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damitall Posts: 331 Joined: Jan. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2009,03:16    Quote (CeilingCat @ Sep. 02 2009,23:54) Quote (deadman_932 @ Sep. 02 2009,07:17)   Quote (CeilingCat @ Sep. 02 2009,05:52)       Quote (Amadan @ Sep. 02 2009,05:22) Oh my Designer, the game is up!           Quote Equally startling is that these genes were discovered in what had been considered “junk” DNA, non-functioning strings of repetitive DNA that do not seem to do anything. [...] Scientists have long assumed new genes could only evolve from duplicated or rearranged versions of preexisting genes, passed on by our ancestors, Dr McLysaght said. But then scientists began to discover a very few novel genes in species such as flies and yeasts that arose from apparently inactive junk DNA. I, for one, welcome our new junk DNA overlords.         Quote Research leader Dr Aoife McLysaght and Dr David G Knowles, of TCD’s Smurfit Institute of Genetics, conducted comparisons of human, ape and monkey DNA. Honestly, you heathens will believe anything! Aoife is also quite the cutie...she's in front here: Darwin Day! I was seeing if she had a preprint or anything of that paper up and got all sexcited when I saw a .pdf icon next to the title-- but, alas, it was not to be. I made do with ogling pics of her and other lab denizens here http://www.gen.tcd.ie/molevol/ Sex and the Single Scientist!  Loved that book! The one on the right in the first picture is also foxy, although she seems to get her sweater sense from Dembski.  But on her, it looks good! Both of these pictures will join my growing selection of science porn. The lady scientist in front (Aoife?) had a brief soundbite/interview on the splendid BBC last night (Radio 4, no less!). Sounds as good as she looks - mind you, I do get  a bit sweaty hearing pretty women speaking with an Irish accent.

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2009,04:36    Potential new ID recruit?  The wife of the Japanese Prime Minister elect says, "While my body was asleep, I think my soul rode on a triangular-shaped UFO and went to Venus," she explains in the tome she published last year. "It was a very beautiful place, and it was very green." She also knew Tom Cruise in a former incarnation - when he was Japanese. I think she'd make a great Discovery Institute Fellow.  I wonder how she feels about Irreducible Complexity?  HIV Denial?  Has she ever expressed an interest in the Baylor Cafeteria?  I wonder what her position is on Obama's birth certificate?  I'm looking for a picture of her in a sweater, talking about Jesus with Denyse O'Leary and Michelle Bachmann. Link

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2009,08:53    I *heart* DNA_Jock http://www.uncommondescent.com/darwini....-332770 Quote .... In closing, I would like to thank kf for demonstrating that Weasel performs much better than a random search, and that mutation and selection can, cumulatively, produce results that appear directed/designed. That was, after all, CRD’s only point. I would also like to thank him for highlighting the sloppy writing seen in section E of the D&M paper. If someone as smart as kf did not notice the elision from Partitioned to Deterministic searches on pages 1055 – 1056, there is little hope that typical readers will be able to spot that eqn22 CANNOT describe a search that has generational champions, and therefore it CANNOT describe Weasel (irrespective of pseudo-quasi-implicit-latching). *swoon!* -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Leftfield Posts: 107 Joined: Nov. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2009,09:24    Quote (sparc @ Sep. 02 2009,23:36) Kairosfocus aka Gordon E. Mullings renowned selfspamming bandwidth burning UD entity has another alias: Dictionary       Quote Oops, forgot my own discussion [warning, fat web page -- download and save to your own PC please . . .]: You can't teach an old dog new tricks. If a copy of the always linked is created on another PC, is any information created? And what if one crucial bullet point is left out? Or duplicated? If only Joseph would come here to answer my questions. -------------- Speaking for myself, I have long been confused . . .-Denyse O'Leary

Amadan Posts: 1337 Joined: Jan. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2009,09:37    Quote (damitall @ Sep. 03 2009,03:16)   ... mind you, I do get  a bit sweaty hearing pretty women speaking with an Irish accent. Like our dear Minister for Health? -------------- "People are always looking for natural selection to generate random mutations" - Densye  4-4-2011 JoeG BTW dumbass- some variations help ensure reproductive fitness so they cannot be random wrt it.

damitall Posts: 331 Joined: Jan. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2009,09:46    Quote (Amadan @ Sep. 03 2009,09:37) Quote (damitall @ Sep. 03 2009,03:16)   ... mind you, I do get  a bit sweaty hearing pretty women speaking with an Irish accent. Like our dear Minister for Health? Watchit, buster! I stipulated PRETTY women. That one may be a wonderful person in all sorts of ways, but doesn't make my cut. One has one's standards

someotherguy Posts: 398 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2009,11:44    Quote (CeilingCat @ Sep. 03 2009,00:22) Quote clive,baby he he he he be some kind of craaaazy transcendental mathematician yo axe him do he think axioms be all tautological and shit fo real, clive,baby be all "that sh1t 6e what g0d be tr1pp1n on y0 they be hi5 numbah5 too h0w you crunk you cn c0unt wit d3m and sh1t" Is Erasmus, FCD really a Denyse O'Leary sock? Does anybody else in the world talk that way? We report, you decide. I've grown increasingly certain that everybody here and at UD are socks of k.e.  He's been on a bad acid trip for the past five years or so, and a few million words later (give or take), the results are quite, erm, illuminating. -------------- Evolander in training

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2009,12:13    Quote (someotherguy @ Sep. 03 2009,11:44) I've grown increasingly certain that everybody here and at UD are socks of k.e.  He's been on a bad acid trip for the past five years or so, and a few million words later (give or take), the results are quite, erm, illuminating. You could be right.. I for one, have never seen k.e. and Denyse, Dembski, CliveBaby, jerry, or BarryA in the same room together... -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2009,12:31    rooms in places like that are where people are supposed to forget each others names after they leave. -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

KCdgw Posts: 376 Joined: Sep. 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2009,13:00    Quote (J-Dog @ Sep. 03 2009,12:13) Quote (someotherguy @ Sep. 03 2009,11:44) I've grown increasingly certain that everybody here and at UD are socks of k.e.  He's been on a bad acid trip for the past five years or so, and a few million words later (give or take), the results are quite, erm, illuminating. You could be right.. I for one, have never seen k.e. and Denyse, Dembski, CliveBaby, jerry, or BarryA in the same room together... I have. It's a bar called The Endless Bummer. -------------- Those who know the truth are not equal to those who love it-- Confucius

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2009,13:56    MeganC - Hurrah! http://www.uncommondescent.com/educati....-332790 Quote 7 MeganC 09/03/2009 1:31 pm I have some questions about this book: Does it have any actual pictures of “The Signature in the Cell”? What cells have “The Signature in the Cell”? Whose signature is “The Signature in the Cell”? When was “The Signature in the Cell” first signed? Does each new cell require a new signature? Are all the signatures the same? If not, how are they different, and why? 8 Upright BiPed 09/03/2009 1:36 pm Megan, Does you mommy know you are on the computer? the correct response is of course: "No, I'm on YOUR mom('s)" But not really as funny for a Megan, one supposes. Uptight Blowhard, answer the questions... -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2009,14:20    clive,baby's new thread is a flaccid flopper, eh here is the content   Quote citation.  fellation discuss then PaulBurnett says "oh yeah american spectator that serious science journal lolololo" cue tardbergering   Quote 4 DATCG 09/03/2009 11:28 am Paul, Thank you for pointing out the obvious bias, prejudice and fascist Darwinistas who refuse to participate in open discussions and reviews. Last time an ID paper was published, the Darwinian Fascist took apart Dr Sternberg at the Smithsonian and treated him with scorn and ridicule. Showing they are little more than monkeys. They cannot think for themselves or lift themselves up high enough among the dogmatic fascism that is Darwinism today. Scientific American has been blatantly atheist. LOL…. what a bunch of barking buffoons, but keep on living in your little world of “holocaust denial.” pssst hey bill I thought you just published an ID paper bwahhahahahaha meanwhile Shawnboy is offering unsolicited suggestions   Quote In the mean time, my suggestion would be to search around for Stephen C. Meyer debates. He’s presented the arguments from Signature in the Cell in many of them. I’ve yet to find anything I would call a significant rebuttal of Meyer’s work, but I have a hunch my standards are slightly higher than your own. hahahaha that's the argument for ID from UD in a nutshell.  "any fool can see it, but you can't because you are an atheist with no objective standards" TARD ETA  UD has just become more and more of an old fashioned atheist witch hunt lately.  what a sack of slack -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2009,14:23    Quote DNA_Jock, good observation @ 286. It also highlights the inaccuracy of referring to active info as a measure of problem-specific information. A search without replacement is based on the same problem-specific information as a search with replacement, and yet the active information measure of the former is higher. The active information measure is a function not only of the information available, but also of the way that information is used. http://www.uncommondescent.com/darwini....-332777 -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

Advocatus Diaboli Posts: 198 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2009,15:02    Ouch. MeganC replies: Quote Her ashes are nearby, so I guess the answer to your question would depend your ‘worldview’. -------------- I once thought that I made a mistake, but I was wrong. "I freely admit I’m a sociopath" - DaveScot "Most importanly, the facts are on the side of ID." - scordova "UD is the greatest website of all time." stevestory

dogdidit Posts: 315 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2009,15:49    Quote (Advocatus Diaboli @ Sep. 03 2009,15:02) Ouch. MeganC replies:     Quote Her ashes are nearby, so I guess the answer to your question would depend your ‘worldview’. Damn, she put some stank on that one. Marry me, MeganC. On an unrelated note: sixteen more posts until we have a 5-handle on the number of pages on the UD2 thread. I can remember when the ol' jalopy still had that new car smell. -------------- "Humans carry plants and animals all over the globe, thus introducing them to places they could never have reached on their own. That certainly increases biodiversity." - D'OL

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2009,15:50    Clive lays out his thoughts on "active information":     Quote A tautology is true by definition, like saying that it’s either raining outside, or it’s not; it has to be true for all values of its variables, meaning, that all values have been exhausted and there is no new information being given. This is not the case when citing active information that produces a refined search better than random, for not all of the variables have been exhausted. There is new information being given. It is tantamount to saying that, to use your analogy, the car is moving, which conveys that it is not still. If we say that the car is either moving or not, then it is a tautology, for no information at all is given. Thus, your question to Barry is a non sequitur. Linky My bold. What is Clive on? -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2009,15:53    Quote (dogdidit @ Sep. 03 2009,21:49) Quote (Advocatus Diaboli @ Sep. 03 2009,15:02) Ouch. MeganC replies:       Quote Her ashes are nearby, so I guess the answer to your question would depend your ‘worldview’. Damn, she put some stank on that one. Marry me, MeganC. On an unrelated note: sixteen more posts until we have a 5-handle on the number of pages on the UD2 thread. I can remember when the ol' jalopy still had that new car smell. I was thinking something very similar. That 1k post mark will roll around any time now and then we'll have to pull Steve Story away from his chewin' baccy, crazy triathlon training, suspicious booze combos and molesting wild animals (but not squirrels, that's Deadman's dept) to start a third. Either that or we'll have to stop looking at UD forever and ever. Wait, does that mean that via the Copenhagen interpretation it will cease to exist? Louis -------------- Bye.

dogdidit Posts: 315 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2009,16:00    Quote (Louis @ Sep. 03 2009,15:53) That 1k post mark will roll around any time now and then we'll have to pull Steve Story away from his chewin' baccy, crazy triathlon training, suspicious booze combos and molesting wild animals (but not squirrels, that's Deadman's dept) to start a third. Sounds like the UD1K party from the end of the old thread. Perhaps we need someone other than ras to plan the festivities? Cause if it's squirrels again, I'm going to the movies instead. -------------- "Humans carry plants and animals all over the globe, thus introducing them to places they could never have reached on their own. That certainly increases biodiversity." - D'OL

someotherguy Posts: 398 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2009,16:56    Quote (Louis @ Sep. 03 2009,15:53) Quote (dogdidit @ Sep. 03 2009,21:49) Quote (Advocatus Diaboli @ Sep. 03 2009,15:02) Ouch. MeganC replies:       Quote Her ashes are nearby, so I guess the answer to your question would depend your ‘worldview’. Damn, she put some stank on that one. Marry me, MeganC. On an unrelated note: sixteen more posts until we have a 5-handle on the number of pages on the UD2 thread. I can remember when the ol' jalopy still had that new car smell. I was thinking something very similar. That 1k post mark will roll around any time now and then we'll have to pull Steve Story away from his chewin' baccy, crazy triathlon training, suspicious booze combos and molesting wild animals (but not squirrels, that's Deadman's dept) to start a third. Either that or we'll have to stop looking at UD forever and ever. Wait, does that mean that via the Copenhagen interpretation it will cease to exist? Louis If you're serious about trying to rope Mr. Story back onto the tard farm, I might be able to assist.  He frequents another blog/forum that I read and post on, and I occasionally talk to him there. -------------- Evolander in training

khan Posts: 1554 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2009,16:59    Quote If you're serious about trying to rope Mr. Story back onto the tard farm, I might be able to assist.  He frequents another blog/forum that I read and post on, and I occasionally talk to him there. Tell him we love him and miss him, and wish he could appear every now and then. -------------- "It's as if all those words, in their hurry to escape from the loony, have fallen over each other, forming scrambled heaps of meaninglessness." -damitall That's so fucking stupid it merits a wing in the museum of stupid. -midwifetoad Frequency is just the plural of wavelength... -JoeG

deadman_932 Posts: 3094 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2009,17:57    Quote (khan @ Sep. 03 2009,16:59)   Quote If you're serious about trying to rope Mr. Story back onto the tard farm, I might be able to assist.  He frequents another blog/forum that I read and post on, and I occasionally talk to him there. Tell him we love him and miss him, and wish he could appear every now and then. Well, I dunno if I luuuuuuuuuuv Steve, but I do miss his wit. A lot. And, um...sometimes I wake up screaming and weeping, then I curse the unfairness of it all and tear at my flesh with a wood gouge or minitorch because steve isn't around. Is that like love?                                  -- Mystified in Manitoba ETA: Yep, seriously, someotherguy, he should be back here. -------------- AtBC Award for Thoroughness in the Face of Creationism

someotherguy Posts: 398 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2009,18:10    Quote (deadman_932 @ Sep. 03 2009,17:57) Quote (khan @ Sep. 03 2009,16:59)   Quote If you're serious about trying to rope Mr. Story back onto the tard farm, I might be able to assist.  He frequents another blog/forum that I read and post on, and I occasionally talk to him there. Tell him we love him and miss him, and wish he could appear every now and then. Well, I dunno if I luuuuuuuuuuv Steve, but I do miss his wit. A lot. And, um...sometimes I wake up screaming and weeping, then I curse the unfairness of it all and tear at my flesh with a wood gouge or minitorch because steve isn't around. Is that like love?                                  -- Mystfied in Manitoba ETA: Yep, seriously, someotherguy, he should be back here. I will pass on the message, though I may omit the flesh-gouging parts.  :) -------------- Evolander in training

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2009,22:22    Quote (someotherguy @ Sep. 03 2009,19:44) Quote (CeilingCat @ Sep. 03 2009,00:22) Quote clive,baby he he he he be some kind of craaaazy transcendental mathematician yo axe him do he think axioms be all tautological and shit fo real, clive,baby be all "that sh1t 6e what g0d be tr1pp1n on y0 they be hi5 numbah5 too h0w you crunk you cn c0unt wit d3m and sh1t" Is Erasmus, FCD really a Denyse O'Leary sock? Does anybody else in the world talk that way? We report, you decide. I've grown increasingly certain that everybody here and at UD are socks of k.e.  He's been on a bad acid trip for the past five years or so, and a few million words later (give or take), the results are quite, erm, illuminating. Thankyou, that's made my everyones day. You made one slip though. How did you make me post that? ......erm -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

someotherguy Posts: 398 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2009,22:38    Quote (k.e.. @ Sep. 03 2009,22:22) Quote (someotherguy @ Sep. 03 2009,19:44) Quote (CeilingCat @ Sep. 03 2009,00:22)   Quote clive,baby he he he he be some kind of craaaazy transcendental mathematician yo axe him do he think axioms be all tautological and shit fo real, clive,baby be all "that sh1t 6e what g0d be tr1pp1n on y0 they be hi5 numbah5 too h0w you crunk you cn c0unt wit d3m and sh1t" Is Erasmus, FCD really a Denyse O'Leary sock? Does anybody else in the world talk that way? We report, you decide. I've grown increasingly certain that everybody here and at UD are socks of k.e.  He's been on a bad acid trip for the past five years or so, and a few million words later (give or take), the results are quite, erm, illuminating. Thankyou, that's made my everyones day. You made one slip though. How did you make me post that? ......erm Just think of me as a manifestation of your more mischievous side.    :p -------------- Evolander in training

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2009,22:46    or your frilllllier side Quote 3 September 2009 Darwinism and Alchemy GilDodgen The recent brouhaha concerning Mike Behe at BloggingHeads got me to thinking. (I do that from time to time.) I finally figured out why the incensed Darwinists who resigned from BH did so: They are the equivalent of alchemists who have been confronted with knowledge about the nature of the nucleus of the atom. Alchemists thought that they might be able to turn lead into gold through chemistry. (After all, lead is heavy and dense, and gold is too.) Darwinists propose that inanimate matter — coupled with the laws of chance, chemistry, etc. — can produce information-processing systems of incredible sophistication. The alchemist and the Darwinist have been seduced into pursuing analogous rainbows, based on a fundamental misunderstanding about how things work. Chemistry will never turn lead into gold, because the nucleus of the atom must be altered to achieve that goal. Chemistry can only affect the bonding of atoms through the interaction of the electrons orbiting the nucleus. Alchemists were unaware of this fact, and thus their dream was unattainable in principle. Chemistry, chance, and natural selection will never turn matter into information-processing systems, because design is required. The dream of the Darwinist is unattainable in principle — thus his hostility and desperation. frill, you forgot that the alchemists are "evil" and "without an objective basis for their morals" ALL SCIENCE SO FAR -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

sledgehammer Posts: 533 Joined: Sep. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2009,23:09    Not to mention that with a little knowledge of "nuclear chemistry", we figured out how to make gold from lead!  So Frill, whose the "alchemist" now, those pursuing the detailed knowledge of the inner workings of the cell, or those who sit back and say "It's too complicated, goddidit!" -------------- The majority of the stupid is invincible and guaranteed for all time. The terror of their tyranny is alleviated by their lack of consistency. -A. Einstein  (H/T, JAD) If evolution is true, you could not know that it's true because your brain is nothing but chemicals. ?Think about that. -K. Hovind

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2009,00:34    Is UD down, or is it just me that it's ignoring? Help!  I need my regular tard fix. ETA: It looks like the UDites could do with some good American catchphrases: http://healthbase.netbase.com/#tard&Treatments -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

sledgehammer Posts: 533 Joined: Sep. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2009,00:46    Must be you Bob.  It seems to be working for me @ 22:45 PST, 6:45 GMT. -------------- The majority of the stupid is invincible and guaranteed for all time. The terror of their tyranny is alleviated by their lack of consistency. -A. Einstein  (H/T, JAD) If evolution is true, you could not know that it's true because your brain is nothing but chemicals. ?Think about that. -K. Hovind

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2009,00:52    Damn.  They're on to me. Oh well, I've finally found out why Heddle was so against Obama.  He knew what the complications would be: http://healthbase.netbase.com/#Obama&Complications -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

Dr.GH Posts: 2333 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 04 2009,01:27    It would cost much more to make gold than to dig for it. Back in my youth, our freshman chemistry class did a lab that made lots of silver chloride. I got the TAs to save it up for me, and as I was a potter, I burned the load in my kiln. The released chlorine eventually made hydrochloric acid and rained out. I was down wind. Silver was about $2.60 an ounce as I recall. I didn't make enough to bother the next years TAs. -------------- "Science is the horse that pulls the cart of philosophy." L. Susskind, 2004 "SMOLIN VS. SUSSKIND: THE ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE"

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