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Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 30 2008,22:20    Quote Like after the DI fails miserably once, can they be kept from ever having anything to do with the state's politics again?   My guess: only if they can be held legally responsible for the money they cost people. Trouble is, that may require that legal action against them be taken by the people they took in the first place - and those are most likely the people who most want them to succeed. Henry

creeky belly Posts: 205 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 02 2008,20:31    Inaction, FTW! http://www.nwfdailynews.com/article/14149   Quote Hotly debated evolution bills that critics said would inject religious doctrine into public schools in the guise of science also died a quiet death Friday on the final day of the legislative session. .... Meanwhile, House and Senate supporters, mostly Republicans, were unable to resolve their dispute over two versions of the evolution legislation before the close of the session. The Senate favored a bill (SB 2692) that would have prohibited school officials from punishing teachers who used "scientific information'' to challenge evolution. A House bill (HB 1483) would have gone farther, not just allowing such challenges but requiring that schools teach "critical analysis'' of evolution. The Senate version was based on model legislation advocated by the Discovery Institute, a Seattle think tank that supports research on intelligent design. That theory holds that some features of the universe and living things can be explained by an "intelligent cause.'' Some intelligent design advocates claim it's scientific in nature but a federal judge in Pennsylvania ruled that it is a religious concept. The Discovery Institute says no state has yet adopted its legislation but five have included critical analysis requirements in their school science standards.

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4991 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: May 03 2008,00:28    It's been a long haul, and things are definitely not over, but at least we managed to dodge the bullet in Florida this time. I'm glad I was able to have a hand in giving the DI its latest defeat, but the exact way things went could easily have gone in their favor. That was altogether too close for comfort. -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

Advocatus Diaboli Posts: 198 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 03 2008,02:25    In the aftermath John West gets all patriotic: More importantly, we still live in America, and although Darwinists are doing their best to shut down and intimidate anyone who raises questions about Neo-Darwinism, we still have free speech, and they can't prevent people from hearing about the debate in the public arena, no matter how hard they try. Can you hear the Star-Spangled Banner? Can you see that flag flowing behind West? -------------- I once thought that I made a mistake, but I was wrong. "I freely admit I’m a sociopath" - DaveScot "Most importanly, the facts are on the side of ID." - scordova "UD is the greatest website of all time." stevestory

khan Posts: 1554 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 03 2008,18:35    -------------- "It's as if all those words, in their hurry to escape from the loony, have fallen over each other, forming scrambled heaps of meaninglessness." -damitall That's so fucking stupid it merits a wing in the museum of stupid. -midwifetoad Frequency is just the plural of wavelength... -JoeG

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 05 2008,17:46    Exactly what's wrong with Florida?  Is there some weird drug in the water or something? PZ calls Poe's Law on the whole state. Quoted in his post:   Quote    Substitute teacher Jim Piculas does a 30-second magic trick where a toothpick disappears then reappears.    But after performing it in front of a classroom at Rushe Middle School in Land 'O Lakes, Piculas said his job did a disappearing act of its own.    "I get a call the middle of the day from head of supervisor of substitute teachers.? He says, 'Jim, we have a huge issue, you can't take any more assignments you need to come in right away,'" he said.    When Piculas went in,?he learned his little magic trick cast a spell and went much farther than he'd hoped.    "I said, 'Well Pat, can you explain this to me?'? 'You've been accused of wizardry,' [he said]. Wizardry?" he asked. (emphasis and well deserved comic sans by me) That's right.  Expelled for 'wizardry'.  It's no damned wonder they have such issues with science.  The seventeenth century has yet to reach Florida. Edited by Lou FCD on May 05 2008,18:52 -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

Albatrossity2 Posts: 2780 Joined: Mar. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2008,08:44    There is a long, but interesting (and infuriating, in some respects) article in today's NY Times about teaching evolution in Florida high schools. -------------- Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind Has been obligated from the beginning To create an ordered universe As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.                         - Pattiann Rogers

SoonerintheBluegrass Posts: 39 Joined: May 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 26 2008,16:14    A friend e-mailed me that article, and while it is infuriating, I would buy David Campbell several rounds of his drink of choice on principle alone.  And the last line of the article actually gave me cause for hope. Well worth a read, to those who haven't. -------------- "And heaven will smell like the airport But I may not get there to prove it So let's not waste our time thinking how that ain't fair." Neko Case

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 26 2008,16:36    Quote (SoonerintheBluegrass @ Aug. 26 2008,14:14) A friend e-mailed me that article, and while it is infuriating, I would buy David Campbell several rounds of his drink of choice on principle alone.  And the last line of the article actually gave me cause for hope. Well worth a read, to those who haven't. What you said, SITB.  Buy him one for me. Quote In a stormy public comment session, Mr. Campbell defended his fellow writers [of the revised state science standards - JW] against complaints that they had not included alternative explanations for life’s diversity, like intelligent design. His attempt at humor came with an edge: “We also failed to include astrology, alchemy and the concept of the moon being made of green cheese,” he said. “Because those aren’t science, either.” -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 26 2008,17:08    Actually, I might be over in Jacksonville again in the next few weeks. If so I'll look him up and buy him a beer.

Assassinator Posts: 479 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 26 2008,17:42    Quote (SoonerintheBluegrass @ Aug. 26 2008,16:14) A friend e-mailed me that article, and while it is infuriating, I would buy David Campbell several rounds of his drink of choice on principle alone.  And the last line of the article actually gave me cause for hope. Well worth a read, to those who haven't. A good read indeed, and don't forget about the video in that link. When you see that teacher read those student thoughts...wow. But, I like to add something to what the Florida Department of Education sad: not just teach evolution, but properly teach evolution. I had evolution education in high-school, but it really came short and I noticed a lot of over-simplification wich can easely (and it did) lead to missconceptions about evolution.

SoonerintheBluegrass Posts: 39 Joined: May 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 27 2008,12:55    I remember my 10th grade bio teacher practically spitting the word evolution out any time he had to say it.  And also him saying that not everyone believes in it-- with a definite bit of seeming disdain for those who did-- and watch this here film to get an idea. The film was some creo bullshit, of course.  Funny, it was short on actual science.  Shocking, I  know.  Even in Broken Arrow, Oklahoma (home of the famous Rhema Bible school-- barf) in 1986-- when I was still a Christian, at least by default-- I noticed the creo-stuff was seriously lacking in anything resembling a rigorous approach to the subject matter.   With the actual biology we were taught, there were always difficult processes to explain/comprehend, and y'know, actual data and stuff.  With the film, it was just warm and fuzzy BS-- "Life is speshul and stuff, and the creator has a plan, etc., etc." -------------- "And heaven will smell like the airport But I may not get there to prove it So let's not waste our time thinking how that ain't fair." Neko Case

Assassinator Posts: 479 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 27 2008,14:41    Even though I live in the middle of the Dutch Bible Belt, it was far from that bad here. Although my evolution education failed, I could see that my teacher knew a lot more about the subject but didn't have the time to explain it more thoroughly. When I asked if I could do my final school project (some large project you have to do here if you want to get your high-school diploma) about the history of intelligent design or evolution vs ID, she snickered and told me that if I wanted to do my project about biology I did have to do actual science I ended up doing it about the late-Republican Roman Army.

SoonerintheBluegrass Posts: 39 Joined: May 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 28 2008,01:37    Well, I was a history major in college, so I would have loved to do that project, or any project really, on Rome.   But knowing what I know now, I'd love to have done my Senior English paper (HS) on why ID is not science.  Soooo many resources, what with the interwebs and all.  We didn't have that back in those days, and instead I chose something horrifically stupid and embarrassing piece of fluff to do my paper on.  I've got a cousin who's getting ready to graduate from my tiny high school Alma Mater up here in semi-God crazy Eastern KY, and I'd love to try and persuade him to do his Sr. English paper on that.   PS For a look at what life and school, etc. is like in my neck of the woods-- or one county over, anyway (I'm from Johnson county, the two kids on the show are from Floyd)-- check out the three part series from Frontline called "Country Boys."  I live in Lexington, now, but come back here often. -------------- "And heaven will smell like the airport But I may not get there to prove it So let's not waste our time thinking how that ain't fair." Neko Case

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