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NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: June 19 2015,19:31   

It's so funny how he thinks the threat of being ignored, by him, should be cause for concern.  It's pretty clear that the only one who is here for the attention is Gary.  
Another case of projection, done with his usual grace and panache.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2015,02:05   

I'll play.

How does your "theory" explain single cell colonies that do not have a neural network?

(remember, you claimed to be working on "...... all levels of biology).

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2015,02:45   

Sorry for being so angry but I am attempting to use whatever free time I have to get the behind schedule new software ready to go! I have to work this weekend and seriously don't need slowing down.

By focusing on the science work instead I was able to make good progress and now need to note that in this thread where I keep all of my notes as I go. In this case I ended up needing to compare the behavior of all possible ways to time the Attract and Avoid/Repel places to find the one that provides the most useful information. In a neural biological circuit that would be the cell timing that is most rewarded with confidence for making the most others fire and wire together in step with that response. It's then a challenge to find out what most excites the whole network that in turn gets a confidence reward by the navigational signals to get it where it wants to go, which is pointed out using direction vectors that lead to where it is attracted to.

The most information filled signal (whenever there is something to avoid it must consider) will alternate between two "frames" each with unique vectors on each full cycle. One half of the cycle expresses the invisible room frame avoids that rotate at an angle relative to the cue card, point away from that place regardless of food being inside or not. On the next half cycle is an arena frame that most expresses the path to the food it is attracted to. When inside a repel location nearby vectors point towards the perimeter then back again without going inside the place. With nothing to beware of moving around the network the vectors are the same for each half wave. The two frame behavior is only there when needed. Does not have to be turned on and off by another circuit. It appears on its own from the wave action of the network causing it to happen. Eliminating all the code that it would seem to take to make that happen as described in the rat arena paper is (for at least the coding of such a thing) a major breakthrough.

When the two frame system works the vectors normally (no avoids around food for it to consider) all point towards the center of the place being attracted to. This made it possible to eliminate a math nightmare from the attract location being one half cycle out of phase with surroundings. The need for it was an indicator that I needed to experiment some more with the different network behaviors possible, and now that I know why I needed it I need to finish simplifying that part of the code down to almost nothing. In this case I needed to know what happens with the different timing, so it was not wasted time experimenting with it that way. That ended up helping to explain what was needed to make it work much better, with just a slight change in one or a few memory actions not rewiring of the network.

In regards to science politics I think I said enough about why this model covers all in biology and intelligent cause too. It is what it is, and I have some very serious code to finish!

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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2015,02:48   

Quote (ChemiCat @ June 20 2015,02:05)
I'll play.

How does your "theory" explain single cell colonies that do not have a neural network?

(remember, you claimed to be working on "...... all levels of biology).

You at least had good timing. See above..

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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2015,06:30   

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In a neural biological circuit that would be the cell timing that is most rewarded with confidence for making the most others fire and wire together in step with that response. It's then a challenge to find out what most excites the whole network that in turn gets a confidence reward by the navigational signals to get it where it wants to go, which is pointed out using direction vectors that lead to where it is attracted to.


So no answer then. I thought you said that you would welcome questions based on your "Not-a-theory".

If this random assembly of words (did you pick them from a hat?) is supposed to be an answer then this shows that you have no understanding of science or English.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2015,06:44   

Quote (ChemiCat @ June 20 2015,07:30)
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In a neural biological circuit that would be the cell timing that is most rewarded with confidence for making the most others fire and wire together in step with that response. It's then a challenge to find out what most excites the whole network that in turn gets a confidence reward by the navigational signals to get it where it wants to go, which is pointed out using direction vectors that lead to where it is attracted to.


So no answer then. I thought you said that you would welcome questions based on your "Not-a-theory".

If this random assembly of words (did you pick them from a hat?) is supposed to be an answer then this shows that you have no understanding of science or English.

8+ years of evidence on the Internet suggests that this is an accurate assessment.
The same could be said of 'self-awareness' -- he remains blissfully untainted by any shred of such a thing.

One must note, however, that he has pretty much run out of new lies.  The best he can come up with by way of a 'new' lie is to stumble across some new bright shiny thing apparently connected to science and misappropriate it.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2015,10:38   

Gary, I have a relevant question.

Why are you trying to sell your neural systems model as a theory of intelligent design?

Thanks.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2015,10:45   

Ha.  He can't even give it away.
roflmao

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2015,14:47   

Speaking of relevant questions you keep running away from, how about these, Gary?

Quote (N.Wells @ Dec. 31 2014,09:31)
You've got a whole lot of transparent and ineffective distraction going on, Gary.
As NoName said earlier,
   
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Stop deflecting, distracting, and denying.  Man up and deal with the facts on the ground:

A phenomenon is not properly called 'emergent' when it arises from a set of phenomena to which it is properly called 'self-similar'.  And vice versa.
Not all acts of 'intelligence' are motor acts, yet your "theory" insists otherwise.  This flies in the face of your assertion that your, or any competing, "theory" must "explain how ANY intelligence system works."
Deal with the fact that you smuggle 'intelligence' into your module with the undefined and uncharacterized 'guess' function.
Deal with the fact that 'guess' does not equal 'plan'.  Your "theory" is useless as a 'theory of intelligence' if it cannot deal with plans and planning.
Deal with the fact that many acts of intelligence involve imagination, and your "theory" does not deal with imagination at all.
Deal with the fact that some of the most crucial constraints on life are thermodynamic and that your "theory" simply ignores any and all thermodynamic issues.
Etc.

   
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What is the ‘something’ that must be controlled when an intelligence creates a theory?  a musical composition?  a plan?  a story plot line?
Note that none of these require muscle activity of any sort.

What are the senses that address what memory/memories when an intelligence creates a theory?  a musical composition?  a plan?  a story plot line?
Note that each of these has been performed by individuals who lack the 'obvious' sensory modalities one would expect for the product.
Sub-question — what does it mean for memory to be sensory-addressed?  The naive view that has the senses directly writing to memory or directly “indicating” what memory to use and what to store there has been debunked many many years ago.  So what are you talking about here?

What is the measure of confidence to gauge failure and success when an intelligence creates a theory?  a musical composition?  a plan?  a story plot line?
Sub-question — what senses address what memory/memories in the creation, storage, and retrieval of the ‘confidence’ factor?  Is it analog or digital?  What process(es) modify it, at what points, and what difference does it make?

What is the ‘ABILITY TO TAKE A GUESS’?  How is it manifested and how is it utilized when  an intelligence creates a theory?  a musical composition?  a plan?  a story plot line?

What is a guess?  How does ‘guess’ relate to ‘plan’ and to ‘imagination?  Are there factors that feed into/influence the guess?  Is a guess random?  If not, what regularity does it exhibit?  Is it algorithmic?  What algorithm?  Or how is the specific algorithm used chosen?
What justifies embedding ‘guess’ into the “flow” that defines “intelligence” when the ability to guess is generally taken to be an act of intelligence?  How is it we only find guessing happening when we find ‘molecular intelligence’ in your sense, i.e., biology?
(You do realize that a random number generator in a computer program does not ‘guess’?)


And questions from me:
   
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Why is your rubbish not made obsolete by Edgar Postrado's rubbish?

   
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It is also unreasonable to expect out of place detail that would limit the theory to only one level of intelligence (brains) of a model that has to work for any behavior, intelligent or not.


Since you see intelligence darn near everywhere at all levels, in your opinion what behavior would qualify as not intelligent, and why?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2015,19:10   

Quote (Woodbine @ June 20 2015,10:38)
Gary, I have a relevant question.

Why are you trying to sell your neural systems model as a theory of intelligent design?

Thanks.

After explaining how one intelligence level causes another I end up with something that looks like it's being slipped in "under radar" and that's cased by (where religion is completely removed from discussion) being what it scientifically is.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2015,19:13   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ June 20 2015,20:10)
Quote (Woodbine @ June 20 2015,10:38)
Gary, I have a relevant question.

Why are you trying to sell your neural systems model as a theory of intelligent design?

Thanks.

After explaining how one intelligence level causes another I end up with something that looks like it's being slipped in "under radar" and that's cased by (where religion is completely removed from discussion) being what it scientifically is.

You can't even see sanity in the rear-view mirror any longer can you?
And yet you continue to accelerate.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2015,20:14   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ June 20 2015,19:10)
After explaining how one intelligence level causes another I end up with something that looks like it's being slipped in "under radar" and that's cased by (where religion is completely removed from discussion) being what it scientifically is.

No, you haven't demonstrated your supposed multiple intelligence levels, and you haven't explained how one supposed level causes another. However, let's set that aside for a moment.  

I assume by "cased" you mean "caused"?  Even with that substitution, I still can't figure out what you are trying to say in "that's ca[u?]sed by (where religion is completely removed from discussion) being what it scientifically is."

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2015,20:51   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ June 21 2015,01:10)
After explaining how one intelligence level causes another....

Gary, I have downloaded your 'theory' from your website but I cannot find the part where you explain 'how one intelligence level causes another'.

Can you please point to the relevant section/s? It won't take you a moment.

Thanks.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2015,21:01   

Quote (Woodbine @ June 20 2015,20:51)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ June 21 2015,01:10)
After explaining how one intelligence level causes another....

Gary, I have downloaded your 'theory' from your website but I cannot find the part where you explain 'how one intelligence level causes another'.

Can you please point to the relevant section/s? It won't take you a moment.

Thanks.

Gary has also claimed that his "theory" explains the origin of intelligence.  Thus far he hasn't been able to tell us what it is.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2015,01:38   

Earlier this evening I was feeling like the vector math might take all next week to get just right. But I now have a fast and simple function that works well everywhere in the network. It did so well it's a new performance benchmark. Worries that it was going to get more complex than I planned are over!

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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2015,03:36   

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After explaining how one intelligence level causes another......


We have yet to see anywhere in your "Not-a-theory" where you have presented any evidence for this assertion. There is certainly nothing in there to explain your assertion of "molecular intelligence", "cellular intelligence" or your further assertion that they are linked. To paraphrase a famous advert in the USA, "Show us the evidence".

You are grasping at straws that only exist in your own mind.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2015,06:03   

Hi, Gary.

In your excitement you seem to have accidentally ignored my relevant question.

Can you please direct me to the section/s of your theory where you explain 'how one intelligence level causes another'.

Many thanks.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2015,09:29   

Quote (Jim_Wynne @ June 21 2015,05:01)
Quote (Woodbine @ June 20 2015,20:51)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ June 21 2015,01:10)
After explaining how one intelligence level causes another....

Gary, I have downloaded your 'theory' from your website but I cannot find the part where you explain 'how one intelligence level causes another'.

Can you please point to the relevant section/s? It won't take you a moment.

Thanks.

Gary has also claimed that his "theory" explains the origin of intelligence.  Thus far he hasn't been able to tell us what it is.

ha, don't forget the Cambrian explosion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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(Permalink) Posted: June 21 2015,09:34   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ June 21 2015,09:38)
Earlier this evening I was feeling like the vector math might take all next week to get just right. But I now have a fast and simple function that works well everywhere in the network. It did so well it's a new performance benchmark. Worries that it was going to get more complex than I planned are over!

Gary you wouldn't know a vector if one bit you on the ass. And as for neurons Wes has already shown your code doesn't model them.

Why are you wasting so much time when everyone else is getting richer and you are getting poorer? Your delusion is stopping you from hanging signs on the weekend.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 22 2015,06:42   

Quote (Woodbine @ June 21 2015,06:03)
Hi, Gary.

In your excitement you seem to have accidentally ignored my relevant question.

Can you please direct me to the section/s of your theory where you explain 'how one intelligence level causes another'.

Many thanks.

If an entire model and theory are not good enough for you then you are not looking for a scientific model and testable theory, you're another scam artist.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 22 2015,07:05   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ June 22 2015,07:42)
Quote (Woodbine @ June 21 2015,06:03)
Hi, Gary.

In your excitement you seem to have accidentally ignored my relevant question.

Can you please direct me to the section/s of your theory where you explain 'how one intelligence level causes another'.

Many thanks.

If an entire model and theory are not good enough for you then you are not looking for a scientific model and testable theory, you're another scam artist.

We need to add 'scam artist' to the list of English words and phrases Gary gets wrong.

Gary, please explain how the rejection of fraudulent swill being relentlessly peddled by an unqualified and ignorant wannabe can be a scam.  Who profits?  Who profits if the fraudulent swill is not rejected on its demonstrable lack of merits?
Who the scammer is in this case is quite clear.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 22 2015,08:58   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ June 22 2015,06:42)
Quote (Woodbine @ June 21 2015,06:03)
Hi, Gary.

In your excitement you seem to have accidentally ignored my relevant question.

Can you please direct me to the section/s of your theory where you explain 'how one intelligence level causes another'.

Many thanks.

If an entire model and theory are not good enough for you then you are not looking for a scientific model and testable theory, you're another scam artist.

So you can't explain the basic tenets of your "theory."  You just assert that one intelligence level causes another and that's supposed to be enough.  Your program explains nothing; it's just a self-fulfilling prophecy.  No mechanisms, no glory.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 22 2015,08:59   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ June 22 2015,14:42)
Quote (Woodbine @ June 21 2015,06:03)
Hi, Gary.

In your excitement you seem to have accidentally ignored my relevant question.

Can you please direct me to the section/s of your theory where you explain 'how one intelligence level causes another'.

Many thanks.

If an entire model and theory are not good enough for you then you are not looking for a scientific model and testable theory, you're another scam artist.

What test would falsify your scam Gary?

...let try "True or False Is Gary Gaulin a Scientist?"

Answer:False

Satisfied scam boy?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 22 2015,09:18   

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Quote (GaryGaulin @ June 22 2015,07:42)
Quote (Woodbine @ June 21 2015,06:03)
Hi, Gary.

In your excitement you seem to have accidentally ignored my relevant question.

Can you please direct me to the section/s of your theory where you explain 'how one intelligence level causes another'.

Many thanks.

If an entire model and theory are not good enough for you then you are not looking for a scientific model and testable theory, you're another scam artist.

We need to add 'scam artist' to the list of English words and phrases Gary gets wrong.

Gary, please explain how the rejection of fraudulent swill being relentlessly peddled by an unqualified and ignorant wannabe can be a scam.  Who profits?  Who profits if the fraudulent swill is not rejected on its demonstrable lack of merits?
Who the scammer is in this case is quite clear.

Would-be scammer, anyway.

He seems to fail even at that.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 22 2015,13:11   

'Twas quoted above:  
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How much more intelligent would he be if he had, oh, say, Tom Brady's body?


Before or after deflategate?  :)  :)  :)  

IOW, how intelligent is a football?

Bwhahhahahahahahahahhaa.  Goo Goo and science, whatta hoot!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 22 2015,14:00   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ June 22 2015,12:42)
 
Quote (Woodbine @ June 21 2015,06:03)
Hi, Gary.

In your excitement you seem to have accidentally ignored my relevant question.

Can you please direct me to the section/s of your theory where you explain 'how one intelligence level causes another'.

Many thanks.

If an entire model and theory are not good enough for you then you are not looking for a scientific model and testable theory, you're another scam artist.

Hi Gary, it seems you have mis-read my request.

I will repeat...

 
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Can you please direct me to the section/s of your theory where you explain 'how one intelligence level causes another'.


So can you actually point to the relevant section/s or not? A real-scientist would be only to happy to back up their claims.

If you cannot just say so.

Many thanks.

Edited by Woodbine on June 22 2015,20:01

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 22 2015,16:25   

From Sandwalk:
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Donald - Sunday, June 21, 2015 10:07:00 PM

Darn it, I thought I posted this, but I don't see it. Anyway, I think Behe's 2002 definition of IC is talking about the limits of genetic drift--he would probably argue that a few unselected steps in a system could be explained by drift, but if there were more than X unselected steps, where the population geneticists would have to calculate the limiting value X, that means that some unknown force was responsible because it would be too improbable for more than X steps to have occurred accidentally. If you could calculate the value of X and if you could find a example of some system that had more than X necessary but unselected steps, you could claim that the known mechanisms couldn't produce the hypothetical system. You'd still have a big step to take before you could claim an intelligence had done it, but at least the ID people would have made a genuine contribution if they could do this much.

In other words, it is the usual creationist probability argument.


Gary Gaulin - Sunday, June 21, 2015 11:25:00 PM
Wow Donald, that was good. You have the right idea.

The only thing ID needs to win is for genetic systems to turn out to be a cognitive (intelligent) system. There is then an "intelligent cause" that makes the otherwise impossible happen, like the ID movement has right along been claiming is necessary.

Although I do not use them it's possible for me to agree with the science related point of the probability related concepts that others like to work on. Scientifically explaining the "intelligent cause" waiting to be discovered sets a whole lot of things right in a way that the ID movement wins, with faith-friendly cognitive theory that makes sense of what can otherwise make no sense at all.

http://sandwalk.blogspot.com/2015.......1094645

The primary scientific issue has already been settled. I cannot allow vital scientific work to be stopped by those who rather I forever chase my tail while they just act stupid and throw insults.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 22 2015,16:32   

"I cannot allow vital scientific work to be stopped"

Then fuck off and do some.

Come back when you've got 10 good reviews in PSC.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 22 2015,16:42   

Hi, Gary.

I understand you are doing vital work but a few posts ago you said this....

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After explaining how one intelligence level causes another....


Can you please point to the relevant section of your theory that explains how one intelligence level causes another.

I have the PDF right here, it shouldn't take a moment.

Many thanks.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 22 2015,16:54   

Quote (Richardthughes @ June 22 2015,16:32)
"I cannot allow vital scientific work to be stopped"

Then fuck off and do some.

Come back when you've got 10 good reviews in PSC.

Now needing a biased authority to settle your scientific issues for you using media campaigns is showing how scientifically dysfunctional you and others have become.

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