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Posted: Mar. 27 2017,02:26

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He's still posting actively on his facebook page.

Maybe Barry was sick of replacing his scroll wheels.

I wonderd if I might find an update on Barry's situation by googling him. I didn't, but I did find this news report about his involvement in the aftermath of the Columbine shootings.

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Posted: Mar. 27 2017,10:12

Oooooo Granville's back

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Granville Sewell March 26, 2017 at 10:15 pm
Joseph LeConte, in his book “Evolution” acknowledges that
evolution is an “axiom,” ie, is unfalsifiable:

www.evolutionnews.org/2014/03/evolution_is_an/

FWIW, LeConte died in 1901.

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Posted: Mar. 27 2017,11:23

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Oooooo Granville's back

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Granville Sewell March 26, 2017 at 10:15 pm
Joseph LeConte, in his book “Evolution” acknowledges that
evolution is an “axiom,” ie, is unfalsifiable:

www.evolutionnews.org/2014/03/evolution_is_an/

FWIW, LeConte died in 1901.

[URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/design-disquisitions-quote-of-the-month-cornelius-hunter-on-the-unfalsifiability-of-evolut

ion/#comment-627772]linky[/URL]

And he was Lamarckian, as well as providing evidence for evolution (no idea how good), as he understood that many did not see evolution as axiomatic.

Leconte sort of has a point with his "axiomatic" idea, which seems to relate to Lyellian uniformitarianism (which Lyell saw as a kind of law, above empiricism), more or less the idea that you have to use causality going into the past, and causality is what we see now with imperfect reproduction (even if not especially Darwinian). Of course "axiomatic" is a poor conclusion, but my point is that behind even that problem in Granny's ancient source is a good deal of thinking that the dullard Granny doesn't get (unless he gets it and just lies, less likely IMO).

Being the ignorant fuck that he is, Granny badly misrepresents the whole issue with respect to a rather obscure and very old source. Being the complete bigot he is, he pretends that Leconte "admits" what present-day "Darwinists" won't, rather than recognizing that Leconte buys into the old and discredited view of uniformitarianism while nevertheless appealing to evidence in a way that Granny never does.

Leconte's wrong, but could never be as wrong as Sewell is.

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Posted: Mar. 27 2017,12:47

Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 27 2017,10:12)

Oooooo Granville's back

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Granville Sewell March 26, 2017 at 10:15 pm
Joseph LeConte, in his book “Evolution” acknowledges that
evolution is an “axiom,” ie, is unfalsifiable:

www.evolutionnews.org/2014/03/evolution_is_an/

FWIW, LeConte died in 1901.

[URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/design-disquisitions-quote-of-the-month-cornelius-hunter-on-the-unfalsifiability-of-evolut

ion/#comment-627772]linky[/URL]

Didn't we have some references to "Zombie Science" recently?

Though "Granville's back" is somewhat more of a suggestion that we didn't use a sufficiently sharp stake.

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Posted: Mar. 27 2017,13:45

Dense and Dreary is taking a page from Gordo's playbook. Posting an OP with the comments off. I can see why she would feel the need to do this. Especially since her OPs always stimulate hundreds of comments, many by evil atheists and their ilk. Well, except for the last 17 OPs which only garnered an average of 4 comments per OP.Gordo's agit prop OP alone has garnered 390 comments. OK, most of them are by Gordo himself, that narcissistic little twerp.
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Posted: Mar. 27 2017,16:06

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Oooooo Granville's back

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Granville Sewell March 26, 2017 at 10:15 pm
Joseph LeConte, in his book “Evolution” acknowledges that
evolution is an “axiom,” ie, is unfalsifiable:

www.evolutionnews.org/2014/03/evolution_is_an/

FWIW, LeConte died in 1901.

[URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/evolution/design-disquisitions-quote-of-the-month-cornelius-hunter-on-the-unfalsifiability-of-evolut

ion/#comment-627772]linky[/URL]

Didn't we have some references to "Zombie Science" recently?

Though "Granville's back" is somewhat more of a suggestion that we didn't use a sufficiently sharp stake.

You really have to bury the ashes at a crossroads under a full moon. That's just basic science.

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Posted: Mar. 27 2017,16:34

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Armand Jacks March 27, 2017 at 9:23 am
KF:

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AJ, I see you on a tangent again;

All I did was respond to your comments so if I am off on a tangent it is because you took us there.

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As in, years ago here at UD we took a look at how beavers create dams and lodges adapted to the particular circumstances of a given situation.

I wasn’t aware that beavers wrote “text (not to mention the associated execution machinery) in such quantities — 100 to 1,000 k bits [OOL] to 10 – 100+ mn bits [OO body plans]? It looks like you are going off on a tangent. But let’s go down that road. Can you provide supporting evidence that the beaver dams and lodges are intelligently designed? Or are they the result of instinct and reflex? Beavers raised from kit without ever seeing dams or lodges will still build them when released to the wild.

As well, without any knowledge of beavers and without seeing them build these structures, you would be very hard pressed to conclude that they were designed and not just the outcome of water movement and the fact that wood floats. There are plenty of instances of naturally occurring dams and piles formed by branches and sticks.

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Indeed, given evidence of design of the physical cosmos, we cannot even confine design inferences to materially embodied designers.

Except that there is no compelling evidence that the universe is designed.

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PS: On Newton, you apparently are unaware of the huge debates that he faced linked to for instance the notion of action at a distance.

No, I am not unaware of it. I just don’t see where it is relevant to this discussion.

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I again point to how Wilberforce dealt with an institutionally entrenched trade that commoditised human life, creating holocaust level slaughter in the process; illustrating his insight that reform of culture, heart, mind and soul must come first to lead to enforceable reform of law.

He was a man with significant influence in the most powerful country in the western world at the time. He laid the legal groundwork for the abolition of slavery. But that wasn’t sufficient to make a permanent change in the western world. It still required people with less influence to take direct action, including violence. The underground railroad is an example. And, ultimately, it took one of the most violent eras in US history (the Civil war) to finally make it a thing of the past.

You are, relatively speaking, an insignificant little man from an insignificant little island, commenting on an insignificant little blog and web-site. And before you start screaming “ad-hominem”, I am also an insignificant little man from an insignificant little country. Comparing what you do to what Wilberforce did is just self-delusion. Since you have no hope of influencing the abortion rate through political influence, the most effective approach would be direct action, which you refuse to do. Myself, on the other hand, have taken direct action on two occasions. I twice witnessed an aggressive pro-lifer harrassing women entering an abortion clinic. In both cases I physically stood between the woman and the pro-lifer so that the women could enter the clinic unmolested. I then called the police, after which the pro-lifer was arrested and sentenced to some jail time (repeat offender). Direct action does not always require violence.

But, even Wilberforce would have supported the charging and severe punishment of anyone caught continuing to profit from the slave trade after its abolition. Your hesitance to support the same thing for women having abortions after you succeed in making it illegal speaks volumes. And not in your favour.

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Posted: Mar. 27 2017,16:53

Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 27 2017,16:34)

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Armand Jacks March 27, 2017 at 9:23 am
KF:

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AJ, I see you on a tangent again;

All I did was respond to your comments so if I am off on a tangent it is because you took us there.

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As in, years ago here at UD we took a look at how beavers create dams and lodges adapted to the particular circumstances of a given situation.

I wasn’t aware that beavers wrote “text (not to mention the associated execution machinery) in such quantities — 100 to 1,000 k bits [OOL] to 10 – 100+ mn bits [OO body plans]? It looks like you are going off on a tangent. But let’s go down that road. Can you provide supporting evidence that the beaver dams and lodges are intelligently designed? Or are they the result of instinct and reflex? Beavers raised from kit without ever seeing dams or lodges will still build them when released to the wild.

As well, without any knowledge of beavers and without seeing them build these structures, you would be very hard pressed to conclude that they were designed and not just the outcome of water movement and the fact that wood floats. There are plenty of instances of naturally occurring dams and piles formed by branches and sticks.

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Indeed, given evidence of design of the physical cosmos, we cannot even confine design inferences to materially embodied designers.

Except that there is no compelling evidence that the universe is designed.

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PS: On Newton, you apparently are unaware of the huge debates that he faced linked to for instance the notion of action at a distance.

No, I am not unaware of it. I just don’t see where it is relevant to this discussion.

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I again point to how Wilberforce dealt with an institutionally entrenched trade that commoditised human life, creating holocaust level slaughter in the process; illustrating his insight that reform of culture, heart, mind and soul must come first to lead to enforceable reform of law.

He was a man with significant influence in the most powerful country in the western world at the time. He laid the legal groundwork for the abolition of slavery. But that wasn’t sufficient to make a permanent change in the western world. It still required people with less influence to take direct action, including violence. The underground railroad is an example. And, ultimately, it took one of the most violent eras in US history (the Civil war) to finally make it a thing of the past.

You are, relatively speaking, an insignificant little man from an insignificant little island, commenting on an insignificant little blog and web-site. And before you start screaming “ad-hominem”, I am also an insignificant little man from an insignificant little country. Comparing what you do to what Wilberforce did is just self-delusion. Since you have no hope of influencing the abortion rate through political influence, the most effective approach would be direct action, which you refuse to do. Myself, on the other hand, have taken direct action on two occasions. I twice witnessed an aggressive pro-lifer harrassing women entering an abortion clinic. In both cases I physically stood between the woman and the pro-lifer so that the women could enter the clinic unmolested. I then called the police, after which the pro-lifer was arrested and sentenced to some jail time (repeat offender). Direct action does not always require violence.

But, even Wilberforce would have supported the charging and severe punishment of anyone caught continuing to profit from the slave trade after its abolition. Your hesitance to support the same thing for women having abortions after you succeed in making it illegal speaks volumes. And not in your favour.

linky

I especially liked the 'insignificant little man on an insignificant little island' bit.

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Posted: Mar. 28 2017,04:52

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I especially liked the 'insignificant little man on an insignificant little island' bit.

Much as I enjoy seeing KF being taken down a peg or three, that's the one bit I didn't like. It's a personal preference, but the use of the words 'insignificant' and especially 'little' referring to a person have an air of arbitrary insult to me; of unnecessary, well, belittlement.

However, AJ mitigates this by adding context and describing himself in the same terms. And better, he goes on to take a swipe at WJM's on-going pizzagate obsession, worth checking out (UD link).

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Posted: Mar. 28 2017,22:17

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I especially liked the 'insignificant little man on an insignificant little island' bit.

Much as I enjoy seeing KF being taken down a peg or three, that's the one bit I didn't like. It's a personal preference, but the use of the words 'insignificant' and especially 'little' referring to a person have an air of arbitrary insult to me; of unnecessary, well, belittlement.

However, AJ mitigates this by adding context and describing himself in the same terms. And better, he goes on to take a swipe at WJM's on-going pizzagate obsession, worth checking out (UD link).

I completely concur, arbitrary and inaccurate. Pompous ass would be far more suitable.

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Posted: Mar. 29 2017,08:17

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OrigenesMarch 27, 2017 at 3:18 pm

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DaveS: There are different notions of infinity, and we have to be clear about what we are working with.

Okay. let’s start with this definition: infinity = infinity.

It follows: infinity – infinity = 0

Now let’s return to what LocalMinimum pointed out:

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Infinity + 1 = Infinity ->
Infinity + 1 – Infinity = Infinity – Infinity ->
1 = 0.

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jdkMarch 28, 2017 at 9:42 pm
to Origenes: A – A = 0 is true only if A is a finite number. Infinity is not a number to which numeric arithmetic can be applied.

A = A applies to anything: it just says everything is identical to itself. But you can’t treat it as an algebraic equation unless A is something upon which the operation of subtraction applies, and infinity is not such a thing.

Infinity, even the “normal” kind we consider when we work with the counting numbers, has many paradoxes if you think of it as having the same behavior as finite numbers. That just means that infinity as a concept has to be handled differently than finite numbers.

For instance, the set of all counting numbers is infinite: that is a property of the set, not a “final” number in the set. The set of all even numbers is infinite. If you take away all the evens from the counting numbers you get the odds, which is also an infinite set.

Thinking of infinity as a number is just the wrong things to do, as it isn’t a number in the same sense that 5 (or 17 trillion, or 10^6000) is.

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Posted: Mar. 29 2017,08:19

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rvb8March 28, 2017 at 10:36 pm
Yes groovamos,

the US develops all the drugs in the world and socialist coutries like Britain, the entire EU, Canada, NZ, and Australia, rip off US taxpayers by not paying a fair price for these (in those countries), public health subsidised products.

Of course Glaxo/Smith/Kline (UK), is pretty damn innovative, creative, and huge. Novartis (Swiss), has been known to invent the odd useful pill. Hoffman-La Roche (Swiss), come up with bright ideas, Sanofi (France) are no slugs, and Chugai (Japan) have some ideas too.

The US health care system has been improved, and voters have told Republican law makers to get the hell away from the ACA, which they duly did.

Please don’t comment on health care systems infinately more humane and egalitarian, and socialised, than your mess, unless it is ‘informed’ criticism. Republican, Fox News, ‘death committee’, abortuary, silliness is just plain childisn ranting.

As to the post; the language used by these feminists is painful, and reminds me of the Sokal affair. It also reminds me of many Kairos and other IDer posts; so vague, and deliberately jargon laden that anything but clarity is the goal. Another reason I like good science writing, Shubin, Coyne, Dawkins etc; clarity!

cue a thousand-word rant from KF, probly.

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Posted: Mar. 29 2017,15:46

Ah well, as One Stone once said, only two things are infinite - the universe and human stupidity. But he wasn't sure about the former.

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Posted: Mar. 29 2017,22:28

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Dawkin's...Hitchen's

rvb8 is about 50 IQ points above the UD regulars, but someone needs to sit him down and learn him how apostrophes work

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Posted: Mar. 29 2017,23:55

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Ah well, as One Stone once said, only two things are infinite - the universe and human stupidity. But he wasn't sure about the former.

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Posted: Mar. 30 2017,03:33

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Ah well, as One Stone once said, only two things are infinite - the universe and human stupidity. But he wasn't sure about the former.

I thought it was One Beer Glass said it.

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Posted: Mar. 30 2017,09:05

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Ah well, as One Stone once said, only two things are infinite - the universe and human stupidity. But he wasn't sure about the former.

I thought it was One Beer Glass said it.

It was a stone beer glass.

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Posted: Mar. 30 2017,11:00

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Ah well, as One Stone once said, only two things are infinite - the universe and human stupidity. But he wasn't sure about the former.

I thought it was One Beer Glass said it.

It was a stone beer glass.

I thought it was two birds.

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Posted: Mar. 30 2017,12:34

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Ah well, as One Stone once said, only two things are infinite - the universe and human stupidity. But he wasn't sure about the former.

I thought it was One Beer Glass said it.

It was a stone beer glass.

I thought it was two birds.

Either it was one hand clapping or a burning bush, for what it's worth.

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Posted: Mar. 30 2017,13:18

Thanks to a Facebook link from Batshit77, we are favored with a new article from D. O'Leary, originally published in HBU, the magazine of Huston Baptist University.

In it, she demonstrates that she has no clue to what the 'hard problem' is in consciousness:

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Two schools of thought, twin poles really, dominate the generally accepted naturalist (nature is all there is) account. One holds that consciousness is part of the material structure of the universe (otherwise, it could not exist). The other school holds that consciousness is merely an illusion generated by the activities of neurons, an illusion conserved by evolution because it enables humans to survive more frequently and pass on their genes. The contention between the two schools is famously called the “hard problem of consciousness.”

She also favors us with a brand new picture of herself at the end of the article. I won't publish it here because damn!

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Posted: Mar. 30 2017,15:54

Now that Alex Jones has issued a notpology for promoting the false Pizzagate conspiracy, will Mullings & Murray desist in fomenting their agit-prop?

Of course, Alex only said what he said to avoid being liable for punitive financial damages...it's not like he really believes Pizzagate isn't true.

Right M&M?

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Posted: Mar. 30 2017,19:31

Don't they ever realize what they're saying?

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gpuccioMarch 30, 2017 at 4:17 pm
UB:

Frankly, I would love to have back Piotr, Mark Frank, or Zachriel.

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gpuccioMarch 30, 2017 at 4:20 pm
UB:

I must say that I have dear memories of Elizabeth! Maybe not so much of her arguments… 🙂

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gpuccioMarch 30, 2017 at 4:24 pm
UB:

Should I become nostalgic for Alicia, too? Ehm, maybe not. 🙂

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Upright BiPedMarch 30, 2017 at 6:11 pm
Ah, yes. I remember arguing ineffectively with all of them. 🙂

Yes, UB, we remember your ineffective arguments.

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Posted: Mar. 31 2017,11:31

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ppolish March 31, 2017 at 9:14 am
Early humans were roaming the planet long before apes and monkeys. Fossil evidence tells us so.

Tipsy monkeys can be explained by the “drunken human” hypothesis. Monkey see, monkey do. Burp.

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News March 31, 2017 at 10:11 am
ppolish at 1, many authorities teach that man’s sin has corrupted the whole planet. It would be no surprise if what you say is true. 😉

what a buncha idiots

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Posted: Mar. 31 2017,12:15

If humans came before apes, then who raised Tarzan?

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Posted: Mar. 31 2017,16:09

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ppolish March 31, 2017 at 9:14 am
Early humans were roaming the planet long before apes and monkeys. Fossil evidence tells us so.

Tipsy monkeys can be explained by the “drunken human” hypothesis. Monkey see, monkey do. Burp.

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News March 31, 2017 at 10:11 am
ppolish at 1, many authorities teach that man’s sin has corrupted the whole planet. It would be no surprise if what you say is true. 😉

what a buncha idiots

ppolish a couple comments later:

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jdk, the drunken monkey hypothesis is based on observation of modern monkeys and apes. Not based on old world monkeys. Early humans predate drunken monkeys.

Got that? Modern monkeys not old world monkeys. Monkeys were teetotal in the old world.

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Posted: Mar. 31 2017,16:46

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ppolish March 31, 2017 at 9:14 am
Early humans were roaming the planet long before apes and monkeys. Fossil evidence tells us so.

Tipsy monkeys can be explained by the “drunken human” hypothesis. Monkey see, monkey do. Burp.

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News March 31, 2017 at 10:11 am
ppolish at 1, many authorities teach that man’s sin has corrupted the whole planet. It would be no surprise if what you say is true. 😉

what a buncha idiots

ppolish a couple comments later:

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jdk, the drunken monkey hypothesis is based on observation of modern monkeys and apes. Not based on old world monkeys. Early humans predate drunken monkeys.

Got that? Modern monkeys not old world monkeys. Monkeys were teetotal in the old world.

He's following the Literal Bible timeline. There couldn't have been drunk monkeys until Noah invented getting totally rat-assed.

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Posted: April 01 2017,00:47

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ppolish March 31, 2017 at 9:14 am
Early humans were roaming the planet long before apes and monkeys. Fossil evidence tells us so.

Tipsy monkeys can be explained by the “drunken human” hypothesis. Monkey see, monkey do. Burp.

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News March 31, 2017 at 10:11 am
ppolish at 1, many authorities teach that man’s sin has corrupted the whole planet. It would be no surprise if what you say is true. 😉

what a buncha idiots

ppolish a couple comments later:

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jdk, the drunken monkey hypothesis is based on observation of modern monkeys and apes. Not based on old world monkeys. Early humans predate drunken monkeys.

Got that? Modern monkeys not old world monkeys. Monkeys were teetotal in the old world.

Modern monkeys are just a marketing construct designed by the parasite class using popular memes of the age to extract wealth and devotion from the prols. Much like religion.

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The point of being an engineering major is to get a good and interesting job after college. What are these liberated engineers going to be good at? Now the engineering degrees, one of the few remaining degrees worth getting at university, will be destroyed. This means universities will no longer serve a purpose other than propaganda mills, and be a drain on the economy. The only way they’ll remain open is by government handouts.

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EricMHApril 3, 2017 at 3:12 pm
The point of being an engineering major is to get a good and interesting job after college. What are these liberated engineers going to be good at? Now the engineering degrees, one of the few remaining degrees worth getting at university, will be destroyed. This means universities will no longer serve a purpose other than propaganda mills, and be a drain on the economy. The only way they’ll remain open is by government handouts.

But isn't that what the ID Creationist's want? Propaganda mills for their political aims? Cocks not able to stay at the top of the shit pile? Dear me poor, poor micro violin players crying in their tea.

What hypocrisy.

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