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2ndclass



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 29 2007,17:47   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 29 2007,16:25)
Davetard breaks the "no added moderator's comments rule"

   
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late_model

01/29/2007

12:58 pm
Here is some more strangeness in the air. A friend recently forwarded this to me on junk DNA and panspermia.

http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2007/01/08/01288.html

This is a hoax. Please be more discriminating in what you post here. -ds

Heaven forbid a hoax show up on UD.

At least Dave caught it this time before Dembski had a chance to say "Right on!".

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2ndclass



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 29 2007,17:59   

Says Sal:    
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Even more curious was a somewhat ID-friendly essay in the book by renowned origin-of-life researcher, Harold Morowitz.

More curious still is that Sal failed to notice or failed to mention that the authors intentionally selected essays that represent various and contradictory viewpoints.  For example, they included John Searle's classic essay on the Chinese Room, and then Hofstadter proceeded to debunk it quite thoroughly.

And even more curious than that is the fact that the essay in question doesn't support ID.  At most it can be viewed as supporting mind/body dualism, and it doesn't really support that either.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 29 2007,19:07   

Hey, j'ai lu L'Etranger aussi! Well, I had a great afternoon in Urgent Care, so how's by you all? (Long and stupid story.) Grrr.
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I know. If only we would let these brilliant minds rearrange our science, Nature and Biology Letters and such would be as productive and successful as PCID.

"Jed Macosko, Associate Editor..."

Aughhh! No! No! *Shriek* Faints.

It's a Luther Seminary (Minnesota) thingie. :angry:

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phonon



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 29 2007,19:26   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Jan. 27 2007,20:13)
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Quote (J-Dog @ Jan. 26 2007,20:35)
ps:  Phonon - Great Avatar!

Thanks! But I have to thank whomever it was that made that picture. If it was you, Michael Tuite, then a million thanks! That thing is a masterpiece.
     
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Yes, they do.
It's something like $2000 to have a paper published in PLoS Biology, I heard.

Yikes! Someone also told me, and I don't know if this is true, that it costs $1-2k to publish is some medical journals that still charge subscription fees. I couldn't believe it, but I'm sure it's true. (That last sentence was for everyone at UD and OE.)

For what it's worth, I've been published in linguistics journals several times, and I've never heard of a linguistics journal where you had to pay to be published. Until today, I'd never heard of any academic journal that worked that way.

For the record, I subscribe to two academic linguistic journals -- one costs $45 a year, the other $55. Doesn't seem too bad to me, especially since they're partly tax deductible. I used to subscribe to Language as well, but I quit subscribing after I filed my diss, since once I lost my student discount, my subscription tripled. But if I need an article in it, my local UC library has it -- I only have to wander in and copy it. A dime per page.

This doesn't feel to me like a cabal of academics are trying to hide scientific findings by artificially trying to keep journal prices high. Most academic journals I'm aware of barely make ends meet.

I suppose, though, that the money to publish has to come from somewhere. If people want open-access journals, the authors will have to pay. I've only published a few papers so far. One was in Applied Physics Letters. What's interesting about them is that they have the option of open-access. The authors can choose to pay $1800 for their paper to be open access. I wonder how many authors opt for that route. :)
http://apl.aip.org/apl/au_select.jsp

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 29 2007,20:41   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Jan. 29 2007,17:06)
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Man, Gil's so smart.    
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An opening quote by Albert Camus at the beginning of the book gives away Monod’s agenda. I’ve read Camus (best known for The Stranger) and Camus’ philosophical compatriot, Jean-Paul Sartre (best known for Nausea), the famous French existentialists who were instrumental in promoting 20th century nihilism. I read them in the original French, in pursuit of my Masters degree in French language and literature.
He read them in the original French, which means that Monod is a nihilist and so is the institution of Darwinism! And he's got the degree to give his proclamations authority!

Why would nihilists write a book? I mean, what's the point? There's a reason there are no 'nihilist clubs'...

Not entirely true:





"Nihilists! Fuck me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos."

Erm, it's a book about Nihilism. Arden you can write a book about being Haaaawt like me, but it wouldn't make you RichardTHughes@HawtMale.com

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Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 29 2007,20:54   

Wait just a minute here.    
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HeLa wrote:
"All I'm saying is lets listen to what he says okay?"

Well, ultimately, it's up to the moderators at this site. But the major point of my last message was to simply point out that this site was created as a place where high school students (and others) can learn about the controversy over Intelligent Design and Darwinism from an ID perspective… it's not about speculative cures for cancer, reasonable or unreasonable.

So, it seems reasonable to suggest that discussions about speculative cures for cancer belong on sites dedicated to those topics, not so much at a site dedicated to discussing ID vs. Darwinism.
TRoutMac
Intelligent (Graphic) Designer

Cancer cures are not germaine to the ID/Evo debate? Since when? (This article by Wells was my introduction to I.D.)

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 29 2007,22:18   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 29 2007,15:40)
Quote (argystokes @ Jan. 29 2007,15:29)
Man, Gil's so smart.    
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An opening quote by Albert Camus at the beginning of the book gives away Monod’s agenda. I’ve read Camus (best known for The Stranger) and Camus’ philosophical compatriot, Jean-Paul Sartre (best known for Nausea), the famous French existentialists who were instrumental in promoting 20th century nihilism. I read them in the original French, in pursuit of my Masters degree in French language and literature.
He read them in the original French, which means that Monod is a nihilist and so is the institution of Darwinism! And he's got the degree to give his proclamations authority!

Why would nihilists write a book? I mean, what's the point? There's a reason there are no 'nihilist clubs'...

Holy mother of god GI claims all that and HE STILL DOESN'T GET CAMUS?

OK the guy is autistic as well as a literalist.

To paraphrase Camus himself

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Abstract Art:Anything Dembski et al or their sychophants do is A product of the untalented, sold by the unprincipled to the utterly bewildered.
Albert Camus


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The fool’s life is empty of gratitude and full of fears; its course lies wholly toward the future.
Epicurus, 341-270 b.C., Greek philosopher, Letter to Menouceus  


Live for now you crummy Dispensationalist

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He who does not think that what he has is more than ample is an unhappy man, even if he is the master of the whole Word.
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 29 2007,23:08   

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Says Sal:          
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Even more curious was a somewhat ID-friendly essay in the book by renowned origin-of-life researcher, Harold Morowitz.

More curious still is that Sal failed to notice or failed to mention that the authors intentionally selected essays that represent various and contradictory viewpoints.  For example, they included John Searle's classic essay on the Chinese Room, and then Hofstadter proceeded to debunk it quite thoroughly.

And even more curious than that is the fact that the essay in question doesn't support ID.  At most it can be viewed as supporting mind/body dualism, and it doesn't really support that either.


It's worse than that.  Sleazador even quote-mines Hofstadter:
 
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Dennett’s co-author, Hofstadter, makes an interesting remark about the ultimate mind:
 
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one way to think of the universal wave function [of quantum physics] is as the mind– or brain, if you prefer–of the great novelist in the sky, God.

I found it curious Dennett would put his name to a book where such statements were asserted by his co-author, Hofstadter.


Of course, the quote didn't say exactly what he wanted it to, so Salvador truncated it.  Here's Hofstadter unedited:
 
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Perhaps one way to think of the universal wave function is as the mind -- or brain, if you prefer -- of the great novelist in the sky, God, in which all branches are being simultaneously entertained.  We would be mere subsystems of God's brain, and these versions of us are no more privileged or authentic than our galaxy is the only genuine galaxy.  God's brain, conceived in this way, evolves smoothly and deterministically, as Einstein always maintained.


How about that, Sal.  God's brain evolves.  Deterministically.  Gee, I wonder why you cut the quote short?

How does Salvador reconcile his lying with his supposed Christian morals?  My latest guess is that he's spent so much time lying to himself that he doesn't notice when he lies to others.

By the way, Sal -- Hoftstadter is an atheist, you dork.

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phonon



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 29 2007,23:32   

Quote (Kristine @ Jan. 29 2007,20:54)
Cancer cures are not germaine to the ID/Evo debate?

Totally OT, but did anyone here hear about this?

Supposedly simple little dichloroacetate kills most cancers.

http://www.newscientist.com/article....rs.html

WOW!

But according to Wikipedia it has some nasty side effects, so the claim of "safe" in the headline might be a bit of wishful thinking.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 29 2007,23:53   

From an article under discussion at UD: http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/2008#comments

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You might believe (as I do) that ID is a wrongheaded idea, but it’s hard to see how that alone should disqualify it from academic discourse.  

Even bad ideas can contain kernels of truth, and it is academe’s role to find them.


Academia is not responsible for searching for kernels of truth in such things as claims to have created a perpetual motion machine.  

ID is disqualified from science in part because it is a bad idea (do we still talk about phlogistons and the 'bad air' theory of disease?).  More importantly, however, it has disqualified itself from scientific discourse because it has put itself firmly in the same camp as pseudoscience and intellectual frauds and because it has embraced intellectual dishonesty, in that its proponents are willing to misrepresent evidence and misrepresent what its opponents say if (a) they think they can get away with it, or (b) they can score rhetorical or political points by doing so.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 30 2007,00:28   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 29 2007,15:25)
OE has had 6 posts in a day! It's gone viral, dudes!

Tipping point! Tipping point!

More like one True Loon has descended to provide entertainment to all.

  
k.e.



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 30 2007,01:45   

Quote (djmullen @ Jan. 30 2007,00:28)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 29 2007,15:25)
OE has had 6 posts in a day! It's gone viral, dudes!

Tipping point! Tipping point!

More like one True Loon has descended to provide entertainment to all.

I agree, though I don't think that I'm THAT entertaining.

But Mr. Deity*  IS entertaining ...(on you Tube thanks steves)
...so much so it brings to mind some wise ass who once said that trying to  prove god exists will only bring discredit and ridicule to Christianity.

Its in the bible, look it up. I think that line is the only one you are supposed to take literally.

*Mr Deity

  
Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 30 2007,04:49   

Kristine,

I would come to your blog and gratefully recieve a piece of your mind etc but I'm worried that you're really one of Lou's characters and I'd get all excited for no reason, leave my wife for you and then discover that I was marrying some American electrician. Again.*

It didn't turn out well last time.

Louis

* It should be mentioned that, lest we forget, everyone on the internet is actually a character being played for laughs by Ken, a 300lb trucker from Arkansas who is trying to score chicks in his massive amount of spare time. We are all really Ken, it's like the borg.

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k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 30 2007,06:01   

Quote (Louis @ Jan. 30 2007,04:49)
Kristine,

I would come to your blog and gratefully recieve a piece of your mind etc but I'm worried that you're really one of Lou's characters and I'd get all excited for no reason, leave my wife for you and then discover that I was marrying some American electrician. Again.*

It didn't turn out well last time.

Louis

* It should be mentioned that, lest we forget, everyone on the internet is actually a character being played for laughs by Ken, a 300lb trucker from Arkansas who is trying to score chicks in his massive amount of spare time. We are all really Ken, it's like the borg.

WHY did you have to tell everyone??????????

Thankyou for removing the last plank supporting my existential angst....now I have to go back to real life.

So you think that me taking those pills my doc gave me for a DT blockage is a fantasy?....by the way, that aint pretty folks.

...down here, we have a guy named 'ken oath and HE'S EVERYWHERE.

..erm excuse me... a very large cockroach just decided to share my glass of L'eau de Leg Opener ...I'll be back.


..OK a bit of shock and awe seems to have changed it's mind.

where was I ..oh ...yes Ken ...we are all connected to the ken ...he's the designer you know..yes he's the one who keeps the tally on his dunny wall ...have you been good or bad? ..well Ken knows...and smiting? well only in Ken's dreams...I have it on good account that Ken is fatter than DT after a cheesy poof binge..and nobody is THAT FAT or for that matter THAT MUCH OF A TYRANICAL BASTARD ...well accept Idi Amin but he's dead.

Thanks Louis or should I say MORBIUS????

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 30 2007,06:19   

Louis:
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I would come to your blog and gratefully recieve a piece of your mind etc but I'm worried that you're really one of Lou's characters and I'd get all excited for no reason, leave my wife for you and then discover that I was marrying some American electrician. Again.*


The internet:  Where men are men and so are the women.

  
k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 30 2007,06:31   

Quote (djmullen @ Jan. 30 2007,06:19)
Louis:  
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I would come to your blog and gratefully recieve a piece of your mind etc but I'm worried that you're really one of Lou's characters and I'd get all excited for no reason, leave my wife for you and then discover that I was marrying some American electrician. Again.*


The internet:  Where men are men and so are the women.

....but..but what about Hermaphrodites
they're legend in the electrickal word.

I'm going off to write a connecting piece to Greek Mythology here so be prepared for a boring bit.

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The conservative has but little to fear from the man whose reason is the servant of his passions, but let him beware of him in whom reason has become the greatest and most terrible of the passions.These are the wreckers of outworn empires and civilisations, doubters, disintegrators, deicides.Haldane

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 30 2007,08:01   

more baseless crap over at OW:
 
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By contrast, evolutionary biology is run like a "mafia" family. If the boss (Dawkins) denounces you then nobody in the "evo" community is allowed to talk to you again. Your papers will be ignored (no matter how sensible) and institutions will be prevented from funding your research. Could the evolutionists be turning ther back on real science and important discoveries - you bet


say hello to my little friend Dumbski!

http://www.overwhelmingevidence.com/oe....ent-884

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 30 2007,08:30   

Jason Rosenhouse wrote a really good review of the Turner article that I referred to a few posts above.  It's at http://scienceblogs.com/evolutionblog/2007/01/fisking_turner.php

To elaborate on my earlier post a little, it's not so much that ID has disqualified itself from scientific discourse and is therefore proscribed from discussion, so much as it has squandered any claims it ever had to be taken seriously.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 30 2007,09:01   

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By contrast, evolutionary biology is run like a "mafia" family. If the boss (Dawkins) denounces you then nobody in the "evo" community is allowed to talk to you again. Your papers will be ignored (no matter how sensible) and institutions will be prevented from funding your research. Could the evolutionists be turning ther back on real science and important discoveries - you bet


You HAVE to be fucking kidding me!

Oh no, wait, it's IDCists we're dealing with isn't it? Sorry, forgive my shock, we're dealing with the scientifically illiterate and the mentally deranged.

Morbius Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 30 2007,09:04   

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darth314        
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we do not know exactly what gravity is but we have a pretty god theory that allows us to predict what happes when we drop a stone.

DaveScot        
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What reliable and useful predictions are made by “evolution” that other theories do not predict or are not simply predictions based on observation absent any theory?


As the Theory of Evolution is a collection of interrelated assertions, the relevant predictions depend on the specifics. Common Descent predicts the nested hierarchy (including the placement of fossil organisms with intermediate characteristics). Gradual adaptation implies that new characteristics are modifications of existing characteristics. Natural selection implies that reproductive success can depend on heritable characteristics. Random mutation implies that mutations are random with respect to selectable traits. Neutral theory implies that some genetic changes are not subject to selection.

Being science means *Predictions based on observation*. It's hard to know what DaveScot means here. If he means that "evolution" absolutely precludes intelligent or divine intervention, then this is incorrect. However, there is no scientific evidence of such an intervention and substantial evidence of naturalistic mechanisms throughout the history of life.

Just to emphasize the straw content of his straw man, DaveScot continues,

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All you outlined was repetition of experiments and predicting the result based on the result of past experiments.


Duh! That's the whole point, DaveScot; being able to replicate observations, being able to make generalizations concerning those observations, being able to predict the results of new observations, and then modifying those generalizations.

Newton predicted the movements of the planets. Ptolemy could do that!

We have *observed* that some mutations are random with respect to selectable characteristics. We then attempt to observe mutations in other circumstances to see if the generality applies.

We have *observed* that some heritable characteristics can lead to differential reproduction. We call this observation "natural selection". We then attempt to observe mutations in other circumstances to see if the generality applies.

We have *observed* that the nested hierarchy of descent is observed in the morphology of extinct and extant organisms, genomics, embryonics, biogeography, etc. We then attempt to observe mutations in other circumstances to see if the generality applies. And it does, for the vast majority of taxa — but apparently does not at the roots of the phylogenetic tree.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 30 2007,09:11   

Quote (N.Wells @ Jan. 29 2007,23:53)
Academia is not responsible for searching for kernels of truth in such things as claims to have created a perpetual motion machine.  

ID is disqualified from science in part because it is a bad idea (do we still talk about phlogistons and the 'bad air' theory of disease?).


We still talk about the 'bad air' theory of flash animation.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 30 2007,10:00   

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Louis:
I would come to your blog and gratefully recieve a piece of your mind etc but I'm worried that you're really one of Lou's characters and I'd get all excited for no reason, leave my wife for you and then discover that I was marrying some American electrician. Again.*.

The internet:  Where men are men and so are the women.

Holy fibble, the "sock puppet" charge tosses its blond hair again and it's a trick, I know it! "Get her to post more photos." I can just hear the hands rubbing together. Do you realize that someUDbody is lurking and laughing ("The atheists are agnostic about Kristine") and that certain people at UD (except the undertaker o'my heart) are shimmying with joy ("More photos! More photos!")? I was not created from Lou's rib, okay?:D

And you're all a projection of my thoughts anyway (except Dr. Lenny). Prove me wrong. :D

(Dr. Lenny, first I get through this semester and then I return from the Galapagos, and then I work on and post the shimmy-quiz animation. I promise.) :)

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 30 2007,11:09   

Kristine,

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"Get her to post more photos."


{Irish voice, rather like that of a curious Craggy Islander asking Father Ted about a film called "The Passion of St Tibulus" or something like that}

Excuse me, Father. Would those be the nudey type of photos, Father? Ah we all like them nudey type of photos , Father.

{/Irish voice, rather like that of a curious Craggy Islander asking Father Ted about a film called "The Passion of St Tibulus" or something like that}

As for us being a figment of your imagination, piffle and tommyrot. I have it on good authority (mine) that you are all figments of my imagination. YOU prove it, and remember that I do not have to match your pathetic level of detail. Mwah ha ha.

{twirls moustache but does not in any way shimmy, that's for girls etc}

Oh and BTW how can you fancy Dembski? The man would surely weasel his way out of perfectly egalitarian orgasmic delivery by claiming he did not have to match your pathetic level of erogenous stimulation.

Louis

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Zachriel



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 30 2007,11:20   

Joseph does his usual long-quotes, this time from Mike Gene’s article Extrapolating From Small Changes,  
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It is a known fact that small change + much time does not always equal large change. Consider a couple of obvious examples. Let's say that you decide to create a pile of coins at a rate of one coin added/day. After one week, you'll have a pile seven coins high. From this small scale perspective, you then argue that after 10 years of adding coins, you'll have a pile 3,650 coins high. But we all know, from experience, that the laws of physics will eventually step in as the tower of coins becomes unstable at some point and comes crashing to the ground long before we reach the 3,650 number.

Of course, the analogy is very imperfect. A closer analogy would be the observation lots of stacks of coins of various sizes, and lots of people stacking coins. Now we can reasonably extrapolate that the larger stacks were created by adding coins to smaller stacks.

(By the way, the writer used the term "pile", and it is very possible to pile coins much more than 3650 coins high — though it would take many more than that many coins to create such a "pile").

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 30 2007,11:23   

Quote (Kristine @ Jan. 30 2007,10:00)
I was not created from Lou's rib, okay?:D

Not that there's anything wrong with that...

(Unless it's the one I broke a few years ago.  It never healed right, and it sort of sticks out about an inch.  I can make it move, and the kids call it my "Alien".)

   
Quote (Louis @ Jan. 30 2007,11:09)
{Irish voice, rather like that of a curious Craggy Islander asking Father Ted about a film called "The Passion of St Tibulus" or something like that}

Excuse me, Father. Would those be the nudey type of photos, Father? Ah we all like them nudey type of photos , Father.

{/Irish voice, rather like that of a curious Craggy Islander asking Father Ted about a film called "The Passion of St Tibulus" or something like that}


Interesting that you bring up confessions, considering the stories the girls have been writing...

Is there something on your mind, Louis?

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Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 30 2007,11:36   

Quote (Zachriel @ Jan. 30 2007,11:20)
Joseph does his usual long-quotes, this time from Mike Gene’s article Extrapolating From Small Changes,    

Reading further, Mike Gene's argument goes off the rails,    
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It would mean that all of the fossil evidence is largely the consequence of trivial evolutionary events that have little meaning for the origin of much cellular machinery. If most of evolution and the fossil record can be explained by changing the pattern of gene expression, then most of evolution and the fossil record is not relevant to questions about the origin of those genes or the basic process of gene expression itself. (1) might be vindicated at the level of organismic evolution, but at a very high price. That price being that almost all of the evidence of evolution now becomes irrelevant to the deeper aspects of life.

So Mike Gene admits that the entire fossil record of change from fish to man is due to evolutionary change, but is "trivial", "irrelevant" and not "deep". Handwaving at its very finest!

Thanks for laughs, Joseph.

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 30 2007,11:51   

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Interesting that you bring up confessions, considering the stories the girls have been writing...

Is there something on your mind, Louis?


Erm, no, nothing. Ermmm why are you asking? You can't prove anything I tells ya!

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 30 2007,12:08   

Woah...

Some heavy duty ID researh science type stuff:

http://www.thedesignmatrix.com/content/let-there-be-light/

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 30 2007,12:12   

They're going to bomb us into self-destruction.

http://www.overwhelmingevidence.com/oe....ent-890

 
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The religious doctrine of Evolution has held sway over much of science for almost 200 years, but could this flawed empire be on the verge of collapsing? I personally think so, and suggest that if we choose our targets well we may see the empire of evolution self-destruct within our own lifetimes.



Emphasis mine.

Can it be coincidence that 99.9% of Tards are on their side of the fence? If only I had some sort of probabilistic filter..

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
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"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 30 2007,12:24   

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Woah...

Some heavy duty ID researh science type stuff:

http://www.thedesignmatrix.com/content/let-there-be-light/

Your bravado is futile.

Behold! Your end is nigh!

EDIT: Dang rules of grammar!

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