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dazz



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2015,18:12   

Quote (NoName @ Oct. 15 2015,01:02)
He has no honor.
He will not do the right thing.
His sin is upon him and he glories in it.
He has no honor.

The only reason why he would persist is...

Pride

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Pride (Latin, superbia), or hubris (Greek), is considered, on almost every list, the original and most serious of the seven deadly sins: the source of the others. It is identified as believing that one is essentially better than others, failing to acknowledge the accomplishments of others, and excessive admiration of the personal self


That's a capital sin. His eternal life is at stake here. He better be careful

  
NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2015,18:17   

Yup.
That would be Edgar.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2015,18:19   

I'm still waiting to get a link to the video showing a debate with some scientist from some prominent science organization.

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N.Wells



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2015,18:27   

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seven deadly sins: the source of the others.

Oooh, multiple solutions to the problem of how to misbehave.  Must be intellen!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2015,18:45   

Quote (N.Wells @ Oct. 14 2015,18:27)
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seven deadly sins: the source of the others.

Oooh, multiple solutions to the problem of how to misbehave.  Must be intellen!

If you commit the seven deadly sins with the seven dwarves, is that forty nine deadly sins?

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dazz



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2015,18:57   

Quote (Texas Teach @ Oct. 15 2015,01:45)
Quote (N.Wells @ Oct. 14 2015,18:27)
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seven deadly sins: the source of the others.

Oooh, multiple solutions to the problem of how to misbehave.  Must be intellen!

If you commit the seven deadly sins with the seven dwarves, is that forty nine deadly sins?

Do you seriously expect Edgar to figure out the math involved there?

I'm afraid we'll never know

  
N.Wells



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2015,19:25   

Quote (dazz @ Oct. 14 2015,18:57)
Quote (Texas Teach @ Oct. 15 2015,01:45)
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seven deadly sins: the source of the others.

Oooh, multiple solutions to the problem of how to misbehave.  Must be intellen!

If you commit the seven deadly sins with the seven dwarves, is that forty nine deadly sins?

Do you seriously expect Edgar to figure out the math involved there?

I'm afraid we'll never know

snow white was in the bath, feeling sleepy.  he got out, so she felt dopey.  then she got grumpy, which made her feel happy all over again.  Only 45 to go!

  
dazz



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2015,19:33   

Quote (N.Wells @ Oct. 15 2015,02:25)
Quote (dazz @ Oct. 14 2015,18:57)
Quote (Texas Teach @ Oct. 15 2015,01:45)
 
Quote (N.Wells @ Oct. 14 2015,18:27)
 
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seven deadly sins: the source of the others.

Oooh, multiple solutions to the problem of how to misbehave.  Must be intellen!

If you commit the seven deadly sins with the seven dwarves, is that forty nine deadly sins?

Do you seriously expect Edgar to figure out the math involved there?

I'm afraid we'll never know

snow white was in the bath, feeling sleepy.  he got out, so she felt dopey.  then she got grumpy, which made her feel happy all over again.  Only 45 to go!

Oh my! only 3 to go for "The Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything"

  
MrIntelligentDesign



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2015,03:47   

Quote (dazz @ Oct. 14 2015,18:57)
Quote (Texas Teach @ Oct. 15 2015,01:45)
Quote (N.Wells @ Oct. 14 2015,18:27)
 
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seven deadly sins: the source of the others.

Oooh, multiple solutions to the problem of how to misbehave.  Must be intellen!

If you commit the seven deadly sins with the seven dwarves, is that forty nine deadly sins?

Do you seriously expect Edgar to figure out the math involved there?

I'm afraid we'll never know

LOL!

  
MrIntelligentDesign



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2015,03:49   

Quote (someotherguy @ Oct. 14 2015,18:19)
I'm still waiting to get a link to the video showing a debate with some scientist from some prominent science organization.

I did not debate him with video. I said in YouTube in where those scientist had been commenting incorrectly to my comments.

So we debated, and he had gone..

  
MrIntelligentDesign



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2015,03:51   

Quote (dazz @ Oct. 14 2015,17:58)
[quote=MrIntelligentDesign,Oct. 14 2015,22:32][quote=NoName,Oct. 14 2015,08:07]
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 14 2015,08:54)
Quote (NoName @ Oct. 14 2015,07:22)
 
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 14 2015,08:07)
 
Quote (NoName @ Oct. 14 2015,07:04)

So your answer is "I have the answer somewhere else, trust me."

Oddly enough, we don't trust you.  You've shown yourself to be profoundly untrustworthy.

I don't need to know how to distinguish instinct and intelligence -- I'm not the one making claims about them.
You are the one making claims about them, therefore you are the one who has to define his terms, justify them on the evidence, defend them against criticisms, and establish the validity of the claimed distinction.

You won't because you can't.  You lack the necessary evidence, the necessary analytic skills, the necessary skills with logic and with reason.

"Hey, look over there" is not an answer, it's an admission of defeat.

I am not a salesman here, thus, don't trust me.

We don't.  Even though it is abundantly clear that you are only in it for the personal fame and fortune.  That was your answer to my question about what would change if the world adopted your notions into science.
Hardly respectable.
 
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What I want you to do is to make a replacement for intelligence which is better than mine in science since you have a nerve to say that I am wrong.

And again, that's not how it works.
We've shown your notions are wrong.  No replacement needed.
No argument need be defeated solely by a replacement solution.  It is often the case that all that is required is to show that the proposed solution fails.
In your case, even the proposed problem fails.  The proposed solution is utter nonsense.
We've shown that, and that is all that is needed to demolish your claims.
How about you provide a good solid well-defined definition of the problem?  You haven't even done that.

 
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And after that, categorize if waiting when hungry is intelligence or not.

That is it.

Write them in book so that I could buy.

The answer is short, it can be provided here.
The answer is "it depends".  How long a wait?  Why the wait?  Overweight people do not eat immediately when hungry.  Refusing to satisfy their hunger to the point where they are no longer hungry is (part of) the intelligent solution to the problem of losing weight.  As part of the problem of 'hungry'.
You keep insisting that the very complex set of issues involved in hunger and eating are simple and trivially susceptible to a single simple answer.
As I've shown, you are entirely wrong.  You lack the necessary analytic skills to even begin to approach the genuine issues.
There is always a lag between the occurrence of hunger and the act of eating.  Always.  There are always choices -- eat or don't eat, eat now or eat later, eat what? eat where?
All are involved in any adequate consideration of the 'hunger-eat' notion.
All are ignored by you in your desperate attempt to collapse and force-fit every phenomena into your pre-selected idiotic notions.
You lose.
Deal with it.

CRAZY! CRAZY! CRAZY!!

What would you do if you are hungry? Drink? or Eat? or Walk? or Fast? or Sing?

The answer is swift and simple: eat and that is naturen.

Now, that is symmetry.

Repeating the same disproved and unfounded assertions won't cut it dude. It's all futile. Experiments rule science, and your experiments failed. You know it. No point in persisting.

You asked for experiments, alternatives, refutations. All of those were given here. You have no answer to that, you just keep repeating the same disproved assertions over and over again... It amounts to stubbornly persisting that the earth is flat, "because I say it's flat!!!!", "I told you it was flat!!"

You know it, so be a man of honor and assume it. You know you promised to withdraw your books, remember God is watching from above and he doesn't like dishonest liars

Do what you have to do now

I said that you are wrong since you could no longer answer that simple empirical evidence that I've shown you.

Thus, you had no any rebuttal to me, no science from you, no argument, no replacement to intelligence and no science book!

Thus, I WON!

  
MrIntelligentDesign



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2015,03:55   

Quote (NoName @ Oct. 14 2015,07:04)
[quote=MrIntelligentDesign,Oct. 14 2015,07:35][quote=dazz,Oct. 14 2015,05:00][quote=MrIntelligentDesign,Oct. 14 2015,11:42]
Quote (N.Wells @ Oct. 13 2015,18:55)
Hello again, Edgar,
Comments, please?

   
Quote (N.Wells @ Oct. 12 2015,19:03)

That's how you debate? This response is a tacit admittance of defeat.

You have nothing to counter our arguments. You lost

DEAL WITH IT

Animals have intelligence?

LOL!

So what are their instincts?

ROFL!!

Humans are animals.  What grounds do you have for asserting otherwise?  What *evidence* supports any other conclusion?  Even if humans were the only animals to possess intelligence, that does not make them 'non-animals'.

Humans have instincts and intelligence.
Crows have instincts and intelligence.
Likewise for other animals.

That you don't like it has no bearing on what is.

As N.Wells so aptly put it -- you have nothing to counter our arguments with.  You lost.  DEAL WITH IT.

When we use the word animals, we just "generalized" that words since we did not have any universal boundary line (UBL) between intellen to nature,

But that connotation had changed. All animals are using/doing naturen to live, thus, they are animals.

Humans are using/doing intellen, thus, they are not already categorized as animals. but intelligent beings or IA.

Humans have instincts and intelligence.
Crows have instincts and NO intelligence.
Likewise for other animals - no intelligence.

That is the reason why you should differentiate if instinct and intelligence are the same or not since you are dis-agreeing with me...

Show science and not babblings..

DEAL WITH IT or Shut up!

  
dazz



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2015,03:56   

Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 15 2015,10:51)
[quote=dazz,Oct. 14 2015,17:58][quote=MrIntelligentDesign,Oct. 14 2015,22:32]
Quote (NoName @ Oct. 14 2015,08:07)
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 14 2015,08:54)
 
Quote (NoName @ Oct. 14 2015,07:22)
   
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 14 2015,08:07)
   
Quote (NoName @ Oct. 14 2015,07:04)

So your answer is "I have the answer somewhere else, trust me."

Oddly enough, we don't trust you.  You've shown yourself to be profoundly untrustworthy.

I don't need to know how to distinguish instinct and intelligence -- I'm not the one making claims about them.
You are the one making claims about them, therefore you are the one who has to define his terms, justify them on the evidence, defend them against criticisms, and establish the validity of the claimed distinction.

You won't because you can't.  You lack the necessary evidence, the necessary analytic skills, the necessary skills with logic and with reason.

"Hey, look over there" is not an answer, it's an admission of defeat.

I am not a salesman here, thus, don't trust me.

We don't.  Even though it is abundantly clear that you are only in it for the personal fame and fortune.  That was your answer to my question about what would change if the world adopted your notions into science.
Hardly respectable.
   
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What I want you to do is to make a replacement for intelligence which is better than mine in science since you have a nerve to say that I am wrong.

And again, that's not how it works.
We've shown your notions are wrong.  No replacement needed.
No argument need be defeated solely by a replacement solution.  It is often the case that all that is required is to show that the proposed solution fails.
In your case, even the proposed problem fails.  The proposed solution is utter nonsense.
We've shown that, and that is all that is needed to demolish your claims.
How about you provide a good solid well-defined definition of the problem?  You haven't even done that.

 
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And after that, categorize if waiting when hungry is intelligence or not.

That is it.

Write them in book so that I could buy.

The answer is short, it can be provided here.
The answer is "it depends".  How long a wait?  Why the wait?  Overweight people do not eat immediately when hungry.  Refusing to satisfy their hunger to the point where they are no longer hungry is (part of) the intelligent solution to the problem of losing weight.  As part of the problem of 'hungry'.
You keep insisting that the very complex set of issues involved in hunger and eating are simple and trivially susceptible to a single simple answer.
As I've shown, you are entirely wrong.  You lack the necessary analytic skills to even begin to approach the genuine issues.
There is always a lag between the occurrence of hunger and the act of eating.  Always.  There are always choices -- eat or don't eat, eat now or eat later, eat what? eat where?
All are involved in any adequate consideration of the 'hunger-eat' notion.
All are ignored by you in your desperate attempt to collapse and force-fit every phenomena into your pre-selected idiotic notions.
You lose.
Deal with it.

CRAZY! CRAZY! CRAZY!!

What would you do if you are hungry? Drink? or Eat? or Walk? or Fast? or Sing?

The answer is swift and simple: eat and that is naturen.

Now, that is symmetry.

Repeating the same disproved and unfounded assertions won't cut it dude. It's all futile. Experiments rule science, and your experiments failed. You know it. No point in persisting.

You asked for experiments, alternatives, refutations. All of those were given here. You have no answer to that, you just keep repeating the same disproved assertions over and over again... It amounts to stubbornly persisting that the earth is flat, "because I say it's flat!!!!", "I told you it was flat!!"

You know it, so be a man of honor and assume it. You know you promised to withdraw your books, remember God is watching from above and he doesn't like dishonest liars

Do what you have to do now

I said that you are wrong since you could no longer answer that simple empirical evidence that I've shown you.

Thus, you had no any rebuttal to me, no science from you, no argument, no replacement to intelligence and no science book!

Thus, I WON!

The only thing I see you winning is a Darwin award

  
MrIntelligentDesign



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2015,04:00   

Quote (NoName @ Oct. 14 2015,16:52)
Also, he hasn't been entertaining so far -- why expect that to change?
He's a tedious little git and that's unlikely to change.

I wrote my science and I shared my science not to entertain but give you either bad end or good end..

Good end if you would do science and agree with me...

Bad end if you ignore me and don't do science...

REMEMBER that I have science, the best the world has ever...

It is not a claim but a reality...read my science books and see if I'm telling a lie..

I think that you can refund to Amazon any book that is bought if you did not like them. Before, that is possible, I don't know now...

READ AND STUDY before you fight me in a debate since you will surely never win...

  
MrIntelligentDesign



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2015,04:01   

Quote (NoName @ Oct. 14 2015,07:10)
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 14 2015,05:42)
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Wow, good article...

I've read the abstract and it was a good research.

You are demonstrably not qualified to judge.
 
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But I was not impressed by the conclusion that those animals used intelligence.

So?
 
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What would you do if you see some birds build nests? They did not only use tools but they knew the mixtures of water and clay, will you still call that "intelligence"?

One would investigate, of course.  Starting with the establishment of great clarity as to just which phenomena were being investigated, what the meaning of the terms involved were, etc.  What one would not do is try to fit the phenomenon into a pre-established mishmash of undefined terms, pre-selected problems, or any of the other foolishness you get up to.
 
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My goodness...

Seems to have gone missing, if you ever had any.

What would you do if you saw some birds building nests?

Yes, that was a good research actually  but not a good science actually since that research followed ToE..

  
MrIntelligentDesign



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2015,04:04   

Quote (dazz @ Oct. 15 2015,03:56)
[quote=MrIntelligentDesign,Oct. 15 2015,10:51][quote=dazz,Oct. 14 2015,17:58]
The only thing I see you winning is a Darwin award

REMEMBER that I received two scholarships when I was in my univ student and I will NEVER waste that scholarships in science if I don't have science to show...

- that is the assurance that I knew my science, knew science, did my homework and did a research..

  
Quack



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2015,04:09   

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Thus, I WON!


Super, now just make yourself a nice painting: I WON!, hang it on the wall and sit down to admire your big accomplishment. After all, you are yourself the greatest admirer of yourself on this planet.

What more can you ask for in your life? You are a winner, you have won!

The rest of us may only bow our heads in shame and pray forgivneness for our stupidity.

Or are you engaged in a perpetual cosmic game of convincing the rest of the universe that you are a winner, you know the truth and nobody else is able or qualified to understand what great philosopher-scientist-inventor-researcher you are?

YOU ARE A WINNER, YOU HAVE WON! CONGRATULATIONS AND HOORAY HOORAY HOORAY!

Evidence: I've never used all caps before!

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MrIntelligentDesign



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2015,04:33   

Quote (Quack @ Oct. 15 2015,04:09)
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Thus, I WON!


Super, now just make yourself a nice painting: I WON!, hang it on the wall and sit down to admire your big accomplishment. After all, you are yourself the greatest admirer of yourself on this planet.

What more can you ask for in your life? You are a winner, you have won!

The rest of us may only bow our heads in shame and pray forgivneness for our stupidity.

Or are you engaged in a perpetual cosmic game of convincing the rest of the universe that you are a winner, you know the truth and nobody else is able or qualified to understand what great philosopher-scientist-inventor-researcher you are?

YOU ARE A WINNER, YOU HAVE WON! CONGRATULATIONS AND HOORAY HOORAY HOORAY!

Evidence: I've never used all caps before!

Yes, I am a winner since if you know reality and others don't, then, basically you are a winner!

I won in science since I have science to show and I knew the real intelligence. But you don't know and had no clue about intelligence.

Yes, for 2000 years of span, no one knew intelligence in science. The proof for this is that we have probably 80 definitions of intelligence now! WHY SO MANY?? No one knew intelligence...they freely defined it and freely dismissed others definition...

Thus, take it or leave my discovery...I don't care..

  
N.Wells



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2015,04:42   

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All animals are using/doing naturen to live, thus, they are animals.

Humans are using/doing intellen, thus, they are not already categorized as animals. but intelligent beings or IA.

Humans have instincts and intelligence.
Crows have instincts and NO intelligence.
Likewise for other animals - no intelligence.

That is the reason why you should differentiate if instinct and intelligence are the same or not since you are dis-agreeing with me...

False.  
You have not shown that crows operate solely by instinct and lack intelligence.  

The following are clear instances of learning and reasoning by any rational definition.  If we landed a probe on a distant planet and saw an alien doing these behaviors, there would be no question that we were seeing intelligent behavior.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....gP3Sw_8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....bHmuY04
http://www.lifebuzz.com/crows......s....ws
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....IttS9qg
http://www.sciencedaily.com/release....835.htm
http://www.cnn.com/2015....studies
http://www.cracked.com/article....p2.html
Your sole objection is that you want a sharp dividing line to exist between humans and other animals, and you are determined to invent jargon and play word games in order to make a gradation look like a dichotomy.

  
MrIntelligentDesign



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2015,05:02   

Quote (N.Wells @ Oct. 15 2015,04:42)
Quote
All animals are using/doing naturen to live, thus, they are animals.

Humans are using/doing intellen, thus, they are not already categorized as animals. but intelligent beings or IA.

Humans have instincts and intelligence.
Crows have instincts and NO intelligence.
Likewise for other animals - no intelligence.

That is the reason why you should differentiate if instinct and intelligence are the same or not since you are dis-agreeing with me...

False.  
You have not shown that crows operate solely by instinct and lack intelligence.  

The following are clear instances of learning and reasoning by any rational definition.  If we landed a probe on a distant planet and saw an alien doing these behaviors, there would be no question that we were seeing intelligent behavior.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....gP3Sw_8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....bHmuY04
http://www.lifebuzz.com/crows......s....ws
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....IttS9qg
http://www.sciencedaily.com/release....835.htm
http://www.cnn.com/2015.......studies
http://www.cracked.com/article....p2.html
Your sole objection is that you want a sharp dividing line to exist between humans and other animals, and you are determined to invent jargon and play word games in order to make a gradation look like a dichotomy.

I've watched and read all the links:

My goodness! That is not intelligence but only "instinct"! Maybe you will be surprised on how birds make their nests! You would probably call it "SUPERBIRD, HALLELUJAH!" Read my science book and see that you are totally wrong about intelligence...

  
dazz



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2015,05:04   

Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 15 2015,12:02)
Quote (N.Wells @ Oct. 15 2015,04:42)
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All animals are using/doing naturen to live, thus, they are animals.

Humans are using/doing intellen, thus, they are not already categorized as animals. but intelligent beings or IA.

Humans have instincts and intelligence.
Crows have instincts and NO intelligence.
Likewise for other animals - no intelligence.

That is the reason why you should differentiate if instinct and intelligence are the same or not since you are dis-agreeing with me...

False.  
You have not shown that crows operate solely by instinct and lack intelligence.  

The following are clear instances of learning and reasoning by any rational definition.  If we landed a probe on a distant planet and saw an alien doing these behaviors, there would be no question that we were seeing intelligent behavior.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....gP3Sw_8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....bHmuY04
http://www.lifebuzz.com/crows......s....ws
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....IttS9qg
http://www.sciencedaily.com/release....835.htm
http://www.cnn.com/2015.......studies
http://www.cracked.com/article....p2.html
Your sole objection is that you want a sharp dividing line to exist between humans and other animals, and you are determined to invent jargon and play word games in order to make a gradation look like a dichotomy.

I've watched and read all the links:

My goodness! That is not intelligence but only "instinct"! Maybe you will be surprised on how birds make their nests! You would probably call it "SUPERBIRD, HALLELUJAH!" Read my science book and see that you are totally wrong about intelligence...

What science book?

  
MrIntelligentDesign



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2015,05:37   

Quote (dazz @ Oct. 15 2015,05:04)
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 15 2015,12:02)
Quote (N.Wells @ Oct. 15 2015,04:42)
 
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All animals are using/doing naturen to live, thus, they are animals.

Humans are using/doing intellen, thus, they are not already categorized as animals. but intelligent beings or IA.

Humans have instincts and intelligence.
Crows have instincts and NO intelligence.
Likewise for other animals - no intelligence.

That is the reason why you should differentiate if instinct and intelligence are the same or not since you are dis-agreeing with me...

False.  
You have not shown that crows operate solely by instinct and lack intelligence.  

The following are clear instances of learning and reasoning by any rational definition.  If we landed a probe on a distant planet and saw an alien doing these behaviors, there would be no question that we were seeing intelligent behavior.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....gP3Sw_8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....bHmuY04
http://www.lifebuzz.com/crows......s....ws
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....IttS9qg
http://www.sciencedaily.com/release....835.htm
http://www.cnn.com/2015.......studies
http://www.cracked.com/article....p2.html
Your sole objection is that you want a sharp dividing line to exist between humans and other animals, and you are determined to invent jargon and play word games in order to make a gradation look like a dichotomy.

I've watched and read all the links:

My goodness! That is not intelligence but only "instinct"! Maybe you will be surprised on how birds make their nests! You would probably call it "SUPERBIRD, HALLELUJAH!" Read my science book and see that you are totally wrong about intelligence...

What science book?

My science books, of course!

  
dazz



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2015,05:39   

Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 15 2015,12:37)
Quote (dazz @ Oct. 15 2015,05:04)
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 15 2015,12:02)
 
Quote (N.Wells @ Oct. 15 2015,04:42)
 
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All animals are using/doing naturen to live, thus, they are animals.

Humans are using/doing intellen, thus, they are not already categorized as animals. but intelligent beings or IA.

Humans have instincts and intelligence.
Crows have instincts and NO intelligence.
Likewise for other animals - no intelligence.

That is the reason why you should differentiate if instinct and intelligence are the same or not since you are dis-agreeing with me...

False.  
You have not shown that crows operate solely by instinct and lack intelligence.  

The following are clear instances of learning and reasoning by any rational definition.  If we landed a probe on a distant planet and saw an alien doing these behaviors, there would be no question that we were seeing intelligent behavior.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....gP3Sw_8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....bHmuY04
http://www.lifebuzz.com/crows......s....ws
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....IttS9qg
http://www.sciencedaily.com/release....835.htm
http://www.cnn.com/2015.......studies
http://www.cracked.com/article....p2.html
Your sole objection is that you want a sharp dividing line to exist between humans and other animals, and you are determined to invent jargon and play word games in order to make a gradation look like a dichotomy.

I've watched and read all the links:

My goodness! That is not intelligence but only "instinct"! Maybe you will be surprised on how birds make their nests! You would probably call it "SUPERBIRD, HALLELUJAH!" Read my science book and see that you are totally wrong about intelligence...

What science book?

My science books, of course!

What science books?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2015,05:42   

Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 15 2015,03:49)
Quote (someotherguy @ Oct. 14 2015,18:19)
I'm still waiting to get a link to the video showing a debate with some scientist from some prominent science organization.

I did not debate him with video. I said in YouTube in where those scientist had been commenting incorrectly to my comments.

So we debated, and he had gone..

LOL, so what you actually did is argue with somebody in the world's dumbest comment section?  Who was this scientist again?

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MrIntelligentDesign



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2015,05:48   

Quote (someotherguy @ Oct. 15 2015,05:42)
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 15 2015,03:49)
Quote (someotherguy @ Oct. 14 2015,18:19)
I'm still waiting to get a link to the video showing a debate with some scientist from some prominent science organization.

I did not debate him with video. I said in YouTube in where those scientist had been commenting incorrectly to my comments.

So we debated, and he had gone..

LOL, so what you actually did is argue with somebody in the world's dumbest comment section?  Who was this scientist again?

I don't remember names if they don't have science...

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2015,05:53   

Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 15 2015,12:48)
Quote (someotherguy @ Oct. 15 2015,05:42)
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 15 2015,03:49)
 
Quote (someotherguy @ Oct. 14 2015,18:19)
I'm still waiting to get a link to the video showing a debate with some scientist from some prominent science organization.

I did not debate him with video. I said in YouTube in where those scientist had been commenting incorrectly to my comments.

So we debated, and he had gone..

LOL, so what you actually did is argue with somebody in the world's dumbest comment section?  Who was this scientist again?

I don't remember names if they don't have science...

How about Darwin? you do remember his name, BTW, what science books?

  
someotherguy



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2015,05:56   

Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 15 2015,05:48)
Quote (someotherguy @ Oct. 15 2015,05:42)
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 15 2015,03:49)
 
Quote (someotherguy @ Oct. 14 2015,18:19)
I'm still waiting to get a link to the video showing a debate with some scientist from some prominent science organization.

I did not debate him with video. I said in YouTube in where those scientist had been commenting incorrectly to my comments.

So we debated, and he had gone..

LOL, so what you actually did is argue with somebody in the world's dumbest comment section?  Who was this scientist again?

I don't remember names if they don't have science...

Well you said this person was from a "prestigious science group in USA", so you must at least remember that much.  Also, there should be a permanent record that you can link us to.

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MrIntelligentDesign



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2015,06:05   

Quote (dazz @ Oct. 15 2015,05:53)
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 15 2015,12:48)
Quote (someotherguy @ Oct. 15 2015,05:42)
 
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 15 2015,03:49)
 
Quote (someotherguy @ Oct. 14 2015,18:19)
I'm still waiting to get a link to the video showing a debate with some scientist from some prominent science organization.

I did not debate him with video. I said in YouTube in where those scientist had been commenting incorrectly to my comments.

So we debated, and he had gone..

LOL, so what you actually did is argue with somebody in the world's dumbest comment section?  Who was this scientist again?

I don't remember names if they don't have science...

How about Darwin? you do remember his name, BTW, what science books?

Yes, since Darwin had been 160 years now fooling people.

My books that discussed intelligence and animals are

"The New Intelligent Design <id>, Turning The Scientific World Upside Down"

and

"Biology Of Intelligent Design <id>"

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2015,06:06   

Quote (someotherguy @ Oct. 15 2015,05:56)
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 15 2015,05:48)
Quote (someotherguy @ Oct. 15 2015,05:42)
 
LOL, so what you actually did is argue with somebody in the world's dumbest comment section?  Who was this scientist again?

I don't remember names if they don't have science...

Well you said this person was from a "prestigious science group in USA", so you must at least remember that much.  Also, there should be a permanent record that you can link us to.

Yes, he told me that he is a member...

  
someotherguy



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2015,06:23   

Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 15 2015,06:06)
Quote (someotherguy @ Oct. 15 2015,05:56)
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 15 2015,05:48)
 
Quote (someotherguy @ Oct. 15 2015,05:42)
 
LOL, so what you actually did is argue with somebody in the world's dumbest comment section?  Who was this scientist again?

I don't remember names if they don't have science...

Well you said this person was from a "prestigious science group in USA", so you must at least remember that much.  Also, there should be a permanent record that you can link us to.

Yes, he told me that he is a member...

And you just believed him?  Which organization was this?  Where is the link to this conversation?

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