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N.Wells Posts: 1836 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2018,18:00    My apologies if I missed a mention of this, but there is an absolutely precious bit of prose over at Larry Moran's Sandwalk, at http://sandwalk.blogspot.com/2018.......9312735 : Larry posted an essay on the Dunning-Kruger effect, and the infamous Robert Byers immediately pontificated: Quote I agree with this whole concept. i think about it in origin issues and other issues of mankind. Yet i don't think its complicated. ............ Less intelligent people are more sure complicated things are easy to understand and less able to see errors and errors in their own thinking. One could stop right there and have sufficient cause to smile for a week. But he continues in a second post: Quote I know enough and quite a lot about the main points of evoltionary biology. i learn things , great and small, like learning from this blog about random drift being a prioriity/or important in evolution as opposed to histircial conclusions on natural selection alone working on mutations. That would not be in the public domaine and so i know more then the average educated public. I also know YEC/ID ideass which brings in more awareness of evolutionary ideas. I deny I lecture experts. Nobody wants that tag. Whats an expert? where is the experts? a expert is just someone with knowledge in their subject and a complete knowledge. anyone can master the conclusions from experts as they write them down. so anyone can think about them and take them on. i address only certain conclusions and yES am intellectually confident . No excuse for thinking i know my tuff and can correct error. Your thread was about people in thev weong more likely to be slow to correct their error or recognize it. one could also be in the right and more likely know they are in the right after dealing with contentions for a long time. its a curve on intelligence. Its more then knowing the subject. I couldn't write a better parody if I tried.

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 23 2018,19:57    Do, or do not. There is no try.

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 24 2018,10:09    JVL is taking apart Mullings, Tribune7, batshitcrazy77 and ET (Joke) over at the Materialist almost got it thread. It must be time for JVL to be disappeared. Link

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 24 2018,14:13    Quote (N.Wells @ Mar. 23 2018,19:00) My apologies if if missed a mention of this, but there is an absolutely precious bit of prose over at Larry Moran's Sandwalk, at http://sandwalk.blogspot.com/2018.......9312735 : Larry posted an essay on the Dunning-Kruger effect, and the infamous Robert Byers immediately pontificated: Quote I agree with this whole concept. i think about it in origin issues and other issues of mankind. Yet i don't think its complicated. ............ Less intelligent people are more sure complicated things are easy to understand and less able to see errors and errors in their own thinking. One could stop right there and have sufficient cause to smile for a week. But he continues in a second post: Quote I know enough and quite a lot about the main points of evoltionary biology. i learn things , great and small, like learning from this blog about random drift being a prioriity/or important in evolution as opposed to histircial conclusions on natural selection alone working on mutations. That would not be in the public domaine and so i know more then the average educated public. I also know YEC/ID ideass which brings in more awareness of evolutionary ideas. I deny I lecture experts. Nobody wants that tag. Whats an expert? where is the experts? a expert is just someone with knowledge in their subject and a complete knowledge. anyone can master the conclusions from experts as they write them down. so anyone can think about them and take them on. i address only certain conclusions and yES am intellectually confident . No excuse for thinking i know my tuff and can correct error. Your thread was about people in thev weong more likely to be slow to correct their error or recognize it. one could also be in the right and more likely know they are in the right after dealing with contentions for a long time. its a curve on intelligence. Its more then knowing the subject. I couldn't write a better parody if I tried. I saw that and it blew my doors. That was marvelous.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 24 2018,14:18    Quote (Bob O'H @ Mar. 21 2018,09:49) Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Mar. 20 2018,17:46) Quote (KevinB @ Mar. 20 2018,17:42)   Quote (k.e.. @ Mar. 20 2018,07:56)     Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 19 2018,20:17)       Quote 2 AveryMMarch 19, 2018 at 3:43 am Will climate change really matter if ocean pollution renders sea life extinct anyway? Pfft. Like Jesus is gonna let that happen. Yeah but Mr Mullins of Manjack Heights in some slum on Montserrat  is trying to prevent the sale of Caribbean beachfront properties in Siberia. So he doesn't agree with the agitated propaganda of the anti anti global warming movement. Sorry I know brains and UD don't belong in the same room. Dealing with the leading lights at UD would need a cookery book with a good chapter of offal recipes. No, I’m pretty sure that it would be a vegan cookbook. Eh? I donm't think vegans would want to eat red herrings, fried or otherwise. Strawmen are vegan.

Texas Teach Posts: 2084 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 24 2018,14:28    Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 24 2018,14:18) Quote (Bob O'H @ Mar. 21 2018,09:49) Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Mar. 20 2018,17:46)   Quote (KevinB @ Mar. 20 2018,17:42)   Quote (k.e.. @ Mar. 20 2018,07:56)       Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 19 2018,20:17)       Quote 2 AveryMMarch 19, 2018 at 3:43 am Will climate change really matter if ocean pollution renders sea life extinct anyway? Pfft. Like Jesus is gonna let that happen. Yeah but Mr Mullins of Manjack Heights in some slum on Montserrat  is trying to prevent the sale of Caribbean beachfront properties in Siberia. So he doesn't agree with the agitated propaganda of the anti anti global warming movement. Sorry I know brains and UD don't belong in the same room. Dealing with the leading lights at UD would need a cookery book with a good chapter of offal recipes. No, I’m pretty sure that it would be a vegan cookbook. Eh? I donm't think vegans would want to eat red herrings, fried or otherwise. Strawmen are vegan. What about oil of ad hominem?  Is that animal or vegetable based? -------------- "Creationists think everything Genesis says is true. I don't even think Phil Collins is a good drummer." --J. Carr "I suspect that the English grammar books where you live are outdated" --G. Gaulin

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 24 2018,20:52    Quote (Texas Teach @ Mar. 24 2018,22:28) Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 24 2018,14:18) Quote (Bob O'H @ Mar. 21 2018,09:49)   Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Mar. 20 2018,17:46)   Quote (KevinB @ Mar. 20 2018,17:42)     Quote (k.e.. @ Mar. 20 2018,07:56)       Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 19 2018,20:17)         Quote 2 AveryMMarch 19, 2018 at 3:43 am Will climate change really matter if ocean pollution renders sea life extinct anyway? Pfft. Like Jesus is gonna let that happen. Yeah but Mr Mullins of Manjack Heights in some slum on Montserrat  is trying to prevent the sale of Caribbean beachfront properties in Siberia. So he doesn't agree with the agitated propaganda of the anti anti global warming movement. Sorry I know brains and UD don't belong in the same room. Dealing with the leading lights at UD would need a cookery book with a good chapter of offal recipes. No, I’m pretty sure that it would be a vegan cookbook. Eh? I donm't think vegans would want to eat red herrings, fried or otherwise. Strawmen are vegan. What about oil of ad hominem?  Is that animal or vegetable based? Ha that's Montserrat's biggest export, it's collected on Sundays by Karios Focus at his 35 seat neighborhood chappel from his congregation of sinning market stall holders. It's raw state is the leftovers from back yard rum production. It's turned from vegetable state to animal state overnight by Mullings. Then it's piped directly to his internet tin can and string link. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 25 2018,14:16    Quote 9 jdkMarch 24, 2018 at 8:47 pm But Johnson had his own faith commitments, for what that’s worth. From a speech by Johnson in Kansas City in 2001: Quote We founded a movement called the Intelligent Design movement in order to explore and explain the evidence which actually does point towards the need for a designer, for a Creator, in the origin of life and its growth to complexity. …They [“the people of God” – both Protestants and Catholics] all have the need to understand whether there really is a Creator who brought about life and all its variety, or whether blind, purposeless, unassisted nature was able to do the whole job. This is a way of phrasing the issue that ought to bring together Protestants of different views, young-earth believers in the scriptures, old-earthers who interpret Genesis differently, even the people who take the whole thing allegorically. Again, they should have a common interest in the issue. In the beginning was the Word – in the beginning God created: true or false.“ linky

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2018,09:23    Lewontin!! El Linko -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2018,10:53    Here are the most recent posts by UD regulars, other than News's aggregator posts. How Some Materialists are Blinded by Their Faith Commitments A Materialist Gets It (Almost) From Philip Cunningham: Copernican Principle, Agent Causality, and Jesus Christ as the “Theory of Everything” Strawson Attacks the Great Silliness The Universe Hawking Created from Nothing With all of the science going on over there, I don't know how they get the time to look after their children.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2018,11:13    Scientists' fundamental processes are to learn, take observations, do experiments, publish data, judge and refine hypotheses, etc. ID Creationists type blog posts. Poorly.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2018,11:17    Quote 263 JVLMarch 26, 2018 at 7:56 am ET Nonsense. No one knows if they are plausible And yes I have read Yarus and the follow up papers. They do not apply to biological life They cannot make their case so who cares? They don’t have any science so who cares? Forgive me if I put a certain amount of trust in working, publishing, research scientists who are confirming each other’s work and building upon it year after year after year. I’m happy to consider some peer-reviewed published research that suggests otherwise. linky

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2018,11:19    Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 26 2018,11:13) Scientists' fundamental processes are to learn, take observations, do experiments, publish data, judge and refine hypotheses, etc. ID Creationists type blog posts. Poorly. But it certainly provides an absurd and hilarious type of entertainment. Much like Monty Python. I find the comments of Barry, Mullings, WJM and Batshitcrazy77 much more entertaining if you read them in an English accent. Try picturing in your mind John Cleese reading Mullings comments in his English professor persona. You will never read Mullings the same way again.

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2018,11:25    Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 26 2018,11:17) Quote 263 JVLMarch 26, 2018 at 7:56 am ET Nonsense. No one knows if they are plausible And yes I have read Yarus and the follow up papers. They do not apply to biological life They cannot make their case so who cares? They don’t have any science so who cares? Forgive me if I put a certain amount of trust in working, publishing, research scientists who are confirming each other’s work and building upon it year after year after year. I’m happy to consider some peer-reviewed published research that suggests otherwise. linky I preferred this one from the same thread: Barry: Quote Allan and Bob: I here quote WJM’s question above. "Regarding cellular machinery: if we landed on a planet in a different star system, and on an otherwise barren planet we found a massive, self-sustaining and self-replicating metallic machine comprised mainly of alloyed materials found nowhere else on the planet other than as a material manufactured by the machine for it’s own duplication and repair, what would be the materialist’s reaction? Further, what if the machine was run by a library of code and a code-processing system?" Would they accept the machine as evidence of non-human intelligent design? How would you answer it? Allan Keith: Quote Barry@32, after making sure that my blaster and light saber were fully charged, I would contact the rebel alliance and ask for back up.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2018,12:12

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2018,12:13    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Mar. 26 2018,12:19) But it certainly provides an absurd and hilarious type of entertainment. Oh i can't leave it behind. ID Creationism is the deepest well of Dunning Kruger the world has ever seen.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2018,16:36    i would almost get a UD sock just to go promote this at UD: Ohio Republicans want to give abortion docs death penalty.

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2018,17:23    Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 26 2018,16:36) i would almost get a UD sock just to go promote this at UD: Ohio Republicans want to give abortion docs death penalty. Mullings must be having a wet dream.

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2018,17:27    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Mar. 26 2018,09:19) Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 26 2018,11:13) Scientists' fundamental processes are to learn, take observations, do experiments, publish data, judge and refine hypotheses, etc. ID Creationists type blog posts. Poorly. But it certainly provides an absurd and hilarious type of entertainment. Much like Monty Python. I find the comments of Barry, Mullings, WJM and Batshitcrazy77 much more entertaining if you read them in an English accent. Try picturing in your mind John Cleese reading Mullings comments in his English professor persona. You will never read Mullings the same way again. The comments of Barry, in particular, are much improved if you imagine them spoken by Elmer Fudd. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2018,17:35    Quote (JohnW @ Mar. 26 2018,17:27) Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Mar. 26 2018,09:19) Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 26 2018,11:13) Scientists' fundamental processes are to learn, take observations, do experiments, publish data, judge and refine hypotheses, etc. ID Creationists type blog posts. Poorly. But it certainly provides an absurd and hilarious type of entertainment. Much like Monty Python. I find the comments of Barry, Mullings, WJM and Batshitcrazy77 much more entertaining if you read them in an English accent. Try picturing in your mind John Cleese reading Mullings comments in his English professor persona. You will never read Mullings the same way again. The comments of Barry, in particular, are much improved if you imagine them spoken by Elmer Fudd. And Joe/ET as Sylvester puts it all in perspective.

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2018,17:43    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Mar. 26 2018,15:35) Quote (JohnW @ Mar. 26 2018,17:27) Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Mar. 26 2018,09:19)   Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 26 2018,11:13) Scientists' fundamental processes are to learn, take observations, do experiments, publish data, judge and refine hypotheses, etc. ID Creationists type blog posts. Poorly. But it certainly provides an absurd and hilarious type of entertainment. Much like Monty Python. I find the comments of Barry, Mullings, WJM and Batshitcrazy77 much more entertaining if you read them in an English accent. Try picturing in your mind John Cleese reading Mullings comments in his English professor persona. You will never read Mullings the same way again. The comments of Barry, in particular, are much improved if you imagine them spoken by Elmer Fudd. And Joe/ET as Sylvester puts it all in perspective. Joe's more like Donald Duck.  Or, now I think of it, an actual duck.  Most of his witterings could be replaced with "quack quack quack quaaaack" without significant loss of information. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2018,18:11    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Mar. 26 2018,15:35) Quote (JohnW @ Mar. 26 2018,17:27) Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Mar. 26 2018,09:19)   Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 26 2018,11:13) Scientists' fundamental processes are to learn, take observations, do experiments, publish data, judge and refine hypotheses, etc. ID Creationists type blog posts. Poorly. But it certainly provides an absurd and hilarious type of entertainment. Much like Monty Python. I find the comments of Barry, Mullings, WJM and Batshitcrazy77 much more entertaining if you read them in an English accent. Try picturing in your mind John Cleese reading Mullings comments in his English professor persona. You will never read Mullings the same way again. The comments of Barry, in particular, are much improved if you imagine them spoken by Elmer Fudd. And Joe/ET as Sylvester puts it all in perspective. Joe G? Nope. Yosemite Sam. -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2018,19:13    Quote (fnxtr @ Mar. 27 2018,02:11) Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Mar. 26 2018,15:35) Quote (JohnW @ Mar. 26 2018,17:27)   Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Mar. 26 2018,09:19)   Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 26 2018,11:13) Scientists' fundamental processes are to learn, take observations, do experiments, publish data, judge and refine hypotheses, etc. ID Creationists type blog posts. Poorly. But it certainly provides an absurd and hilarious type of entertainment. Much like Monty Python. I find the comments of Barry, Mullings, WJM and Batshitcrazy77 much more entertaining if you read them in an English accent. Try picturing in your mind John Cleese reading Mullings comments in his English professor persona. You will never read Mullings the same way again. The comments of Barry, in particular, are much improved if you imagine them spoken by Elmer Fudd. And Joe/ET as Sylvester puts it all in perspective. Joe G? Nope. Yosemite Sam. Yosemite Sam......with tourettes. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2018,19:35    Quote (k.e.. @ Mar. 26 2018,19:13) Quote (fnxtr @ Mar. 27 2018,02:11) Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Mar. 26 2018,15:35)   Quote (JohnW @ Mar. 26 2018,17:27)   Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Mar. 26 2018,09:19)     Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 26 2018,11:13) Scientists' fundamental processes are to learn, take observations, do experiments, publish data, judge and refine hypotheses, etc. ID Creationists type blog posts. Poorly. But it certainly provides an absurd and hilarious type of entertainment. Much like Monty Python. I find the comments of Barry, Mullings, WJM and Batshitcrazy77 much more entertaining if you read them in an English accent. Try picturing in your mind John Cleese reading Mullings comments in his English professor persona. You will never read Mullings the same way again. The comments of Barry, in particular, are much improved if you imagine them spoken by Elmer Fudd. And Joe/ET as Sylvester puts it all in perspective. Joe G? Nope. Yosemite Sam. Yosemite Sam......with tourettes. Or Foghorn Leghorn with Tourette’s.

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2018,10:52    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Mar. 27 2018,03:35) Quote (k.e.. @ Mar. 26 2018,19:13) Quote (fnxtr @ Mar. 27 2018,02:11)   Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Mar. 26 2018,15:35)   Quote (JohnW @ Mar. 26 2018,17:27)     Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Mar. 26 2018,09:19)     Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 26 2018,11:13) Scientists' fundamental processes are to learn, take observations, do experiments, publish data, judge and refine hypotheses, etc. ID Creationists type blog posts. Poorly. But it certainly provides an absurd and hilarious type of entertainment. Much like Monty Python. I find the comments of Barry, Mullings, WJM and Batshitcrazy77 much more entertaining if you read them in an English accent. Try picturing in your mind John Cleese reading Mullings comments in his English professor persona. You will never read Mullings the same way again. The comments of Barry, in particular, are much improved if you imagine them spoken by Elmer Fudd. And Joe/ET as Sylvester puts it all in perspective. Joe G? Nope. Yosemite Sam. Yosemite Sam......with tourettes. Or Foghorn Leghorn with Tourette’s. Starring as a fridge mechanic in Tropic Thunder. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2018,17:26    Quote 335 gpuccioMarch 27, 2018 at 3:41 pm EricMH: “@Origenes, yes the question is of proximate and ultimate cause. What I am saying is that if the mind is an algorithm, then the proximate cause of all human artifacts (spaceships) is chance and necessity. You can argue the ultimate cause of the human mind AI is something other than chance and necessity, this mysterious “intelligence”, but then use of the human mind to support the inference to design is circular.” This is the error in your reasoning. The human mind can be an algorithm (at least part of it certainly is), but it is an algorithm operated by a conscious subject. That makes all the difference. It’s like the difference between the demo of a videogame, which goes on algorithmically, and a real play, where a conscious player continuously interacts with the game. So, “the ultimate cause of the human mind AI” and of what it can do that non conscious forms of AI cannot do, is not “mysterious” at all. It’s consciousness, the presence of definite subjective experiences, so little mysterious that we can observe them at all times in ourselves. Gimme a hit offa that crack pipe, G-Puc. Quote 100 EricMHMarch 27, 2018 at 3:28 pm @BA77, thanks for this information. I agree that information has been shown to be something distinct, but there are some nuances that are missed. Information itself is inert, it cannot produce more information. If information exists, then an information creator must also exist. However, since information is inert, then the creator cannot itself be information but something other. Thus, our pantheon of basic substances must expand to not only include information but also this fourth entity that can create information. My personal hypothesis is the human soul is of this fourth variety. Notice that by this formulation the human soul cannot itself be derived from matter (chance + necessity + information), and consequently the dissolution of matter does not entail the dissolution of the soul. as usual, the science goes Fast and Furious at UD.

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 27 2018,22:37    Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 27 2018,15:26) Quote 335 gpuccioMarch 27, 2018 at 3:41 pm EricMH: “@Origenes, yes the question is of proximate and ultimate cause. What I am saying is that if the mind is an algorithm, then the proximate cause of all human artifacts (spaceships) is chance and necessity. You can argue the ultimate cause of the human mind AI is something other than chance and necessity, this mysterious “intelligence”, but then use of the human mind to support the inference to design is circular.” This is the error in your reasoning. The human mind can be an algorithm (at least part of it certainly is), but it is an algorithm operated by a conscious subject. That makes all the difference. It’s like the difference between the demo of a videogame, which goes on algorithmically, and a real play, where a conscious player continuously interacts with the game. So, “the ultimate cause of the human mind AI” and of what it can do that non conscious forms of AI cannot do, is not “mysterious” at all. It’s consciousness, the presence of definite subjective experiences, so little mysterious that we can observe them at all times in ourselves. Gimme a hit offa that crack pipe, G-Puc.   Quote 100 EricMHMarch 27, 2018 at 3:28 pm @BA77, thanks for this information. I agree that information has been shown to be something distinct, but there are some nuances that are missed. Information itself is inert, it cannot produce more information. If information exists, then an information creator must also exist. However, since information is inert, then the creator cannot itself be information but something other. Thus, our pantheon of basic substances must expand to not only include information but also this fourth entity that can create information. My personal hypothesis is the human soul is of this fourth variety. Notice that by this formulation the human soul cannot itself be derived from matter (chance + necessity + information), and consequently the dissolution of matter does not entail the dissolution of the soul. as usual, the science goes Fast and Furious at UD. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

Jkrebs Posts: 590 Joined: Sep. 2004 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 28 2018,20:06    Quote (k.e.. @ Mar. 26 2018,09:23) Lewontin!! El Linko What Lewontin said: some context. link

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 29 2018,05:52    One of the problems with UD is IDing the socks. I've been wondering about TWSYF, but I think this nails it Quote JAD @ 19: You are describing two vastly different cultural environments. One is saturated with Hip Hop lyrics and attitude, the other is not. There are, of course, more factors to consider, such as drug abuse, poverty, poor educational systems, and absent fathers, but Hip Hop culture is the gasoline that keeps the fires raging. It has devastated many poor black communities… including Chicago. It is the very opposite of uplifting music. It is a destroyer of communities. Back in my day it was heavy metal that got all the blame. -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 29 2018,08:33    Did it make the Clear Channel no play list? -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

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