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N.Wells



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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2014,12:00   

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Well, aside from the fact that Kurzweil has been an acknowledged success in a couple of areas and has made a ton of money.
Those are two key differences right there.
That people are likely to know Kurzweil's name is another.

Indeed, that's very true.  But I was intrigued by the similarities in problematic areas.

  
NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2014,12:18   

Oh, they're both loons, no doubt about it.
But Ray is an accomplished loon, who has a life outside of his madness.
Gary, well, not so much.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2014,12:28   

Imagine a Gaulin Synthesizer.

Now imagine the instruction manual.

:(

  
NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2014,12:42   

No kidding.
I've been a synth player since 1970 and I've seen my share of incomprehensible manuals -- things that looked like they were translated from Japanese into Urdu then into Chinese then into Polish then back into Japanese and only then into English.  With no native speakers involved anywhere in the chain.
But a manual written by Gaulin would be far more incomprehensible than that.
Imagine what elements he would consider important to include in a synth?  Oy.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2014,14:31   

Three voices, all generating white noise.

Edited by Woodbine on June 28 2014,20:31

  
N.Wells



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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2014,16:02   

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Three voices, all generating white noise.


Yes, but generated intelligently as a simple K-12 challenge for all, from an emergent, deterministic (self-similar) Markovian process that requires a body (or model platform) with muscles to control, with the ability to take a guess, like where a (hedonic system) salmon, defends their nest full-of young until they die.


Was that white enough?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2014,16:24   

that was pretty good.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 29 2014,14:15   

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Three voices, all generating white noise.

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GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: June 29 2014,18:53   

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From Gary Marcus' review of Kurzweil's book, at The New Yorker, at
http://www.newyorker.com/online.....nd.html

 
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Kurzweil’s critics have not always been kind .... [Doug Hofstadter said] “if you read Ray Kurzweil’s books … what I find is that it’s a very bizarre mixture of ideas that are solid and good with ideas that are crazy. It’s as if you took a lot of very good food and some dog excrement and blended it all up so that you can’t possibly figure out what’s good or bad.”

........... [Kurzweil] offers no references and very little direct evidence.

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Even more disappointing is the fact that Kurzweil never bothers to do what any scientist, especially one trained in computer science, would immediately want to do, which is to build a computer model that instantiated his theory, and then compare the predictions of the model with real human behavior. Does the P.R.T.M. predict anything about human behavior that no other theory has predicted before? Does it give novel insight into any long-standing puzzles in human nature? Kurzweil never tries to find out.

Instead, Kurzweil compares his theory with the physical structure of the brain, hurling a huge amount of neuroanatomy at the reader, and asserting, without a lot of reflection, that it all fits his theory. A recent paper (more controversial than Kurzweil may have realized) claims that the brain is neatly organized into a kind of three-dimensional grid system. Kurzweil happily takes this as evidence that he was right all along, but the fact that the brain is organized doesn’t mean it is organized as Kurzweil suggests. We already knew that the brain is structured, but the real question is what all that structure does, in technical terms. How do the neural mechanisms in the brain map onto the brain’s cognitive mechanisms? Without an understanding of that, Kurzweil’s pointers to neuroanatomy serve more as razzle-dazzle than real evidence for his theory.

The deepest problem is that Kurzweil wants badly to provide a theory of the mind and not just the brain. Of course, the mind is a product of the brain, as Kurzweil well knows, but any theory that seriously engages with what the mind is has to reckon with human psychology—with human behavior and the mental operations that underlie it. Here, Kurzweil seems completely out of his depth. ..... Not a single cognitive psychologist or study is referred to, and he scarcely engages the phenomena that make the human mind so distinctive.

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At the end Kurzweil leaves us with a theory that is generic. Almost anything any creature does could at some level be seen as hierarchical-pattern recognition; that’s why the idea has been around since the late nineteen-fifties. But simply asserting that the mind is a hierarchical-pattern recognizer by itself tells us too little.........


Kurzweil is so confident in his theory that he insists it simply has to be correct. Early in the book, he claims that “the model I have presented is the only possible model that satisfies all the constraints that the research and our thought experiments have established.” ..................

What Kurzweil doesn’t seem to realize is that a whole slew of machines have been programmed to be hierarchical-pattern recognizers, and none of them works all that well ..............


Ultimately Kurzweil is humbled by a challenge that has beset many a great thinker extending far beyond his field—Kurzweil doesn’t know neuroscience as well as he knows artificial intelligence, and doesn’t understand psychology as well as either.


Unlike Kurzweil, Gary seems to be leaving the "very good food" portion out of his presentation, but otherwise there are some instructive similarities going on.

If you demand that all theories be proven to be fact before publishing them then there would be no cognitive theories at all. Not a single one that I know of could ever meet your standards.

If you expect talented geniuses to be as creatively boring as you are then it's no surprise to find you in a forum for mocking and ridiculing the scientific leaders of this century, while believing that the real science leaders are the ones hurling insults in order to influence public school religious politics:

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Kurzweil’s critics have not always been kind; the biologist PZ Myers once wrote, “Ray Kurzweil is a genius. One of the greatest hucksters of the age.”


In cognitive science what matters is how much of a theory makes sense. To be useful to someone searching for the same insight only one of its major predictions needs to hold true.

Ray is now at Google directing work related to the testing of his theory and the theory from others from around the world. And those you laugh at are the intelligent cause of what is shown being created in this very ID'ish cognitive science related illustration I found in an informative article about his theory:


Kurzweil's Pattern-Recognition Theory of Mind

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N.Wells



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(Permalink) Posted: June 29 2014,19:32   

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If you demand that all theories be proven to be fact before publishing them then there would be no cognitive theories at all. Not a single one that I know of could ever meet your standards.

You are putting words in my mouth again.  Those aren't my standards for publication.  

The standards for calling something a theory are that the ideas have exhibited a level of success in passing tests and a level of acceptance that is unlikely to be met in its first publication, so something does not have to rise to the level of a theory to get published.

Those standards are unrelated to standards for publication.  Standards for publication include:
1) Good grammatical prose that is clear and comprehensible.
2) Competent review of previous work on the subject (this is rarely exhaustive these days, but it had nonetheless better be spot on for key points)
3)  Good operational definitions, which among other things show how something can be quantified and measured
4) Clearly stated hypotheses (preferably multiple mutually exclusive hypotheses) if it is the sort of paper that involves hypotheses (papers such as a review paper or a paper announcing a new fossil might not involve new hypotheses, although even those usually do, in one way or another.)
5) Tests for those hypotheses that potentially allow falsifiability of one or more hypotheses, preferably carried out with clearcut results clearly laid out.

Note that you fail miserably on items 1 though 5.

 
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If you expect talented geniuses to be as creatively boring as you are then it's no surprise to find you in a forum for mocking and ridiculing the scientific leaders of this century, while believing that the real science leaders are the ones hurling insults in order to influence public school religious politics:
You aren't a talented genius.  What the heck is "creatively boring"?  (At least it is better than "uncreatively boring".)  Some science is mundane, but the most exciting science is typically very creative.  I suspect you have no idea what I've done in science, so you don't know whether it has been boring or exciting, creative or uncreative: your capability of judging that is suspect, regardless.  


 
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In cognitive science what matters is how much of a theory makes sense. To be useful to someone searching for the same insight only one of its major predictions needs to hold true.
Your standards are very weak: it is certainly desirable when a theory "makes sense", but that assumes that our understanding is adequate, so passing tests is the gold-plated test of a theory, and the more predictions that are met, the better.

 
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Ray is now at Google directing work related to the testing of his theory and the theory from others from around the world.
Yes, and good for him on that.  However, it is clear that while his ideas are exciting, his work would be maximally efficient if focussed by ground-truthing and being based on a solid understanding and rigorous operational definitions, by proposing multiple mutually exclusive hypotheses, and by testing them rigorously.  Criticisms by the expert I cited suggest that Kurzweil is presently taking shortcuts - if he guesses right, he could very quickly get a great breakthrough, but if he guesses wrong and jumps wrongly past several forks in his research, he could waste a lot of time and have a very difficult time finding his way back on track.

You, in comparison, are wrong in your fundamentals and wrong in your chains of logic; your ideas aren't being tested properly, and you don't have good operational definitions.  What you have proposed is largely incoherent, and where it is coherent it varies from being trivially correct to being self-contradictory, to being outright wrong.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 29 2014,21:34   

Quote (N.Wells @ June 29 2014,19:32)
 
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If you demand that all theories be proven to be fact before publishing them then there would be no cognitive theories at all. Not a single one that I know of could ever meet your standards.

You are putting words in my mouth again.  Those aren't my standards for publication.
 
My experience has shown that you reject all theory that does not produce the conclusions you wanted and condemn it for existing.

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If you expect talented geniuses to be as creatively boring as you are then it's no surprise to find you in a forum for mocking and ridiculing the scientific leaders of this century, while believing that the real science leaders are the ones hurling insults in order to influence public school religious politics:
You aren't a talented genius.  What the hell is "creatively boring"?

In your case creatively boring is a swellheaded academic behavior that constantly whines and complains about the creatively awesome.

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In cognitive science what matters is how much of a theory makes sense. To be useful to someone searching for the same insight only one of its major predictions needs to hold true.
Your standards are very weak: it is certainly desirable when a theory "makes sense", but that assumes that our understanding is adequate, so passing tests is the gold-plated test of a theory, and the more predictions that are met, the better.

Study the article I gave you, as well as links and comments that go with it. You are only making an even bigger fool out of yourself and this forum by not knowing what you're talking about.

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Ray is now at Google directing work related to the testing of his theory and the theory from others from around the world.
Yes, and good for him on that.  However, it is clear that while his ideas are exciting, his work would be maximally efficient if focussed by ground-truthing and being based on a solid understanding and rigorous operational definitions, by proposing multiple mutually exclusive hypotheses, and by testing them rigorously.  Criticisms by the expert I cited suggest that Kurzweil is presently taking shortcuts - if he guesses right, he could very quickly get a great breakthrough, but if he guesses wrong and jumps wrongly past several forks in his research, he could waste a lot of time and have a very difficult time finding his way back on track.

Test your own damn cognitive theories, for a change. And by the way your expert's book titled "Kluge: The Haphazard Evolution of the Human Mind" hints at the politics that go along with the review you liked so much:

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A shot across the bow of intelligent design
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http://klugethebook.com/....ook....ook.com


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(Permalink) Posted: June 29 2014,22:08   

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My experience has shown that you reject all theory that does not produce the conclusions you wanted and condemn it for existing.
Your experience is, once again, wrong.  

 
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n your case creatively boring is a swellheaded academic behavior that constantly whines and complains about the creatively awesome.
As we've documented at length, your stuff is creatively awful, not creatively awesome.  It's also horrible English and terrible science.  We have also noted the extreme rarity of substantive responses to critiques on your part: you change the subject, whine, post music videos, and change the subject some more, but you rarely if ever back up your assertions.  You surely would if you could, so the logical conclusion is that you cannot.

 
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Test your own damn cognitive theories, for a change.


If I was a cognitive scientist, I would test theories in that field, but I'm not, so I don't .  I do test theories in my own specialty.  You should do likewise.

I'll have to read the book.  Regardless, his critique of Kurzweil stands on its own, and has absolutely nothing to do with creationism / intelligent design.  (Your use of "intelligent design" is irrelevant to everyone else's use of the phrase.)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 29 2014,23:10   

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If I was a cognitive scientist, I would test theories in that field, but I'm not, so I don't .

Fine, just stay out of the way of real cognitive scientists who like me spend many hours testing their models that test their theories.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 29 2014,23:45   

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If I was a cognitive scientist, I would test theories in that field, but I'm not, so I don't .

Fine, just stay out of the way of real cognitive scientists who like me spend many hours testing their models that test their theories.

1) how is anyone on a Internet forum "in your way"?
2) you are not a real cognitive scientist, you are a loon who can't write a coherent paragraph, and who spends all his energy arguing with people who think he's  an idiot instead of keeping his life in order.
3) you don't test anything, you play with a glorified video game and write sci-fi.
4) you don't have a model, you have a toy that doesn't match reality.
5) you don't have a theory, you have a bunch of assertions.
6) your code doesn't test your ideas.  You don't even have molecules or cells in it ffs.

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N.Wells



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(Permalink) Posted: June 30 2014,00:45   

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real cognitive scientists who like me spend many hours testing their models that test their theories.


Nothing against Woodbine's nice comment, but that's a strong candidate for a POTW award - best hilarity of the month.  

As Texas Teach pointed out, you don't know how to do science, your fundamentals are a mess, you aren't testing anything properly, your mess of verbiage isn't a theory, and your model doesn't test any of your ideas.

However, you do indeed spend a lot of hours on it, time that would be better spent in almost any other way.

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Fine, just stay out of the way

As soon as you stop making wrong assertions that you fail to back up about natural selection, evolution, and basic facts of biology.  (And that's unlikely to happen any time soon.)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 30 2014,04:15   

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...and who spends all his energy arguing with people who think he's  an idiot instead of keeping his life in order.

So says a taxpayer funded parasite who is paid to help rip my life apart, for religious reasons.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 30 2014,04:57   

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3) you don't test anything, you play with a glorified video game and write sci-fi.

I object.  His stupid bug doesn't rise to the level of a video game. There are things in all sorts of video games that have more sophisticated AI than Gary's critter, and often they're just there for atmosphere.  Also, even bad video games can still be amusing.  Nor does his writing deserve the label of "science fiction".  SF usually makes sense, even when it's terrible.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 30 2014,05:01   

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...and who spends all his energy arguing with people who think he's  an idiot instead of keeping his life in order.

So says a taxpayer funded parasite who is paid to help rip my life apart, for religious reasons.

Uh-oh. Whiny child mode engaged.

Gary, Texas Teach is in Texas, you shitwit.  What ripping apart is being done by someone nowhere even near you?  And no, being mean to you on the internet doesn't count.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 30 2014,05:06   

Gary if you don't calm down they're going to throw you out of the library.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 30 2014,06:45   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ June 30 2014,00:10)
Quote (N.Wells @ June 29 2014,22:08)
If I was a cognitive scientist, I would test theories in that field, but I'm not, so I don't .

Fine, just stay out of the way of real cognitive scientists who like me spend many hours testing their models that test their theories.

You might as well say "stay out of the way of real cognitive scientists who like me breathe air".
That's the only similarity between you and real cognitive scientists.
Have you forgotten that you do not use the standard definitions of cognitive science terms?  
That you abuse the concepts that form the foundation and framework of that science?
That, in point of fact, you are not doing science in any sense of the term including the journalistic?

You're a fraud, Gary.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 30 2014,06:51   

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Quote (Texas Teach @ June 29 2014,23:45)
...and who spends all his energy arguing with people who think he's  an idiot instead of keeping his life in order.

So says a taxpayer funded parasite who is paid to help rip my life apart, for religious reasons.

When a weak ad hominem is the best you can muster, you've genuinely lost.
And just for the legal record, one more time, no one is being paid to rip your life apart.
Many, probably most, of us are being paid.
All of us are tearing your absurdist self-promotional notions to shreds.  
The two are not connected in any meaningful sense.

You are the sole reason your life sucks.  Everyone from the Dalai Lama to the crowd here says so.  You are the sole source who disagrees.  Could be you're wrong.
There is no religion in evolutionary theory nor cognitive science, regardless of the religious persuasions or lack thereof in their practitioners.  You are the one who keeps bringing religion into this discussion.
Can you identify any point over the last 370+  pages where anyone has explicitly based a counter to your verbiage on religion?
No?
Well, that's Gary down for lying again.
Same as it ever was.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 30 2014,08:54   

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...and who spends all his energy arguing with people who think he's  an idiot instead of keeping his life in order.

So says a taxpayer funded parasite who is paid to help rip my life apart, for religious reasons.

1) I am tax payer funded,  but mostly by the local property owners in Texas.  Your contribution to the federal funds we receive is fractions of a cent.  I pay far more to my district off my own house than you do, so I outrank you.

2) you seem confused about what a parasite is.  It is not someone who does a job and gets paid for it.  Nor is it someone who relies on actual scientists to get their information about scientific knowledge. One of my jobs is to teach slow children what a parasite is.  Would you like some help with that?  How's $10/hour sound?  I will have to insist on payment upfront, as you've claimed you aren't good for it.

3) I get paid to teach the students in my care.  I do not, sadly, get a stipend to point out how stupid you are.  I do that pro bono.

4) pointing out how dumb your ideas are, how lame your program is, how little you understand science, or how much of a d-bag you are in communicating with others do not cause your life to be ripped apart in any way that is not your responsibility.  You post here.  You lie about me.  You make claims you can't back up.  You pretend to know better than everyone else.  You.

5) you're the only one bringing up religion.  You went over to NCSE and tried to suck up to people that were talking about Adam and Eve.  You are the one who thinks it's desirable to make his ideas compatible with science and religion (hint: not so much) so everyone will love you.  You keep accusing everyone else of having religious motives, while ignoring the fact that both atheists and Christians (and perhaps others I don't know about) are telling you you're full of shit.  I guess you did unite everyone after all.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 30 2014,16:03   

http://phys.org/news....es.html

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(Permalink) Posted: June 30 2014,16:09   

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In cognitive science what matters is how much of a theory makes sense. To be useful to someone searching for the same insight only one of its major predictions needs to hold true.
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ROFLMAO

New funniest statements uttered ever in this thread.
The notion that your "theory" 'makes sense' is beyond belief, for it demonstrably does not.  It is hardly a full step removed from gibberish, the babbling of a moron with zero language skills.
That your "theory" is 'useful', has 'insights' or has any actual scientific predictions at all, let alone one that holds true, is a literally insane claim.

The closest we can come to a prediction from your "theory" is your assertion that 'intelligence' gauges success at various points and, upon finding less than satisfactory results, guesses and subsequently tries a new behavior.
On the basis of that claim we are fully justified in asserting that on the grounds of your own "theory", you do not count as 'intelligent'.  Or else you are getting satisfactory results from your posts.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 30 2014,16:24   

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You went over to NCSE and tried to suck up to people that were talking about Adam and Eve.

Your attempt to make it appear that "chromosome speciation" is a religious concept only helps show your very serious honesty issues and willingness to corrupt science in order to achieve your personal religious agenda.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 30 2014,16:28   

Trolls Gary



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(Permalink) Posted: June 30 2014,16:49   

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Quote (Texas Teach @ June 30 2014,08:54)
You went over to NCSE and tried to suck up to people that were talking about Adam and Eve.

Your attempt to make it appear that "chromosome speciation" is a religious concept only helps show your very serious honesty issues and willingness to corrupt science in order to achieve your personal religious agenda.

Gary, do you ever get even a little embarrassed about projecting your faults onto others? You waded into a religious discussion and tried to pretend you were taking the middle ground.  You did that.  No one forced you (not counting whatever voices you may hear).

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(Permalink) Posted: June 30 2014,17:43   

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Trolls Gary


You better contact the NCSE to organize a protest against what your movement calls "pseudoscience" so that the "creationists" who are responsible for this are immediately purged from science!

P.S. In case what I said is taken seriously: I think Ray Kurzweil is already used to protest from those who think they know it all just because they have some science knowledge and "believe in evolution". He even has magazines publishing misinformation from the same crowd trying to trash his theory and credibility too.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 30 2014,18:06   

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P.S. In case what I said is taken seriously: ...

Oh, trust me on this, Gary.  No one, here or elsewhere, takes what you say seriously.
That's what comes from being such a persistent lunatic for your entire on-line career.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 30 2014,18:19   

http://news.vanderbilt.edu/2011....ologist

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