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Mr_Christopher Posts: 1238 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2008,15:19    Quote a dimwit called FtK wrote: What I am curious about is the accusation of plagerism…is it accurate? Yes virginia, in spite of the lies told by Sal the Slime the kooky kreationist koreans plagerized the article.  Had you learned to read you could have looked at the many documents that have been posted that show side by side comparisons of the creationist article and those they stole from.   FtK can you explain to us why creationists lie? -------------- Uncommon Descent is a moral cesspool, a festering intellectual ghetto that intoxicates and degrades its inhabitants - Stephen Matheson

Paul Flocken Posts: 290 Joined: Dec. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2008,15:33    Quote (Bob O'H @ Feb. 11 2008,14:30) Quote (sparc @ Feb. 11 2008,14:04) I was surprised that DO'L at UD missed it but luckily, one can always count on Sal Cordova. He celebrated the notorius Warda and Han paper on February 8th:   Quote Creationist paper passes peer-review, Darwinist Endosymbiotic theory trashed Obviously this is not enough, later he writes:   Quote I foresaw this event. Yeah, well, he had probably read the originals. Bob Read?  He proofed them. -------------- "The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie--deliberate, contrived, and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.  Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought."-John F. Kennedy

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2008,18:28    Quote (Annyday @ Feb. 11 2008,15:24) Sal's gloating about God killin' atheists and proof of God's existence again. Also: everyone Sal mentions seems to have three PhDs. Heheheh. THAT post is psychotic.     Quote What would it take to make belief in God much more accessible? What would make it believable beyond resonable doubt? Well how about hearing the voice of God as we hear human voices and then seeing His Word in action. For example, when Madalyn Murray O’Hair was ranting about God on TV, how convincing it would have been if God was heard by every human being watching, and then O’Hair was killed via gruesome death by divine action (like fire or swords from heaven)? And if every scoffer and atheistic Darwinist who appeared publicly suffered a comparable fate thereafter, that would be pretty convincing. But O’Hair was death was not an obvious act of God such that all would have no doubt. Although for myself, it did give me pause. Once upon a time she was on national TV being asked by the audience what will happen when she dies. She responded, “I’ll rot in my grave.” Then one day, one of her own cronies which she hired decided to kidnap her and dismember her. She was taken apart by a circular saw which looks something like this: And by chance I was watching Court TV not too long ago, and they were showing her dismembered body parts for all to see on National TV! [I think I was having dinner at the time]. They were pulling the pieces out of her grave, and putting her dismembered body parts in plastic bags. The mouth which had spewed out so many vile things had it’s jaw dangling out of place with the leg bone not too far, all rotted, just like she said. Sal, get some help. -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

Hermagoras Posts: 1260 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2008,21:11    I think Sal's got the quote wrong.  He's probably thinking of Bertrand Russell: Quote I believe that when I die I shall rot, and nothing of my ego will survive. -------------- "I am not currently proving that objective morality is true. I did that a long time ago and you missed it." -- StephenB http://paralepsis.blogspot.com/....pot.com

Annyday Posts: 583 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2008,23:02    Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Feb. 11 2008,18:28) THAT post is psychotic. I don't know, more than the rest of it? Sal's been arguing in favor of the sheer maggoty worthlessness of mankind and God's divine and good right to slaughter us in gruesome ways for no reason for a while now. It didn't previously involve circular saws and decomposing bodies on national TV at dinner time, but it's a definite spiritual analogue. -------------- "ALL eight of the "nature" miracles of Jesus could have been accomplished via the electroweak quantum tunneling mechanism. For example, walking on water could be accomplished by directing a neutrino beam created just below Jesus' feet downward." - Frank Tipler, ISCID fellow

Mr_Christopher Posts: 1238 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2008,10:37    Quote A very sick Sal waxed, I recalled what Jesus said will happen to those like O’Hair when he returns Luke 19:27: But as for those enemies of mine who were unwilling that I should become their king, bring them here, and cut them to pieces in my presence.’ …. The Bible teaches that God raises up criminals and killers to do His will. This of course is not a pleasant fact. Read the Old Testament where God has women’s babies ripped out their womb (see Hosea 13:16) and babies dashed to the ground. It makes O’Hair’s death seem only par for the course. Yeah Jesus wanted her to be cut up into small bits.   Sal is a good example of when religious faith becomes a mental illness.  I wonder how long until Sal starts murdering people in the name of god.  He seems to lust for that sort of thing -------------- Uncommon Descent is a moral cesspool, a festering intellectual ghetto that intoxicates and degrades its inhabitants - Stephen Matheson

Albatrossity2 Posts: 2780 Joined: Mar. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2008,15:43    I think that Sal would like to see all of us dead.   Quote Symbolic of this irony was an anecdote in the life of General Joshua Chamberlain, a professor of religion turned soldier, turned medal-of-honor hero at the battle of Gettysburg. On his way to Gettysburg, he passed the body of a dead confederate soldier. Chamberlain wrote of the enemy soldier:    I saw him sitting there gently reclined against the tree . . . this boy of scarcely sixteen summers, His cap had fallen to the ground on one side, his hand resting on his knee. It clasped a little testament opened at some familiar place. He wore the gray. He was my enemy, this boy. He was dead—the boy, my enemy—but I shall see him forever. - Joshua Chamberlain Such is my view of theistic Darwinists. They are well-intentioned, but they are the enemy. And the enemy (such as those at Baylor), are destroying the careers and freedoms of fellow Christians. Wacko. -------------- Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind Has been obligated from the beginning To create an ordered universe As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.                         - Pattiann Rogers

Chayanov Posts: 289 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2008,15:51    I suppose nobody will be surprised when the bodies start turning up. Maybe he's already planning for his insanity plea. -------------- Help! Marxist literary critics are following me!

Annyday Posts: 583 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2008,16:08    I doubt it. Sal's the kind who gladly calls for a lynching and would take pictures if there were one, but could never bring himself to come closer than ten meters. So long as he remains a fringe nut, he's pretty harmless. Just crazy. -------------- "ALL eight of the "nature" miracles of Jesus could have been accomplished via the electroweak quantum tunneling mechanism. For example, walking on water could be accomplished by directing a neutrino beam created just below Jesus' feet downward." - Frank Tipler, ISCID fellow

Albatrossity2 Posts: 2780 Joined: Mar. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2008,17:01    Quote (Annyday @ Feb. 12 2008,16:08) I doubt it. Sal's the kind who gladly calls for a lynching and would take pictures if there were one, but could never bring himself to come closer than ten meters. So long as he remains a fringe nut, he's pretty harmless. Just crazy. I'd agree with that. Just like DS, Sal is a blowhard, prone to blogorrhea rather than action. In fact, I suspect that he writes stuff like this just to raise a ruckus here. It seems very likely that most of the readers of his blog (besides the multiple personalities of JAD) come from the AtBC crowd. Maybe if we could bring ourselves to ignore him for a while; he'd get even more shrill in an attempt to get more attention.   -------------- Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind Has been obligated from the beginning To create an ordered universe As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.                         - Pattiann Rogers

pwe Posts: 46 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 13 2008,02:21    [quote=Albatrossity2,Feb. 12 2008,17:01] Quote (Annyday @ Feb. 12 2008,16:08) In fact, I suspect that he writes stuff like this just to raise a ruckus here. It seems very likely that most of the readers of his blog (besides the multiple personalities of JAD) come from the AtBC crowd. Maybe if we could bring ourselves to ignore him for a while; he'd get even more shrill in an attempt to get more attention.  ;) Good point. But then again -- he makes us laugh, and we need to laugh, so ... - pwe

pwe Posts: 46 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 13 2008,02:25    Quote (Annyday @ Feb. 10 2008,09:42) Sal's posting again. Short version: Darwin was an evil atheist who couldn't do math, God is great, Sal still doesn't understand population genetics or Kimura and proof of creationism and/or God's existence is on its way any day now. These parts of this post were particularly good.   Quote Darwin was a dolt when it came to math. He couldn’t even do high school algebra. This fact seems not to mean much to Mark Chu-Carrol of the Darwinist weblog “Good math, bad math”. That’s because Chu is a Darwinophile, and he let’s his Darwinism blind him from the truth. Where is Chu’s criticism of Darwin’s math? Non-existent. This is evidence of Chu’s bias and willingness to distort the truth in order to defend Darwin. Darwin was bad at math, and his theory is full of math contradictions. [snip] Kimura’s differential equations blew Darwinism out of water in molecular evolution. Darwin couldn’t solve differential equations because that requires calculus, and Darwin couldn’t even do high school algebra, much less do calculus, much less differential equations….. [Even I can do high school algebra, and so can Bill Dembski and so can Jonathan Wells :-) ] [snip] Darwinism is no where near physics as a science, heck, it’s not even as good as high school algebra. The subtlety of Sal's argument truly places him among history's great writers. Ummm, well, I wonder if Sal knows that Bishop George Berkeley critizised differential calculus and yet claimed that the mind of God heard the sound of falling trees in the wood, when nobody else heard it (or something like that). - pwe

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 13 2008,20:48    The Young Cosmos Discussion Forum has now gone 36 days without any discussion. Truly, ID is exploding worldwide.

Albatrossity2 Posts: 2780 Joined: Mar. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2008,07:08    In the arena of "nauseating arrogance", Sal is tough to beat. Addressing our friend Hermagoras, he writes Quote You probably know of this essay by the poet Shelley. It got him expelled from Oxford. Reading it I realized Shelley had a formidable and bold intellect. He expressed many of the questions I myself had once upon a time ID predicts that within a few months Sal will be claiming that he invented calculus while still in the womb. -------------- Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind Has been obligated from the beginning To create an ordered universe As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.                         - Pattiann Rogers

Hermagoras Posts: 1260 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2008,08:08    I have no idea why he addressed that to me.  Weird.  I've put up a response in the comments. -------------- "I am not currently proving that objective morality is true. I did that a long time ago and you missed it." -- StephenB http://paralepsis.blogspot.com/....pot.com

Mr_Christopher Posts: 1238 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2008,10:18    One thing that differentiates Sal from davetard is that Sal is preoccupied with violent imagery and gruesome acts of biblically inspired "justice" for non-believers.  Davetard wants to see us lose a supreme court case while Sal gloats over god using murderers and criminals to do his murderous bidding for him.  Sal fails to answer why god doesn't do his own killing.  Davetard wants to see us humiliated in a court of law, Sal waxes on human dismemberment. Sal gleefully talks about MMO'H's dismemberment in vivid detail and to make sure nothing is left to the reader's imagination he copies a picture of a circular saw.   Sal subscribes to old testiment morality where god ripping a child from a fallen mother's womb is an act of justice and goodness.  Davetard makes fun of granny spice and bullies non-believers. Sal is mentally ill, davetard is just a misguided, creationist idiot/and jerk.   Sal is a very sick man and I predict his condition will worsen before it gets any better. -------------- Uncommon Descent is a moral cesspool, a festering intellectual ghetto that intoxicates and degrades its inhabitants - Stephen Matheson

Albatrossity2 Posts: 2780 Joined: Mar. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2008,11:00    Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Feb. 14 2008,10:18) Sal is a very sick man and I predict his condition will worsen before it gets any better. No joke. In his latest missive, Sal longs for the days when creationists were kings.   Quote But as many loves as Russell had, he couldn’t outscore the creationist King of Israel, King Solomon. King Solomon was the author of 3 books of the Bible (Song of Solomon, Ecclesiastes, Proverbs). King Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines. One can only imagine what the demands of Valentine’s Day would be upon that creationist king…. And leaves us wondering where his febrile mind will wander next. Quote I will have to elaborate later as I’m out of time today….but briefly, I believe the Intelligent Designer is the origin of Love. Love, even in illicit contexts, even expressed in the animal kingdom, is an imperfect analogy to that which is perfect. Biotic reality converges again and again on the same form (that of genders) in defiance of natural selection. -------------- Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind Has been obligated from the beginning To create an ordered universe As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.                         - Pattiann Rogers

Mr_Christopher Posts: 1238 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2008,12:00    Quote sick sal was all, Love, even in illicit contexts Um, what is he talking about?  When is love illicit? -------------- Uncommon Descent is a moral cesspool, a festering intellectual ghetto that intoxicates and degrades its inhabitants - Stephen Matheson

Hermagoras Posts: 1260 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2008,12:20    Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Feb. 14 2008,12:00) Quote sick sal was all, Love, even in illicit contexts Um, what is he talking about?  When is love illicit? When it's between Sal and anybody else. [Rim shot] Thanks, I'll be here all week!  Good night, and be sure to tip your waitstaff! -------------- "I am not currently proving that objective morality is true. I did that a long time ago and you missed it." -- StephenB http://paralepsis.blogspot.com/....pot.com

Tom Ames Posts: 238 Joined: Dec. 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2008,12:58    Has a full semester elapsed since Sal boasted about getting an A in one of his classes? Because I find it hard to believe that he wouldn't be continuing to trumpet his achievements if he actually had any. My guess is that his grades are slipping. And I am hereby instituting the "Sal Cordova dropping out (as a prelude to ID martyrdom) pool". My bet: he won't be returning to JHU in Fall '08, but will instead be taking a formal position under Caroline Crocker. Other bets? -------------- -Tom Ames

Mr_Christopher Posts: 1238 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2008,13:25    It's not hard to imagine Sal catching some flies, pretending they're darwinists and slowly pulling their wings off as he reads some of the creepier bibical scriptures to them. -------------- Uncommon Descent is a moral cesspool, a festering intellectual ghetto that intoxicates and degrades its inhabitants - Stephen Matheson

Tom Ames Posts: 238 Joined: Dec. 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2008,13:32    Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Feb. 11 2008,13:19)     Quote a dimwit called FtK wrote: What I am curious about is the accusation of plagerism…is it accurate? Yes virginia, in spite of the lies told by Sal the Slime the kooky kreationist koreans plagerized the article.  Had you learned to read you could have looked at the many documents that have been posted that show side by side comparisons of the creationist article and those they stole from.   FtK can you explain to us why creationists lie? This is great! Sal responds to FtK's question "are the charges of plagiarism accurate?" with the defense: Quote If the footnotes were indicating the sources, it would be hard to argue plagiarism since the footnote indicates where the ideas came from, the author, and the exact page number. Of course, 15 sec. of research would have revealed that the hypothetical citations were actually not there. Sal's psychopathy is excelled only by his slothfulness. I'm not worried about any possible killing sprees: he's just too lazy for that. -------------- -Tom Ames

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2008,13:40    Quote (Tom Ames @ Feb. 14 2008,13:58) My bet: he won't be returning to JHU in Fall '08, but will instead be taking a formal position under Caroline Crocker. Other bets? No way would I bet against that. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

Richard Simons Posts: 425 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2008,18:06    Quote (Tom Ames @ Feb. 14 2008,13:32)   Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Feb. 11 2008,13:19)         Quote a dimwit called FtK wrote: What I am curious about is the accusation of plagerism…is it accurate? Yes virginia, in spite of the lies told by Sal the Slime the kooky kreationist koreans plagerized the article.  Had you learned to read you could have looked at the many documents that have been posted that show side by side comparisons of the creationist article and those they stole from.   FtK can you explain to us why creationists lie? This is great! Sal responds to FtK's question "are the charges of plagiarism accurate?" with the defense:     Quote If the footnotes were indicating the sources, it would be hard to argue plagiarism since the footnote indicates where the ideas came from, the author, and the exact page number. Of course, 15 sec. of research would have revealed that the hypothetical citations were actually not there. I find the way he puts this is revealing. Does he not realize that in scientific papers the references are not given as footnotes, but in a separate section at the end of the paper? Has he ever actually looked at a scientific paper? -------------- All sweeping statements are wrong.

keiths Posts: 2195 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 15 2008,01:50    Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Feb. 14 2008,10:18) One thing that differentiates Sal from davetard is that Sal is preoccupied with violent imagery... DaveTard has his moments too.  Don't forget this one: Quote Actually it makes me feel like doing some pain experiments on PZ Myers. I don’t believe he feels pain. All the blood and screaming from my fists pounding his face to a pulp would be nothing more significant than an automobile engine leaking oil and bearings making noise from lack of lubrication. Of course I could be wrong. -ds -------------- And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number. -- Joe G Please stop putting words into my mouth that don't belong there and thoughts into my mind that don't belong there. -- KF

Timothy McDougald Posts: 1036 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 15 2008,20:11    Quote (Tom Ames @ Feb. 14 2008,12:58) My bet: he won't be returning to JHU in Fall '08, but will instead be taking a formal position under Caroline Crocker. Sal's not that kind of boy. He would insist on being on top. -------------- Church burning ebola boy FTK: I Didn't answer your questions because it beats the hell out of me. PaV: I suppose for me to be pried away from what I do to focus long and hard on that particular problem would take, quite honestly, hundreds of thousands of dollars to begin to pique my interest.

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 15 2008,20:21    Quote (Richard Simons @ Feb. 14 2008,17:06) Quote (Tom Ames @ Feb. 14 2008,13:32)     Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Feb. 11 2008,13:19)           Quote a dimwit called FtK wrote: What I am curious about is the accusation of plagerism…is it accurate? Yes virginia, in spite of the lies told by Sal the Slime the kooky kreationist koreans plagerized the article.  Had you learned to read you could have looked at the many documents that have been posted that show side by side comparisons of the creationist article and those they stole from.   FtK can you explain to us why creationists lie? This is great! Sal responds to FtK's question "are the charges of plagiarism accurate?" with the defense:       Quote If the footnotes were indicating the sources, it would be hard to argue plagiarism since the footnote indicates where the ideas came from, the author, and the exact page number. Of course, 15 sec. of research would have revealed that the hypothetical citations were actually not there. I find the way he puts this is revealing. Does he not realize that in scientific papers the references are not given as footnotes, but in a separate section at the end of the paper? Has he ever actually looked at a scientific paper? He probably thinks that an appendix is something he should have removed, too. Lame! -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

Hermagoras Posts: 1260 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 15 2008,20:42    Quote (Richard Simons @ Feb. 14 2008,18:06) Quote (Tom Ames @ Feb. 14 2008,13:32)     Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Feb. 11 2008,13:19)         Quote a dimwit called FtK wrote: What I am curious about is the accusation of plagerism…is it accurate? Yes virginia, in spite of the lies told by Sal the Slime the kooky kreationist koreans plagerized the article.  Had you learned to read you could have looked at the many documents that have been posted that show side by side comparisons of the creationist article and those they stole from.   FtK can you explain to us why creationists lie? This is great! Sal responds to FtK's question "are the charges of plagiarism accurate?" with the defense:       Quote If the footnotes were indicating the sources, it would be hard to argue plagiarism since the footnote indicates where the ideas came from, the author, and the exact page number. Of course, 15 sec. of research would have revealed that the hypothetical citations were actually not there. I find the way he puts this is revealing. Does he not realize that in scientific papers the references are not given as footnotes, but in a separate section at the end of the paper? Has he ever actually looked at a scientific paper? I've schooled Sal on the plagiarism issue here. -------------- "I am not currently proving that objective morality is true. I did that a long time ago and you missed it." -- StephenB http://paralepsis.blogspot.com/....pot.com

keiths Posts: 2195 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2008,01:35    Quote (afarensis @ Feb. 15 2008,20:11)   Quote (Tom Ames @ Feb. 14 2008,12:58) My bet: he won't be returning to JHU in Fall '08, but will instead be taking a formal position under Caroline Crocker. Sal's not that kind of boy. He would insist on being on top. :p Wearing his scuba mask and flippers. -------------- And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number. -- Joe G Please stop putting words into my mouth that don't belong there and thoughts into my mind that don't belong there. -- KF

keiths Posts: 2195 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2008,01:42    Quote (Hermagoras @ Feb. 15 2008,20:42) I've schooled Sal on the plagiarism issue here. Sal, of course, learns nothing from his mistake: Quote I accept your correction. I didn’t delve much into the paper. However I expect endosymbiotic theory to continue to suffer. Thanks again for the correction. -------------- And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number. -- Joe G Please stop putting words into my mouth that don't belong there and thoughts into my mind that don't belong there. -- KF

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