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Posted: Jan. 24 2012,14:54

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Jan. 23 2012,20:13)

Quote (OgreMkV @ Jan. 23 2012,09:45)

You know what we ought to do. We ought to start an ID board that actually talks about ID, presents coherent arguments, etc. We could drive visitors from UD to our site.

We'd become the biggest pro-ID site in the world.

Then, we tell everyone that, after all this time, we haven't actually found any evidence for ID and therefore must abandon it as a hypothesis.

The ultimate in sock puppetry... a whole puppet website.

Yeah, but it was screwed up by some bastard evilutionist.

Oh hi, olegt. Didn't see you there.

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Posted: Jan. 24 2012,15:05

Quote (Kattarina98 @ Jan. 24 2012,14:31)

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Jan. 23 2012,20:13)

Quote (OgreMkV @ Jan. 23 2012,09:45)

You know what we ought to do. We ought to start an ID board that actually talks about ID, presents coherent arguments, etc. We could drive visitors from UD to our site.

We'd become the biggest pro-ID site in the world.

Then, we tell everyone that, after all this time, we haven't actually found any evidence for ID and therefore must abandon it as a hypothesis.

The ultimate in sock puppetry... a whole puppet website.

This site was sooo wrong! In the banner, you need to put a crucifix, blending smartly over into something sciencey.

Like something blending self-flagellation and flagella. Good thought.

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Posted: Jan. 24 2012,15:52

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Quote (MichaelJ @ Jan. 15 2012,22:49)

I guess as a full fellow he will be asked to sing for his supper. I wonder if the requirements will include the UD blog? Also given his comments about not liking the Nazi-Darwinism link and being an Old Earth Creationist, how will he control UD?

On the Floating Command Center, DaveTard hears a knock on the door....

WAD: We're gettin' the band back together!

We don't got no Goddamn band! We don't need to fucking practice, Randy! We don't no shit-ass manager neither! You motherfuckers! You all are a bunch of losers! I'm the only sane son-of-a-bitch here! So get the *fuck* out of my house now!

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Posted: Jan. 24 2012,15:55

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Quote (didymos @ Jan. 16 2012,02:34)

Quote (MichaelJ @ Jan. 15 2012,22:49)

I guess as a full fellow he will be asked to sing for his supper. I wonder if the requirements will include the UD blog? Also given his comments about not liking the Nazi-Darwinism link and being an Old Earth Creationist, how will he control UD?

On the Floating Command Center, DaveTard hears a knock on the door....

WAD: We're gettin' the band back together!

We don't got no Goddamn band! We don't need to fucking practice, Randy! We don't no shit-ass manager neither! You motherfuckers! You all are a bunch of losers! I'm the only sane son-of-a-bitch here! So get the *fuck* out of my house now!

WHOA more apropos than.... you know. not sure which one is meant to be tranmaw

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I don't like homosexuals and she goes out and buddies up with one so I gotta deal with that. I don't like little wimpy-ass kids or mental retards and she got one of each livin' with her.
[laughs] I'm just kidding about that really.

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

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Posted: Jan. 24 2012,15:57

UD style "welcome to our blog evilutionist"

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So you're just crazy in a retard kind of way, huh? Wouldn't matter to me if you did do violence on someone. I ain't scared of shit. You're just a humped-over retard, seems to me. I'm just kiddin'. Welcome to our humble home, Buddy.

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

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Posted: Jan. 24 2012,16:53

Joe adds his disproof of common descent to the ID literature:

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Trees are nested hierarchies and my dad’s genes do not consist of nor contain my genes.

Insightful.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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Posted: Jan. 24 2012,16:53

Quote (Soapy Sam @ Jan. 22 2012,05:53)

Greetings, earthlings.

Let it be known that what is and isn't observable, by definitional fiat, must on that grounds alone (and with clear regard to the hidden agendas of those who would hoodwink us to think otherwise) be dismissed as beyond the remit of a priori materialistic investigation. This is verified as true by the massively empirically confirmed and warranted operation of design in the observable here-and-now. 500+ bits of dFCSI cannot be produced by stochastic means, though you can get a shave and a haircut for 2.

And BTW ID is not anti-evohlution. Just me. Liar. No, you're a liar.

Sorry, just coming up for air!

well come

i'll be fucked they are still making new ones

Rich has pointed out something very interesting. The longer that Gordon E Mullings of Manjack Heights, Montserrat (also known as kairofocus and GEM of TKI among a litany of less flattering noms de plume) has steadied the helm of this tardship, the more his behavior has converged upon those previous stalwart captains, Davetard and Harry Barrington.

Is this behavioral selection or psychological frontloading? People with a lot more time than things to do are dying to know!

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

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Posted: Jan. 24 2012,17:23

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Jan. 24 2012,16:53)

Joe adds his disproof of common descent to the ID literature:

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Trees are nested hierarchies and my dad’s genes do not consist of nor contain my genes.

Insightful.

Hey Joe, where exactly did the DNA that was in the sperm that made you come from*?

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* I'm not sure I want to know the answer, but clinically it would be very interesting if a hag-fish successfully mated with a human female.

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Posted: Jan. 24 2012,17:40

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Jan. 24 2012,15:05)

Quote (Kattarina98 @ Jan. 24 2012,14:31)

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Jan. 23 2012,20:13)

Quote (OgreMkV @ Jan. 23 2012,09:45)

You know what we ought to do. We ought to start an ID board that actually talks about ID, presents coherent arguments, etc. We could drive visitors from UD to our site.

We'd become the biggest pro-ID site in the world.

Then, we tell everyone that, after all this time, we haven't actually found any evidence for ID and therefore must abandon it as a hypothesis.

The ultimate in sock puppetry... a whole puppet website.

This site was sooo wrong! In the banner, you need to put a crucifix, blending smartly over into something sciencey.

Like something blending self-flagellation and flagella. Good thought.

Edit: I know, it's the wrong flagellum, but I got bored with their poster bacterium.

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Posted: Jan. 24 2012,20:33

Quote (Kattarina98 @ Jan. 24 2012,18:40)

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Jan. 24 2012,15:05)

Quote (Kattarina98 @ Jan. 24 2012,14:31)

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Jan. 23 2012,20:13)

Quote (OgreMkV @ Jan. 23 2012,09:45)

You know what we ought to do. We ought to start an ID board that actually talks about ID, presents coherent arguments, etc. We could drive visitors from UD to our site.

We'd become the biggest pro-ID site in the world.

Then, we tell everyone that, after all this time, we haven't actually found any evidence for ID and therefore must abandon it as a hypothesis.

The ultimate in sock puppetry... a whole puppet website.

This site was sooo wrong! In the banner, you need to put a crucifix, blending smartly over into something sciencey.

Like something blending self-flagellation and flagella. Good thought.

Edit: I know, it's the wrong flagellum, but I got bored with their poster bacterium.

Perfect.

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Posted: Jan. 24 2012,20:37

Quote (Kattarina98 @ Jan. 24 2012,13:20)

Welcome, eigenstate!
Thanks for making me think and learn over at UD.

You do realise that the administrators of UD patrol our forum and check for familiar names, earmarking them for blocking?

Hi Kattarina98,

Yeah, I'm aware. Been lurking/reading there and here since the early days of DaveScott. I know how creationist "moderators" are, and have lots of experience with that elsewhere.

If there are useful things to learn at UD, it's not the power of dFSCI, but rather the dynamics of ID as an activist movement. There is no way to be pandering, obsequious or servile enough in one's *style* to protect one from bannination for being a critic offering critques. So, while I'm all in favor of focusing on the ideas and concepts, and not getting bogged down in personalities and ad hom, trying to please the mods at UD is futile, and it debases you in the process.

So, just planning on talking about topics I'm interested and know a little about. That's enough to get me banned, eventually, I know. "Diffaxial", among many others, provided a clear case that trying to mind p's and q's and be extra, super polite can't save you. Only ceasing or watering down your criticism will appease the gods of UD.

I don't worry about it. I expect hypocrisy, abuse, bannination, eventually, no matter how grown-up I behave. Why should my case be different?

Thanks for the heads up, though. If the UD gods want to indulge their spite as a result of reading this, that will be no less petty than what eventually gets me censored if I'd stayed away from here out of fear. This way, I can skip the fear and worrying part. Better that way!

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Posted: Jan. 24 2012,20:41

Quote (eigenstate @ Jan. 24 2012,21:37)

So, just planning on talking about topics I'm interested and know a little about. That's enough to get me banned, eventually, I know. "Diffaxial", among many others, provided a clear case that trying to mind p's and q's and be extra, super polite can't save you.

May I rest in peace.

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Posted: Jan. 25 2012,02:00

Speaking of bannination, did Peter Griffin get the axe?

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Posted: Jan. 25 2012,02:44

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Speaking of bannination, did Peter Griffin get the axe?

Not sure. I have to say, the way arguments leap from topic to topic to escape those scrolling off the bottom of the attention-span reminds me of the real (ie the cartoon) Peter's fight with the giant chicken! :)

Information! Blat Bam Pow
Nested Hierarchy! Smack Wallop
Common Descent! Thud Thump
Disconnected sequence space! Bop Biff Bash

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Posted: Jan. 25 2012,03:36

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Jan. 24 2012,05:52)

Somebody's picking up bad habits from the IDC crowd.

On that site there's a link to "Fossils.me", and here's something I found there:

creationist tard

Hmm, I wonder if boiled trilobite was served at the last supper?

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Posted: Jan. 25 2012,03:43

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Jan. 24 2012,14:53)

Quote (Soapy Sam @ Jan. 22 2012,05:53)

Greetings, earthlings.

Let it be known that what is and isn't observable, by definitional fiat, must on that grounds alone (and with clear regard to the hidden agendas of those who would hoodwink us to think otherwise) be dismissed as beyond the remit of a priori materialistic investigation. This is verified as true by the massively empirically confirmed and warranted operation of design in the observable here-and-now. 500+ bits of dFCSI cannot be produced by stochastic means, though you can get a shave and a haircut for 2.

And BTW ID is not anti-evohlution. Just me. Liar. No, you're a liar.

Sorry, just coming up for air!

well come

i'll be fucked they are still making new ones

Rich has pointed out something very interesting. The longer that Gordon E Mullings of Manjack Heights, Montserrat (also known as kairofocus and GEM of TKI among a litany of less flattering noms de plume) has steadied the helm of this tardship, the more his behavior has converged upon those previous stalwart captains, Davetard and Harry Barrington.

Is this behavioral selection or psychological frontloading? People with a lot more time than things to do are dying to know!

More like pant loading.

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Posted: Jan. 25 2012,06:53

Joe:

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BTW it does appear that living things have a vital force as there isn’t any evidence that they are reducible to matter, energy, chance and necessity.

Link.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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Posted: Jan. 25 2012,07:52

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Jan. 25 2012,06:53)

Joe:

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BTW it does appear that living things have a vital force as there isn’t any evidence that they are reducible to matter, energy, chance and necessity.

Link.

So now we have gpuccio, Atheistoclast = Joe Bozorgmehr, and Joe. Isn't it about time they formed a group complete with a website which engages in hating BioLogos?

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Posted: Jan. 25 2012,08:11

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Jan. 24 2012,16:53)

Joe adds his disproof of common descent to the ID literature:

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Trees are nested hierarchies and my dad’s genes do not consist of nor contain my genes.

Insightful.

But Joe does contain the pool boy's genes (even though his parents don't own a swimming pool). Must have been horizontal transfer.

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Posted: Jan. 25 2012,08:14

Quote (The whole truth @ Jan. 25 2012,03:36)

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Jan. 24 2012,05:52)

Somebody's picking up bad habits from the IDC crowd.

On that site there's a link to "Fossils.me", and here's something I found there:

creationist tard

Hmm, I wonder if boiled trilobite was served at the last supper?

How Are Rocks Dated?

Use a conversation starter, such as "You look Gneiss."

I should NOT have said that.

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Posted: Jan. 25 2012,08:18

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Jan. 25 2012,06:53)

Joe:

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BTW it does appear that living things have a vital force as there isn’t any evidence that they are reducible to matter, energy, chance and necessity.

Link.

Heh,

He stole that from me while stalking me over at Scientopia. That was the philosophical discussion that we had over there.

Indeed, one of the prime questions was "Do living things have some character that is more than the sum of the parts?"

It was an interesting discussion until Wah-boy Joe showed up.

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Posted: Jan. 25 2012,09:06

Quote (eigenstate @ Jan. 24 2012,21:37)

Quote (Kattarina98 @ Jan. 24 2012,13:20)

Welcome, eigenstate!
Thanks for making me think and learn over at UD.

You do realise that the administrators of UD patrol our forum and check for familiar names, earmarking them for blocking?

Hi Kattarina98,

Yeah, I'm aware. Been lurking/reading there and here since the early days of DaveScott. I know how creationist "moderators" are, and have lots of experience with that elsewhere.

If there are useful things to learn at UD, it's not the power of dFSCI, but rather the dynamics of ID as an activist movement. There is no way to be pandering, obsequious or servile enough in one's *style* to protect one from bannination for being a critic offering critques. So, while I'm all in favor of focusing on the ideas and concepts, and not getting bogged down in personalities and ad hom, trying to please the mods at UD is futile, and it debases you in the process.

So, just planning on talking about topics I'm interested and know a little about. That's enough to get me banned, eventually, I know. "Diffaxial", among many others, provided a clear case that trying to mind p's and q's and be extra, super polite can't save you. Only ceasing or watering down your criticism will appease the gods of UD.

I don't worry about it. I expect hypocrisy, abuse, bannination, eventually, no matter how grown-up I behave. Why should my case be different?

Thanks for the heads up, though. If the UD gods want to indulge their spite as a result of reading this, that will be no less petty than what eventually gets me censored if I'd stayed away from here out of fear. This way, I can skip the fear and worrying part. Better that way!

this

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

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Posted: Jan. 25 2012,09:08

Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ Jan. 25 2012,09:11)

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Jan. 24 2012,16:53)

Joe adds his disproof of common descent to the ID literature:

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Trees are nested hierarchies and my dad’s genes do not consist of nor contain my genes.

Insightful.

But Joe does contain the pool boy's genes (even though his parents don't own a swimming pool). Must have been horizontal transfer. :O

rear transfer

those stains are all breach fertilized

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

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Posted: Jan. 25 2012,09:29

gpuccio

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Elizabeth:

You are free to think as you like, but believe me, your position in this case is neither acceptable nor fair. It is very much similar to accusing coloured people in the sixties of being paranoic for believing they were not treated fairly.

Wait, what?

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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Posted: Jan. 25 2012,10:02

Quote (Kattarina98 @ Jan. 24 2012,23:40)

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Jan. 24 2012,15:05)

Quote (Kattarina98 @ Jan. 24 2012,14:31)

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Jan. 23 2012,20:13)

Quote (OgreMkV @ Jan. 23 2012,09:45)

You know what we ought to do. We ought to start an ID board that actually talks about ID, presents coherent arguments, etc. We could drive visitors from UD to our site.

We'd become the biggest pro-ID site in the world.

Then, we tell everyone that, after all this time, we haven't actually found any evidence for ID and therefore must abandon it as a hypothesis.

The ultimate in sock puppetry... a whole puppet website.

This site was sooo wrong! In the banner, you need to put a crucifix, blending smartly over into something sciencey.

Like something blending self-flagellation and flagella. Good thought.

Edit: I know, it's the wrong flagellum, but I got bored with their poster bacterium.

K

I'm in love!

Infinitely better than my weak attempt to do something on the flagella theme far away and in happier times.

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Posted: Jan. 25 2012,14:30

champignon summarizes the core failings of CSI succinctly:

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As promised, my reasons for rejecting CSI (and dFSCI and Chi_500, which are really the same) as a reliable indicator of design:

1. CSI is based on the probability of finding a target by blind search. Evolution does not work that way.

2. CSI assumes there is a specific target with a specific function. Evolution doesn’t aim at specific targets. Any variation that improves fitness will be favored by natural selection, regardless of what its function is. Whatever works, works as far as evolution is concerned.

3. CSI assumes that design is the default. In other words, if “chance and necessity” can’t be demonstrated, in detail, for a particular phenomenon, then Dembski claims that we are entitled to assume design by default.

4. Dembski glosses over the fact that if he wants CSI to definitively indicate design, what he calls “the chance hypothesis” has to encompass far more than mere blind search. It has to include all non-design ways in which the phenomenon in question could have arisen. He is not entitled to assume, for example, that evolution could not have produced the phenomenon. That, after all, is the very question that CSI is supposed to help us answer!

It’s quite pitiful, when you think about it. Ever since Darwin, people have tried to argue that “X is really, really complicated; I’ll bet it couldn’t have evolved.” CSI was supposed to give us a reliable way of identifying design. Instead, Dembski has simply defined CSI to stand in for “really, really complicated” in that ‘argument’, where “really complicated” means “couldn’t have been found by blind search.” Well, duh. The real question, both before Dembski and after, is “could it have evolved”?

CSI (and dFSCI and Chi_500) have changed nothing.

I know a number of people, particularly here and on the Panda's Thumb, have spent a great deal of time refuting Dembski's nonsense in detail, and those refutations are important. However, this is one of the few times I've seen it written in words small enough for the typical UD denizen to comprehend. Not that they will comprehend it, but they could.

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Posted: Jan. 25 2012,15:04

gpuccio complains about Lehigh's Behe disclaimer:

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Those disclaimers were for me one of the meanest things I have ever witnessed.

Really? You must lead a sheltered life, gpuccio. (I note in passing that you have implicitly admitted to never reading anything kairosfocus writes.)

Here's the disclaimer from Lehigh'ss website:

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Department Position on Evolution and "Intelligent Design"

The faculty in the Department of Biological Sciences is committed to the highest standards of scientific integrity and academic function. This commitment carries with it unwavering support for academic freedom and the free exchange of ideas. It also demands the utmost respect for the scientific method, integrity in the conduct of research, and recognition that the validity of any scientific model comes only as a result of rational hypothesis testing, sound experimentation, and findings that can be replicated by others.

The department faculty, then, are unequivocal in their support of evolutionary theory, which has its roots in the seminal work of Charles Darwin and has been supported by findings accumulated over 140 years. The sole dissenter from this position, Prof. Michael Behe, is a well-known proponent of "intelligent design." While we respect Prof. Behe's right to express his views, they are his alone and are in no way endorsed by the department. It is our collective position that intelligent design has no basis in science, has not been tested experimentally, and should not be regarded as scientific.

That's not mean, that's a simple statement of fact.

Here are some more statements of fact for you, gpuccio: Intelligent design creationism is a failed fraudulent attempt to work around the constitutional prohibitions against teaching religious beliefs in public school science classes. There has never been a scientific hypothesis for intelligent design creationism, it has never generated any testable predictions, and even a Christian judge with no scientific training could easily see that it is a political ploy, not a scientific endeavor. The only people still pushing this ridiculous concept are the disingenous members of the Discovery Institute who are looking for a meal ticket, their equally mendacious Dominionist backers, and a double handful of morons, psychopaths, and mental defectives inhabiting Uncommon Descent.

After the Bar Closes exists not to refute the nonsense being propagated by scientific illiterates such as yourself and the other regulars at UD, but to laugh at you. Ridicule is the only rational response to dangerous fools who are attempting to destroy science education in this country. When your political power is as spent as your meager intellectual capital, we can move on to simply ignoring you.

Do you still think Lehigh's disclaimer is mean?

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Posted: Jan. 25 2012,16:50

from what i hear from my friends associated with the joint everyone stays away from him and he is happy with that. you gotta wonder though if Behe ever wishes he had the balls to go full on fundietard, Fluds and Talking Snakes and all that. IT must suck to be a victim of your own dumbassery

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

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I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

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Posted: Jan. 25 2012,17:10

BTW: I'm taking on some additional paid work, so I can't do the website. it would be fun, but being paid is more important right now.

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