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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 02 2014,12:14   

Quote (N.Wells @ Aug. 01 2014,21:49)
Now that is downright fascinating: you wrote about something other than your usual heap of nonsense, and it actually contained some decent, readable, comprehensible prose.  There are some errors and some clunky and awkward parts, so there's room for improvement, but compared to your usual multiply mangled sentences you've got whole paragraphs that work decently from the get-go.

There's a lesson in there.

When we imitate gary, we start with a small, comprehensible sentence, and then iteratively fuck it up harder and harder. Looks like maybe that's gary's process too. So when he just writes something once, it's fairly comprehensible.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 02 2014,14:34   

Revision clearly doesn't help him when he's writing about his ideas.  Perhaps when his thinking is screwed up, his English is a mess, and vice versa, so they feed each other - it's like he's mired in quicksand, flailing around, grasping at stray thoughts for help, struggling to get out and only making things worse, except that he's in denial about the quicksand.

Gary, you've mentioned getting your mass spec running before: that's a task that usually merits a good, full-time lab tech.  Providing analyses from a mass spec could be the mainstay of a decent business.  Doing those sorts of things or something like them would have to be more fulfilling and rewarding than wasting your time on a wrong-headed idea that is never going to go anywhere.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 03 2014,00:51   

"Revision" of Gary's verbiage is not unlike rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 03 2014,09:27   

For your Sunday reading enjoyment I way outdid the previous comment, for one that I could include in comments for the auto magazine article:

http://www.underhoodservice.com/think-l....3574839

It's possible that the Disqus system removed comments from its system to this site as spam or users one flagged something there as porn. In case any just need to know this is a test I did from a NCSE blog thread that was already hopelessly long I figured I might as well experiment with the problem in that one, while preparing something for the auto magazine, which also has a Disqus comment section. It was thus just as easy to first post it there, then later after polishing it up (I can edit at any time in case any find something confusing that needs work) post it at the proper NCSE blog article where it should look better with pictures and embedded video (disabled at the auto site) instead of links.

http://ncse.com/blog.......1660055

And:

http://ncse.com/blog....1737375

After adding in just a bit more info and dressing up with a picture that says thousands of words I'll try it again at the NCSE without the link that was contained in both of the mysteriously banished replies.

I hope all in this forum at least agree that the revision was an improvement over what I had a day ago, and I hope that some in this forum do not have as much trouble with automotive tech terminology as they do in other areas..

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NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 03 2014,09:38   

The only one here who has trouble with terminology is you, Gary.
Your abuse of the  word 'learn' in all its forms is a case study in the misuse of terminology.

Your projector is running overtime, and getting more than a bit overheated in the process.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 03 2014,09:42   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Aug. 03 2014,17:27)
For your Sunday reading enjoyment I way outdid the previous comment, for one that I could include in comments for the auto magazine article:

http://www.underhoodservice.com/think-l....3574839

It's possible that the Disqus system removed comments from its system to this site as spam or users one flagged something there as porn. In case any just need to know this is a test I did from a NCSE blog thread that was already hopelessly long I figured I might as well experiment with the problem in that one, while preparing something for the auto magazine, which also has a Disqus comment section. It was thus just as easy to first post it there, then later after polishing it up (I can edit at any time in case any find something confusing that needs work) post it at the proper NCSE blog article where it should look better with pictures and embedded video (disabled at the auto site) instead of links.

http://ncse.com/blog.......1660055

And:

http://ncse.com/blog.......1737375

After adding in just a bit more info and dressing up with a picture that says thousands of words I'll try it again at the NCSE without the link that was contained in both of the mysteriously banished replies.

I hope all in this forum at least agree that the revision was an improvement over what I had a day ago, and I hope that some in this forum do not have as much trouble with automotive tech terminology as they do in other areas..

And still no evidence, no proof and no theory just the unconnected wanderings from an underemployed near bankrupt sign writer with an addled mind and an anti authorty fetish that only he calls Intelligent Design.

The world owes you right Gary?

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 03 2014,10:07   

Gary, there is nothing enjoyable about your verbal excretions.  Well, OK, I will grant you that you do manage to achieve "laughably bad"  fairly consistently.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 03 2014,12:16   

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The world owes you right Gary?

It's your lucky day because I just happened to have indicated that I don't need anything from you either, in the start of the reply to Thomas that took a couple of days for me to write so be honored I thought of you at all during that time:

http://ncse.com/blog.......4439944

Now like it or not rev up your volume to 11 for obligatory Thunderbird music that goes with the ride or be cursed like the Boston Red Sox once were:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....IecwXFg

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 03 2014,12:22   

So what's the learning curve for protein folding?
Or for methylation of DNA?
Or for hydrogen <> oxygen bonding?
Or for the dissociation of H2O?
What's the learning curve for pH equilibrium?

You're useless Gary.
And you continue to misuse, and doubtlessly misunderstand, standard terminology in the fields you parasitize.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 03 2014,13:04   

Quote (NoName @ Aug. 03 2014,12:22)
So what's the learning curve for protein folding?
Or for methylation of DNA?
Or for hydrogen <> oxygen bonding?
Or for the dissociation of H2O?
What's the learning curve for pH equilibrium?

That is all too ridiculous to answer. It's like asking "So what's the gas mileage for an ice-cream cone?" Stop playing with my head please.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 03 2014,13:28   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Aug. 03 2014,14:04)
Quote (NoName @ Aug. 03 2014,12:22)
So what's the learning curve for protein folding?
Or for methylation of DNA?
Or for hydrogen <> oxygen bonding?
Or for the dissociation of H2O?
What's the learning curve for pH equilibrium?

That is all too ridiculous to answer. It's like asking "So what's the gas mileage for an ice-cream cone?" Stop playing with my head please.

But Gary -- no one is insisting that ice cream cones get gas mileage, or provide any form of transportation.
You, on the other hand, continue to insist that you are using the term 'learn' and its variants in the standard fashion, that molecules learn, that learning occurs across all 'levels' of 'intelligence'.
If learning happens, then there's a learning curve.
It is entirely legitimate to challenge you on your worse than absurd claim that molecules learn, that there is more to atomic and molecular behavior than physics and chemistry.
You are not just wrong on this, you are demonstrably, laughably, ludicrously wrong.
Questions such as the above serve to point this out, and seem to be required given that you have neither corrected nor abandoned your erroneous claims.

It's not your head we're playing with Gary -- it's the effluent spewed forth from it that's entirely toy-like.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 03 2014,14:46   

Would you prefer to address the question of motor control in the recognition of a transposed melody?
Or the question of motor control in the creation of a plan?
Or the question of motor control in the crafting of a theory?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 03 2014,15:42   

I have long been asking you for an operational definition of intelligence that includes your concept of intelligence in molecules, so that I can figure out how much intelligence is present in a given molecule: in other words, I want to know what you propose to measure and how you propose to measure it.  That's pretty much what NoName wants, just from a slightly different perspective.  This is not "messing with your head" - it's fundamental.  Until you can answer all those types of questions satisfactorily, you've got nothing (except a waste of electrons).

Without it, your talk of intelligence at molecular levels is exactly tantamount to writing a long and incomprehensible essay about gas mileage of ice cream cones (and how that disproves car journeys).

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 03 2014,17:59   

Quote (N.Wells @ Aug. 03 2014,15:42)
Without it, your talk of intelligence at molecular levels is exactly tantamount to writing a long and incomprehensible essay about gas mileage of ice cream cones (and how that disproves car journeys).

Given how bonkers Gary's writings/thoughts are, can we ever be sure he isn't writing about ice cream cone gas mileage?

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 04 2014,06:55   

Quote (Texas Teach @ Aug. 03 2014,18:59)
Quote (N.Wells @ Aug. 03 2014,15:42)
Without it, your talk of intelligence at molecular levels is exactly tantamount to writing a long and incomprehensible essay about gas mileage of ice cream cones (and how that disproves car journeys).

Given how bonkers Gary's writings/thoughts are, can we ever be sure he isn't writing about ice cream cone gas mileage?

I think we can rightfully ask whether it is a learning disability that prevents ice cream cones from having gas mileage.
Gary is convinced that molecules learn, and what else could prevent the molecules in ice cream from providing motive power than a failure to learn?

Seriously, Gary, this is what happens when you fail to distinguish between the laws of physics and chemistry on the one hand and your assertions of a 'something else' above and beyond them on the other.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 04 2014,08:28   

Quote (NoName @ Aug. 04 2014,14:55)
Quote (Texas Teach @ Aug. 03 2014,18:59)
 
Quote (N.Wells @ Aug. 03 2014,15:42)
Without it, your talk of intelligence at molecular levels is exactly tantamount to writing a long and incomprehensible essay about gas mileage of ice cream cones (and how that disproves car journeys).

Given how bonkers Gary's writings/thoughts are, can we ever be sure he isn't writing about ice cream cone gas mileage?

I think we can rightfully ask whether it is a learning disability that prevents ice cream cones from having gas mileage.
Gary is convinced that molecules learn, and what else could prevent the molecules in ice cream from providing motive power than a failure to learn?

Seriously, Gary, this is what happens when you fail to distinguish between the laws of physics and chemistry on the one hand and your assertions of a 'something else' above and beyond them on the other.

Gary simply doesn't grok physics if he did he would know the energy content of an icecream cone is mc^^2 if he was a chemist he could tell you the joules released if it was burnt. No, what Gary is trying to do is find a non material quality in a physical quantity. A simple and obvious domain confusion from a disordered mind. No rigour or astuteness. Gary is saying the icecream cone contains guile, dogma or reason.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 04 2014,11:56   

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I think we can rightfully ask whether it is a learning disability that prevents ice cream cones from having gas mileage.

If you want gas mileage, eat beans not ice cream.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 04 2014,14:42   

Some folks are getting plenty of mileage out of GinGout's hot air.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 04 2014,14:58   

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Some folks are getting plenty of mileage out of GinGout's hot air.

But it's only good for going around in circles.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 04 2014,16:42   

Quote (JohnW @ Aug. 04 2014,13:58)
Quote (fnxtr @ Aug. 04 2014,12:42)
Some folks are getting plenty of mileage out of GinGout's hot air.

But it's only good for going around in circles.

With lots of epicycles; don't forget those.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 05 2014,01:23   

Quote (N.Wells @ Aug. 03 2014,15:42)
I have long been asking you for an operational definition of intelligence that includes your concept of intelligence in molecules, so that I can figure out how much intelligence is present in a given molecule: in other words, I want to know what you propose to measure and how you propose to measure it.  That's pretty much what NoName wants, just from a slightly different perspective.  This is not "messing with your head" - it's fundamental.  Until you can answer all those types of questions satisfactorily, you've got nothing (except a waste of electrons).

Without it, your talk of intelligence at molecular levels is exactly tantamount to writing a long and incomprehensible essay about gas mileage of ice cream cones (and how that disproves car journeys).

I did not invent the phrase "Molecular Intelligence" and never has it in academia been used to suggest that all molecules are intelligent.

The detail you are asking for is contained the "Introduction – Intelligent Cause, Intelligence" section on page 1. I made it obvious that the entire thing operationally defines Intelligent Cause and Intelligence. It's paragraphs were recently sorted out to better flow as a single operational definition.

This is the pdf with the operational definition you are asking for:

https://sites.google.com/site.......ign.pdf

Or:

Theory Download Page

And for more tech-talk I put almost all my writing time into putting thought into this:

http://ncse.com/blog....7973431

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 05 2014,01:34   

Quote (k.e.. @ Aug. 04 2014,08:28)
Quote (NoName @ Aug. 04 2014,14:55)
 
Quote (Texas Teach @ Aug. 03 2014,18:59)
   
Quote (N.Wells @ Aug. 03 2014,15:42)
Without it, your talk of intelligence at molecular levels is exactly tantamount to writing a long and incomprehensible essay about gas mileage of ice cream cones (and how that disproves car journeys).

Given how bonkers Gary's writings/thoughts are, can we ever be sure he isn't writing about ice cream cone gas mileage?

I think we can rightfully ask whether it is a learning disability that prevents ice cream cones from having gas mileage.
Gary is convinced that molecules learn, and what else could prevent the molecules in ice cream from providing motive power than a failure to learn?

Seriously, Gary, this is what happens when you fail to distinguish between the laws of physics and chemistry on the one hand and your assertions of a 'something else' above and beyond them on the other.

Gary simply doesn't grok physics if he did he would know the energy content of an icecream cone is mc^^2 if he was a chemist he could tell you the joules released if it was burnt. No, what Gary is trying to do is find a non material quality in a physical quantity. A simple and obvious domain confusion from a disordered mind. No rigour or astuteness. Gary is saying the icecream cone contains guile, dogma or reason.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 05 2014,06:58   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Aug. 05 2014,02:23)
   
Quote (N.Wells @ Aug. 03 2014,15:42)
I have long been asking you for an operational definition of intelligence that includes your concept of intelligence in molecules, so that I can figure out how much intelligence is present in a given molecule: in other words, I want to know what you propose to measure and how you propose to measure it.  That's pretty much what NoName wants, just from a slightly different perspective.  This is not "messing with your head" - it's fundamental.  Until you can answer all those types of questions satisfactorily, you've got nothing (except a waste of electrons).

Without it, your talk of intelligence at molecular levels is exactly tantamount to writing a long and incomprehensible essay about gas mileage of ice cream cones (and how that disproves car journeys).

I did not invent the phrase "Molecular Intelligence"


So?  You did not invent the word 'learn' nor its variants.  Yet you use it incorrectly and generally in a manner entirely opposite to its standard meaning.
   
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and never has it in academia been used to suggest that all molecules are intelligent.

So?  Your work is not academic nor is it sourced to academic references.  We have been trying for literally years to get you to clarify what is the scope and precise meaning of your use of the phrase 'molecular intelligence'.
You are no more forthcoming on that topic than you are on the question of just what 'features of the universe' are best explained by 'intelligent cause'.

The most straightforward normal-usage-interpretation of your phrase is that only things made of molecules learn.  This is, as has been pointed out, banal, trivial, and entirely uninformative.  And, as also noted, heretical, just in case you are a theist of some form or other.

Likewise with regard to 'some features of the universe' being best explained by 'intelligent cause'.  On the face of it, the claim is banal, trivial, uninformative and ultimately entirely uninteresting.
In neither case does the standard usage or meaning of the phrases in question provide any launching point for your delusional and ludicrous assertions regarding learning, cause, intelligence, behavior or any of the other facts on the ground that are studied by science.  You not only have no answers, you have no interesting or useful questions.

 
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The detail you are asking for is contained the "Introduction – Intelligent Cause, Intelligence" section on page 1. I made it obvious that the entire thing operationally defines Intelligent Cause and Intelligence. It's paragraphs were recently sorted out to better flow as a single operational definition.

False.  The details we are asking for, the working out of the logical implications of your claims, are most definitely not contained in the set of documents with which you continue to link-spam the thread.

Epic unwin, Gary.  As per usual.

Or, as per one of the implications of your "theory" -- you continue to demonstrate that whatever it is you mean by 'intelligent cause', you are not one, for you do not follow the
[pseudo-]operational flow you lay out in your disagreeable little diagram.

PS.  You really do need to learn the differences between literal, figurative, metaphorical and analogical use of words and phrases.  That the phrase 'molecular intelligence' exists in the literature is not surprising.  That you want to have it both ways, both metaphorical and literal, does not speak any better of your honesty and integrity than any of the rest of your emissions.
You need to justify your use of the phrase, which includes in no small part being precise about what you mean by it.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 05 2014,08:03   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Aug. 05 2014,01:23)
 
Quote (N.Wells @ Aug. 03 2014,15:42)
I have long been asking you for an operational definition of intelligence that includes your concept of intelligence in molecules, so that I can figure out how much intelligence is present in a given molecule: in other words, I want to know what you propose to measure and how you propose to measure it.  That's pretty much what NoName wants, just from a slightly different perspective.  This is not "messing with your head" - it's fundamental.  Until you can answer all those types of questions satisfactorily, you've got nothing (except a waste of electrons).

Without it, your talk of intelligence at molecular levels is exactly tantamount to writing a long and incomprehensible essay about gas mileage of ice cream cones (and how that disproves car journeys).

I did not invent the phrase "Molecular Intelligence" and never has it in academia been used to suggest that all molecules are intelligent.

The detail you are asking for is contained the "Introduction – Intelligent Cause, Intelligence" section on page 1. I made it obvious that the entire thing operationally defines Intelligent Cause and Intelligence. It's paragraphs were recently sorted out to better flow as a single operational definition.

This is the pdf with the operational definition you are asking for:

https://sites.google.com/site.......ign.pdf

Or:

Theory Download Page

And for more tech-talk I put almost all my writing time into putting thought into this:

http://ncse.com/blog.......7973431

I'm well aware that you claim to have an operational definition.  As we've discussed numerous times in the past, unfortunately, this is just an empty assertion on your part.

 
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At all levels the same operational definition for intelligence is an autonomous sensory-feedback (confidence) guided sensor-addressed memory system that through trial-and-error learns new successful actions to be taken in response to environmental conditions. The computer models show this common to all levels intelligence mechanism has four necessary requirements that qualify a system as intelligence. A system has gone from useful but not yet intelligent reflexive protointelligence, to a self-learning intelligence when all four requirements are noticeably met: (1) Something intelligence can control such as motors, muscles, microplasts, self-sustaining metabolism of Krebs Cycle. Coacervates demonstrate uncontrolled molecular (non-intelligent) ionic propulsion, that when controlled produces and powers spinning flagella motors and other forms of locomotion. We can say that coacervates are a twitching body with no brain/intelligence to control it. (2) Sensor addressed memory to store successful motor actions to be taken in response to sensed environmental conditions. Addressable memories include digital RAM chips, RNA, DNA, metabolic pathway temporal memory that recalls the past by levels of sensed molecules in its flow, and synaptic neural networks where data values can be represented as an analog weight. (3) Sensory feedback to gauge failure or success in actions here called “confidence”. In molecular intelligence the confidence levels are gauged as in cybernetics the interdisciplinary study of the structure of regulatory systems, including molecular systems that are required for basic growth and division of cells is in part covered by homeostasis. In the E.coli chemotaxis system confidence level is a “sensory adaptation” that produces one behavior over another according to immediate needs. Also quorum sensing where communication molecules that cells secrete into the environment coordinate their collective actions so they all do the same thing at the same time to meet the needs of the entire population. (4) A guess mechanism to try a new action. Good guesses as in crossover exchange safely controls design variation to produce offspring each different from each other (not clones) and gene level recombination of small conserved domains of self-assembling nuts and bolts that build and motor parts of complex molecular machinery that all together keep living things alive. In watery environment chemotaxis of e.coli a guess in direction is taken by tumbling action produced by briefly switching flagellum motors in reverse direction. In chromosome fusion protective repeats that do not stick together with ends of to chromosomes to splice together are lost which makes them sticky, encouraging new their fusion into one. Digital RAM chips can only address one address location at a time, putting the guess mechanism on the data side, one by one changing data stored at each data location. In a living genome the stored data is always responding by being expressed in parallel, to produce self-assembling protein machinery and communication molecules to other systems helping to control them. Guesses can here also be taken by physically changing addressing location with mobile transposition (jumping genes) mechanism to move to a new location in the memory system.
 

This does not say what to measure or how to measure it, so it is not an operational definition.  There is no standard meaning of intelligence that can include "controlling" the Krebs cycle, and you have not succeeded in redefining it.  1 & 2 exclude some of the highest examples of intelligence, along the lines of composing a melody, planning or evaluating your life, or thinking up an hypothesis and ways to test it.  You'd have a better case for applying these to the first stirrings of intelligence, in animals with rudimentary brains, rather than all of intelligence. As pointed out long ago in this thread, #3 includes things like autofocus mechanisms in cameras and Neato robot vacuum cleaners, while biochemical feedback systems like various forms of taxis are understood as chemical reactions with no place to insert "intelligence": doing so just reduces "intelligence" to an empty label that you plaster all over the place because it makes you feel good.   "Taking guesses" is not a useful addition to the definition of intelligence when it includes random impositions from physics and chemistry.  Etc., etc., etc.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 05 2014,08:07   

N.Wells, what you quoted is not even in the theory I gave you to study.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 05 2014,08:22   

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A behavior qualifies as intelligent behavior by meeting all four circuit requirements for this ability, which are: [1] body (or modeling platform) with motor muscles (proteins, electric speaker, electronic “write” to a screen) to control, [2] memory addressed by sensory sensors where each motor action and its associated confidence value are separate data elements, [3] confidence (central hedonic, homeostasis ) system that increments (stored in memory) confidence value of a successful motor action else decrements the confidence value, [4] guess new memory action when associated confidence level sufficiently decreases (and if not prerandomized motor data then when first addressed). For flagella powered cells reversing motor direction can produce a tumble to a new heading direction, guess where to go.
 So I quoted an earlier version.  The newer version suffers from the same problems and makes some worse.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 05 2014,08:44   

Gary, according to your 'theory' one of the hallmarks of intelligence is the ability to 'take a guess'.

Can you take a guess as to why after almost a decade nobody in the world is showing the slightest bit of interest in your 'theory'?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 05 2014,09:30   

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N.Wells, what you quoted is not even in the theory I gave you to study.

This is what happens when you neither use a versioning system nor indicate which revision of the document you are referencing.
It is not our job to obsessively check for changes every freaking time you post a link to your absurdist document.
That people sometimes use earlier versions of the work is all down to you.
That you treat this as some sort of 'gotcha' merely speaks once again to your lack of honesty and integrity.  Said lack guarantees your absence from the world of science.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 05 2014,11:08   

Quote (NoName @ Aug. 05 2014,09:30)
 
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Aug. 05 2014,09:07)
N.Wells, what you quoted is not even in the theory I gave you to study.

This is what happens when you neither use a versioning system nor indicate which revision of the document you are referencing.
It is not our job to obsessively check for changes every freaking time you post a link to your absurdist document.
That people sometimes use earlier versions of the work is all down to you.
That you treat this as some sort of 'gotcha' merely speaks once again to your lack of honesty and integrity.  Said lack guarantees your absence from the world of science.

His latest version fortunately now has dates in a variety of places, so I made an error that I could have avoided by checking his link rather than assuming that I had the last version.  On the other hand, you are absolutely correct about the grief caused by lots of different versions.  Imagine a world where physicists had to talk about e = mc^x, where x depends on which of dozens of editions of Einstein's paper you happened to be referring to.

If the differences are great enough to be significant, then the "gotcha" is more a discredit to the author than to the reader.  If the science is so awesome, the reader should not have to restudy it from scratch every other month*.

(*Possibly other than dinosaurs :) )

  
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N.Wells, what you quoted is not even in the theory I gave you to study.




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