsolete 18'th century generalization based antiques.


A reader points out:    
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Charles Darwin wasn't born until 1809. He published the first draft of The Origin of Species in 1859. The 1800's were the *nineteenth* century.  If you're having this much trouble with basic arithmetic, Gary, could that explain some of your problems getting grant money?


Gary reassesses and revises, but doubles down on his original mistake that Natural Selection is obsolete:
 
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Word has it that Charles Darwin was not the first to describe "selection" and where Arab naturalists are considered it's 6'th century thinking. But 19'th century is back enough it time to get my point across.


Finally he decides to check the facts    
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Just to be on the safe side I just checked dates and it looks like at least 9'th century thinking: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki.......l-Jahiz
and/or:
[URL=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kit%C4%81b_al-Hayaw%C4%81n


And then he goes ahead and screws up his own source, changing 9th century to 1st century:    
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With all the controversy over the exact date and who was really first just pick a number from 0 to 19 and I'm OK with it.


In short, facts, schmacts.  Details don't matter, because the point that Gary pulled them out of his rear to support is going to survive no matter what.  And damnit, Gary is going to stick with his idee fixe that Darwin / natural selection has to be looked down upon as antiquated / obsolete / non-original / whatever even though the cited details are wrong and the overall argument has morphed into a something completely bogus in an attempt to bolster the original error.  (Specifically, al-Jahiz mentioned the struggle for existence, but did not lay out anything like the theory of evolution in general or natural selection in particular.)  

   
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But it seems as though you would have had to model both to know why the methodology I now use antiquates what academia regularly gets millions of dollars to develop and teach. Darwinian algorithms cannot even predict whether the system being modeled is intelligent or not, which makes all the "evolving intelligence" with then a waste of time and money.
You can't predict that either.  You'd need acceptable and usable definitions, a valid operational definition, and a logical basis for making a prediction, none of which you have.

  
GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2016,21:26   

I already have a paper that's good enough to go!

The sections for RNA and such ended up being more info than is needed for the topic of the conference, which saved me around a week's worth of additional work. I'll save it for the next one.

It still needs some polishing up but at least I made the initial deadline, which is tomorrow.

This deserves a celebration song!

Katrina & The Waves - Walking On Sunshine
www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPUmE-tne5U

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Glen Davidson



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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2016,21:51   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ May 15 2016,21:26)
I already have a paper that's good enough to go!

The sections for RNA and such ended up being more info than is needed for the topic of the conference, which saved me around a week's worth of additional work. I'll save it for the next one.

It still needs some polishing up but at least I made the initial deadline, which is tomorrow.

Turds usually do need polishing.

Hard to do, and they're still turds afterward, though.

Glen Davidson

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GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2016,23:21   

Quote (Glen Davidson @ May 15 2016,21:51)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ May 15 2016,21:26)
I already have a paper that's good enough to go!

The sections for RNA and such ended up being more info than is needed for the topic of the conference, which saved me around a week's worth of additional work. I'll save it for the next one.

It still needs some polishing up but at least I made the initial deadline, which is tomorrow.

Turds usually do need polishing.

Hard to do, and they're still turds afterward, though.

Glen Davidson

Stop projecting. Just because after over 150 years of polishing the turd you have been helping to buff it still looks like crap does not mean that all scientific theories are full of shit.

And by the way the title of the paper is "Cognitive Origin of the Scientific Method" not "Theory of Intelligent Design". But the way it reads will make many readers wonder whether it is or not.

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GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2016,23:24   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ May 15 2016,23:21)
Quote (Glen Davidson @ May 15 2016,21:51)
 
Quote (GaryGaulin @ May 15 2016,21:26)
I already have a paper that's good enough to go!

The sections for RNA and such ended up being more info than is needed for the topic of the conference, which saved me around a week's worth of additional work. I'll save it for the next one.

It still needs some polishing up but at least I made the initial deadline, which is tomorrow.

Turds usually do need polishing.

Hard to do, and they're still turds afterward, though.

Glen Davidson

Stop projecting. Just because after over 150 years of polishing the turd you have been helping to buff it still looks like crap does not mean that all scientific theories are full of shit.

And by the way the title of the paper is "Cognitive Origin of the Scientific Method" not "Theory of Intelligent Design". But the way it reads will make many readers wonder whether it is or not.

Edit for grammar:

Stop projecting. Just because after over 150 years of polishing the turd you have been helping to buff still looks like crap does not mean that all scientific theories are full of shit.

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Glen Davidson



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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2016,23:39   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ May 15 2016,23:24)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ May 15 2016,23:21)
 
Quote (Glen Davidson @ May 15 2016,21:51)
 
Quote (GaryGaulin @ May 15 2016,21:26)
I already have a paper that's good enough to go!

The sections for RNA and such ended up being more info than is needed for the topic of the conference, which saved me around a week's worth of additional work. I'll save it for the next one.

It still needs some polishing up but at least I made the initial deadline, which is tomorrow.

Turds usually do need polishing.

Hard to do, and they're still turds afterward, though.

Glen Davidson

Stop projecting. Just because after over 150 years of polishing the turd you have been helping to buff it still looks like crap does not mean that all scientific theories are full of shit.

And by the way the title of the paper is "Cognitive Origin of the Scientific Method" not "Theory of Intelligent Design". But the way it reads will make many readers wonder whether it is or not.

Edit for grammar:

Stop projecting. Just because after over 150 years of polishing the turd you have been helping to buff still looks like crap does not mean that all scientific theories are full of shit.

I love edited insults.

Oh, the sting, it burns, it burns.

Crank it out, like your "science."  

Glen Davidson

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GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: May 15 2016,23:50   

Ironically I'm the only one here that has any science worth sharing. The rest is, well, you know what.

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ChemiCat



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(Permalink) Posted: May 16 2016,02:08   

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Ironically I'm the only one here that has any science worth sharing. The rest is, well, you know what.


No, Gaulin baby, that's backwards. We have the science and you are full of the 'you know what.

  
ChemiCat



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(Permalink) Posted: May 16 2016,02:17   

From Gaulin's circle-jerk subreddit;

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Why we are private
Unfortunately our experiments with r/creation being an open sub didn't go very well.  We become overwhelmingly outnumbered and It became a place for people to bash creationism (which there are already plenty on reddit) and most of the creationists left in frustration. We need a place for ourselves where creationists are the primary voices.  Everybody needs a "home base" where they can be themselves :P  But for balance, we still allow some dissenting voices among our ranks and regularly link to discussions about creation and ID on other subs to invite our members to participate there.

Someday if our numbers become large enough we may go public again.

Levels of Access
We currently grant two levels of access:

Full access:  If you meet the rather minimal criteria of being an ID proponent as described by Granville Sewall, or are even open-minded to the idea that ID might be true, you can have full and permanent access. It doesn't matter whether you ascribe to a particular religion or none at all.
Read only access: You can view all posts and comments, but are not allowed to make posts or comments of your own.  However if you ever feel the need for more, message us moderators and we will schedule for you to create one thread with a specific question or point for debate.  You will be allowed to comment within that thread as much as you want.
Message the moderators to request access, and let us know which level you are requesting.


The name that stands out is Granville " I don't know how Thermodynamics work" Sewall! The moron amongst morons. Gaulin should fit right in there.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 16 2016,08:32   

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Someday if our numbers become large enough we may go public again.

:(

Don't you just wanna hug them?

  
N.Wells



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(Permalink) Posted: May 16 2016,09:27   

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And if anyone from this forum gets in to disrupt the constructive discussion now happening in the Reddit forum I will personally ask JoeCoder to delete your insults and ban you for good.

Consider this your first warning. According to their rules this is all that should be needed for trouble makers from this forum to be made immediately gone.

Here's my predictions.  Most people there are not going to understand what you are talking about, because your writing is atrocious and because you abuse standard terminology without providing clear new definitions.

To the extent that any of the creationists understand what you are talking about, none of them are going to like what you are saying.  Part of this will be because of the ways you (mis)use both "intelligent" and "design".

Some of them may even recognize that what you are doing is, at best truly awful science, if that.

If they bother to study your program, which is unlikely, they won't agree that your model supports your assertions.

Let us know how this works out.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 16 2016,09:37   

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Someday if our numbers become large enough we may go public again.

:(

Don't you just wanna hug them?

We should chip in and get them the nice self-hugging jackets used in some settings.  You know, the ones with the extra-long sleeves that wrap around and buckle in the back.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 16 2016,09:56   

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Someday if our numbers become large enough we may go public again.


Paraphrase of "Someday, if we begin to have the slightest bit of evidence that can't be readily refuted by those annoying fact-wielding critics, we may go public public again."

Until then, they'll just have to protect their ideas from the grave threats of discussion and evidence.  Gary certainly fits in with that stance.

Glen Davidson

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(Permalink) Posted: May 16 2016,11:09   

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Oh, c'mon -- he just barely metabolizes better than he writes.
Good thing it's autonomic.

Maybe Gary is really Sokal's latest project:  pump out gibberish and see who falls for it.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 16 2016,11:19   

Quote (fnxtr @ May 16 2016,12:09)
Quote (NoName @ May 15 2016,16:11)
Oh, c'mon -- he just barely metabolizes better than he writes.
Good thing it's autonomic.

Maybe Gary is really Sokal's latest project:  pump out gibberish and see who falls for it.

If there's artificial intelligence, there must be artificial stupidity.
Et voilà, there's Gary in all his gibbering confusion.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 16 2016,11:41   

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But the way it reads will make many readers wonder whether it is or not.

TL:DR version of the last 559 pages.  Gary in a nutshell.

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(Permalink) Posted: May 16 2016,12:03   

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they'll just have to protect their ideas from the grave threats of discussion and evidence.
 Heaven forbid!  If those happened, it might get mistaken for science.

Gary, what was the biochemistry forum, please?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 16 2016,12:40   

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And, just for the record, you're pretty damn dizzy as it is.


Enough to cue up some Tommy Roe.

Ewwww, sorry 'bout that, folks . . . .

Well, Goo Goo, you ARE pretty dizzy.  Have fun in your new home-forum, maybe your turd can stand out on it's own from the other turds over there . . . .  :)  :)  :)

Whatta hoot!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 16 2016,16:54   

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And, just for the record, you're pretty damn dizzy as it is.


Enough to cue up some Tommy Roe.

Ewwww, sorry 'bout that, folks . . . .

Well, Goo Goo, you ARE pretty dizzy.  Have fun in your new home-forum, maybe your turd can stand out on it's own from the other turds over there . . . .  :)  :)  :)

Whatta hoot!

Another long day at work followed by another verbal beating is only enough to cue up some Lady Gaga:  

Til It Happens To You
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmWBrN7QV6Y

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(Permalink) Posted: May 17 2016,10:09   

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I already have a paper that's good enough to go!

You've given the paper to a sentient being for proofreading, right?

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(Permalink) Posted: May 17 2016,10:40   

Quote (Jim_Wynne @ May 17 2016,10:09)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ May 15 2016,21:26)
I already have a paper that's good enough to go!

You've given the paper to a sentient being for proofreading, right?

Thank goodness you didn't say "intelligent", otherwise he might have given it to the vacuum cleaner.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: May 17 2016,11:37   

Quote (N.Wells @ May 17 2016,08:40)
Quote (Jim_Wynne @ May 17 2016,10:09)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ May 15 2016,21:26)
I already have a paper that's good enough to go!

You've given the paper to a sentient being for proofreading, right?

Thank goodness you didn't say "intelligent", otherwise he might have given it to the vacuum cleaner.

Why go to all that trouble?  Just put it in front of some molecules.

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