OgreMkV
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Quote (Glen Davidson @ May 01 2014,13:00) | Quote (tsig @ May 01 2014,11:33) | Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ April 29 2014,02:32) | Quote (CeilingCat @ April 27 2014,15:23) | Paul Giem writes: Quote | I have seen some claim, with some plausibility, that LINE elements may have something to do with original sin. |
Mr. Giem is the author of Scientific Theology. |
Giem is an M.D., perhaps most famous for opining that Barbara Forrest could use some Haldol or something while complaining about incivility on the part of pro-science advocates. |
Nothing like assuming what you're going to prove:
The fact is that the existence of science argues strongly for an [33] ordering principle in the universe, which we may call God,and which we may at least partly comprehend. To argue otherwise is, quite frankly, absurd, and those who do so do not believe their own rhetoric. You dont catch them fasting for prolonged periods in the belief that this time nature will not require food as usual, or chaining themselves to the ground in case they should no longer be attracted to the earth. I find the case against the existence of God very weak indeed. The first thing we can learn from nature is that the universe is orderly, and requires an ordering principle. |
I guess that explains why creationists rarely expect miracles, because clearly an ordering principle means no exceptions.
Or wait, maybe it doesn't?
No, I figured it out, if "laws of nature" hold, it's evidence for God, and if "laws of nature" do not hold and a miracle occurs, it's evidence for God. Because only God can flout God's laws. So, um, why aren't creationists chaining themselves to the ground, since they realize that God can flippantly ignore his own laws (like ordering genocides, nice stuff like that)?
Oh those evilutionists, always illogical.
Say, biology appears to be ordered as well. Evolutionary, hereditary order, but order nonetheless. So Jesus. Ha ha. You thought that order would need to be design order? No, order is due to God. Short step to theistic evolution (in case baby Jesus thinks the cosmos should actually make sense, rather than sending people to hell for thinking from cause to effect), but don't go there.
Glen Davidson |
The ultimate front-loading.
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