Jkrebs
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Joined: Sep. 2004
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I think the comment is still there.
here
So is this one, for the time being at least (posted after I wrote "As I recall, Lewontin did not help write the Kansas Science Standards")
| Quote | kf, more seriously your extremely inflammatory, hyperbolic rhetoric fails to separate metaphysical beliefs held by people not associated with the Kansas science standards with actual statements written by the authors of those standards, the majority of which, I know, did not hold those same metaphysical beliefs.
Therefore, you are calling those authors deceptive liars.
A few sample statements from above:
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As it is practiced in the late 20th and early 21st century, science is restricted to explaining only the natural world, using only natural cause. This is because science currently has no tools to test explanations using non-natural (such as supernatural) causes.
It is important to note that science cannot answer all questions. Some questions are simply beyond the parameters of science...
[The student]understands there are many issues which involve morals, ethics, values or spiritual beliefs that go beyond what science can explain, but for which solid scientific literacy is useful. |
These are honest, clear statements from the authors of the standards.
Your refusal to accept their word - to effectively say you think they are lying about their true beliefs - is unconscionable, and displays how you are at the mercy of your ideological blinders to the detriment of other commendable human qualities that I would hope people would have.
You can legitimately disagree about how you think science ought to be defined, and you can legitimately disagree about the truth of metaphysical naturalism (materialism, scientism, atheism, etc.), but you can not legitimately maintain that the Kansas Science standards definition of science was met to proclaim or endorse metaphysical naturalism, because the authors of those standards clearly stated that many important issues lie outside of science's scope.
I absolutely know you won't change one iota of your perspective, and if this subject ever comes up again, you will repeat the same lies.
One of my many favorite Dylan lines, from "Trouble in Mind": the inevitable price of an extreme commitment to a dogmatic ideology.
| Quote | The truth is far from you, so you know you got to lie
Then you're all the time defending what you can never justify |
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Edited by stevestory on Jan. 26 2018,14:28
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