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Posted: Feb. 14 2006,03:46

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sorry, being a marine biologist, i simply knee jerk must correct errors in representations of sea creatures.

my apologies for stepping on your attempts at humor.

er, carry on.

No worries bro. I'm glad to expanded my knowledge.

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Posted: Feb. 14 2006,06:56

The notion that human beings are flawed is flawed. Such a dim view of mankind is needless. Human beings are perfect at being human beings. No one does a better job of being a human being than a human being.

Part of the nature of being a human being is our capacity to make good decisions and bad decisions. We're fallible. This does not make mankind "flawed" it makes him what he is, a human being. Human beings are fallible, that does not make them flawed. Dogs are fallible, do we describe dogs as being "flawed"?

Notions of "flawed" human beings are rooted in religious nonsense having to do with original sin, the fall of man, etc. Ideas we need not perpetuate.

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Posted: Feb. 16 2006,12:37

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If I understand the Christian fundamentalist perspective at all, the presumption is that anything that fails to promote their religion, is actively engaged (by dint of that very failure) in disputing their religion. If you're not for us, you are against us.

No scientific theory ever has or ever can require anything supernatural. If something is observed, the mechanisms for which nobody has the slightest clue about, the best science can do is admit bone ignorance (and start investigating). If there ARE magical forces undetectable in principle, science must forever remain baffled.

And, don't you think that it would stand out? I mean, "yeah, there's this one thing. Over on Mt.Etna, the rocks roll uphill. We studied the heck out of it but nothing makes sense."

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Most religions teach that a God built all of the stuff in the universe living and not living. Evolution teaches that a God did not build life on earth. If life on earth is taught as being the product of purposeless blind chance instead of emotion laden eternal purpose, then in essence evolution is implying that there is no afterlife.

And that, said john, is that (A.A. Milne)

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Posted: Feb. 16 2006,14:17

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Dogs are fallible, do we describe dogs as being "flawed"?

the following is totally pointless mental masturbation based on a nitpik of the choice used in the example given.

that's an interesting question from a philosophical standpoint.

since dogs (assuming you meant domestic?) are products of artificial selection, we could describe certain traits as "flaws", and often do in fact. I seem to recall that exact word being used at a recent dog show...

If ID were correct, would we think the intelligent designer could recognize similar "flaws"?

I could image a "human show" on another planet somewhere where a "handler" (read: intelligent designer ala Behe) would be listing the flaws in the particular human specimen selected for show.

sounds like a plotline for a Futurama episode.

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