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Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2015,12:21    Quote (JonF @ June 23 2015,11:11) Quote (Joe G @ June 23 2015,11:14) Quote (JonF @ June 23 2015,08:07)   Quote (Joe G @ June 22 2015,16:24)   Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ June 22 2015,15:08)     Quote (Woodbine @ June 22 2015,15:05) Hey, Joe....I've just checked in with the guys at the lab and you should see the size of the number they've found....it's massive! Today Chubs also announced that you can't have a probability be zero.  But compared to his other stupidity that's nothing...  ;) I said zero equals an impossibility. Richie already posted a reference that says a probability is between zero and one. Is zero between zero and one? Depends, did he mean "between zero and one inclusive" or "between zero and one exclusive"? Hint: the former. Mathematicians recognize both closed and open intervals. Duh. "Between" has a specific meaning. In probability/math it has two meanings; open interval or closed interval. In this case which is meant is intuitively obvious to the most casual observer, assuming that observer has two or more functioning brain cells. That explains why you couldn't figure it out. If it isn't mentioned then it is exclusive. Do impossible events have a probability? -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2015,12:23    Quote (stevestory @ June 23 2015,10:59) Quote "Between" has a specific meaning. how thick is the border between the US and mexico? As thick as the border between the US and Canada. The important thing is the border is BETWEEN the two countries and not the countries themselves. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2015,12:30    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Do+i....lity%3F -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2015,12:31    Quote (Joe G @ June 23 2015,10:21) Do impossible events have a probability? Yes.  Can you guess what it is, caekboy? -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2015,12:35    Quote (midwifetoad @ June 23 2015,12:30) http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Do+i....lity%3F It looks like a no as a probability has to be greater than zero. That is the reason for zero probability- it is reserved for that which is close to but not quite zero -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2015,12:36    Quote (JohnW @ June 23 2015,12:31) Quote (Joe G @ June 23 2015,10:21) Do impossible events have a probability? Yes.  Can you guess what it is, caekboy? Impossible. What happens when you put a zero as a numerator? -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2015,12:37    Quote Probability is the chance that something will happen. It can be shown on a line. Quote The probability of an event occurring is somewhere between impossible and certain. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2015,12:44    Quote (Joe G @ June 23 2015,10:35) Quote (midwifetoad @ June 23 2015,12:30) http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Do+i....lity%3F It looks like a no as a probability has to be greater than zero. That is the reason for zero probability- it is reserved for that which is close to but not quite zero Zero is close to but not quite zero.  I see. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2015,12:46    Quote (Joe G @ June 23 2015,12:19) Quote (k.e.. @ June 23 2015,10:41) Quote (Joe G @ June 23 2015,18:11)   Quote (k.e.. @ June 23 2015,09:31)   Quote (fnxtr @ June 23 2015,17:18) (shrug) Okay, Joe. You're right, we're wrong. There's a designer. CSI/dFDIWLEN/whatever proves it. Now what? Well now you claim frequency = wavelength probability of zero is non existant (snikker) The designer is Allah ticks are vegetarian Call everyone a homo HOMO!! THAT'S WHAT! Yes if you have the wavelength then you have the frequency. Zero = impossibility. I never said anything about Allah, obviously Davey is a whining pussy. And just because ticks go on watermelon doesn't mean they are vegetarian. Davey is an ignorant pussy. Joe what's the frequency of a 10 meter wave in a block of steel? Stupid stupid man. And if Allah isn't the designer what is? As far as the ticks go you are the expert hahahahahah. I don't have the wavelength, Davey. If you have it then just do the calculation you moron. Frequency = 1/T where T is the time it takes for one wavelength to be completed. Dave, I have already been through this word game with Joey before. Rather than admit that he was in error, he plays with words. But the fact is, he made this claim: Wavelength = frequency Which any school kid knows is categorically wrong. Shit, they don't even have the same units.

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2015,12:48    Quote (Joe G @ June 23 2015,12:21) Quote (JonF @ June 23 2015,11:11) Quote (Joe G @ June 23 2015,11:14)   Quote (JonF @ June 23 2015,08:07)   Quote (Joe G @ June 22 2015,16:24)     Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ June 22 2015,15:08)     Quote (Woodbine @ June 22 2015,15:05) Hey, Joe....I've just checked in with the guys at the lab and you should see the size of the number they've found....it's massive! Today Chubs also announced that you can't have a probability be zero.  But compared to his other stupidity that's nothing...  ;) I said zero equals an impossibility. Richie already posted a reference that says a probability is between zero and one. Is zero between zero and one? Depends, did he mean "between zero and one inclusive" or "between zero and one exclusive"? Hint: the former. Mathematicians recognize both closed and open intervals. Duh. "Between" has a specific meaning. In probability/math it has two meanings; open interval or closed interval. In this case which is meant is intuitively obvious to the most casual observer, assuming that observer has two or more functioning brain cells. That explains why you couldn't figure it out. If it isn't mentioned then it is exclusive. Do impossible events have a probability? Yes. Next question.

socle Posts: 322 Joined: July 2009 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2015,12:50    Quote (Joe G @ June 23 2015,12:36) Impossible. What happens when you put a zero as a numerator? Yes, what does happen?  Does it create a problem?

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2015,12:54    Quote (socle @ June 23 2015,10:50) Quote (Joe G @ June 23 2015,12:36) Impossible. What happens when you put a zero as a numerator? Yes, what does happen?  Does it create a problem? I know what happens in mathematics.  In Joe's making-shit-up-as-he-goes-along version, who knows? -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

JonF Posts: 634 Joined: Feb. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2015,13:23    Quote (Joe G @ June 23 2015,13:19) Quote (k.e.. @ June 23 2015,10:41) Quote (Joe G @ June 23 2015,18:11)   Quote (k.e.. @ June 23 2015,09:31)   Quote (fnxtr @ June 23 2015,17:18) (shrug) Okay, Joe. You're right, we're wrong. There's a designer. CSI/dFDIWLEN/whatever proves it. Now what? Well now you claim frequency = wavelength probability of zero is non existant (snikker) The designer is Allah ticks are vegetarian Call everyone a homo HOMO!! THAT'S WHAT! Yes if you have the wavelength then you have the frequency. Zero = impossibility. I never said anything about Allah, obviously Davey is a whining pussy. And just because ticks go on watermelon doesn't mean they are vegetarian. Davey is an ignorant pussy. Joe what's the frequency of a 10 meter wave in a block of steel? Stupid stupid man. And if Allah isn't the designer what is? As far as the ticks go you are the expert hahahahahah. I don't have the wavelength, Davey. If you have it then just do the calculation you moron. Frequency = 1/T where T is the time it takes for one wavelength to be completed. Absolutely. Therefore frequency does not equal wavelength since you cannot derive one from the other without more information. Sorry, had to use words with more that three letters.  Maybe you can figure it out anyway if you try real hard.

JonF Posts: 634 Joined: Feb. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2015,13:24    Quote (Joe G @ June 23 2015,13:21) Quote (JonF @ June 23 2015,11:11) Quote (Joe G @ June 23 2015,11:14)   Quote (JonF @ June 23 2015,08:07)   Quote (Joe G @ June 22 2015,16:24)     Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ June 22 2015,15:08)     Quote (Woodbine @ June 22 2015,15:05) Hey, Joe....I've just checked in with the guys at the lab and you should see the size of the number they've found....it's massive! Today Chubs also announced that you can't have a probability be zero.  But compared to his other stupidity that's nothing...  ;) I said zero equals an impossibility. Richie already posted a reference that says a probability is between zero and one. Is zero between zero and one? Depends, did he mean "between zero and one inclusive" or "between zero and one exclusive"? Hint: the former. Mathematicians recognize both closed and open intervals. Duh. "Between" has a specific meaning. In probability/math it has two meanings; open interval or closed interval. In this case which is meant is intuitively obvious to the most casual observer, assuming that observer has two or more functioning brain cells. That explains why you couldn't figure it out. If it isn't mentioned then it is exclusive. Do impossible events have a probability? If it isn't mentioned it's derived from context.  When the context is probability, "between zero and one" is always inclusive. Duh.

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2015,14:07    Quote (Joe G @ June 23 2015,12:20) Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ June 23 2015,10:38)   Quote "Between" has a specific meaning. Like claiming ID as scientific then also admitting to be a YEC? That puts your lard ass between a rock and a hard place.   How many different designed, er, Designed "kinds" are there Chubs? ID is scientific and I never said I was a YEC. I don't accept the Bible as any sort of authority so that squashes your ignorance. Yet you claim every biological experiment ever conducted supports baraminology, which is Biblical created 'kinds" that were put on Noah's Ark. If you're such a scientific genius why don't you accept all those supposed scientific findings? Chubs logic strikes again.   -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2015,14:08    Quote (JohnW @ June 23 2015,12:54) Quote (socle @ June 23 2015,10:50)   Quote (Joe G @ June 23 2015,12:36) Impossible. What happens when you put a zero as a numerator? Yes, what does happen?  Does it create a problem? I know what happens in mathematics.  In Joe's making-shit-up-as-he-goes-along version, who knows? Joe must have missed the day when math was covered in toaster repairman school. -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2015,15:23    From Untelligent Reasoning: Quote So "zero" is a probability if and only if it represents something that is close to but not quite zero, for example something that has a probability of 1 in 10^200 of occurring. Make shit up + getting the basics very wrong. Vintage Joe! -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2015,15:26    Advanced tard question: Pr(3+2 = 9) = ? -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2015,16:14    Quote (Richardthughes @ June 23 2015,13:26) Advanced tard question: Pr(3+2 = 9) = ? I think that in Joemath, the equation is correct as is. This is all classic Joe: (1)  Assert something without thinking carefully (largest known number; distant stars stop planets falling into sun; design is a mechanism; frequency = wavelength; etc. etc.) (2)  Refuse to accept the possibility he might be just a teeny bit wrong. (3)  Repeat (1), with extra swearing. (4)  Go to (2).  Continue until meds kick in. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2015,18:54    Quote (Joe G @ June 23 2015,13:23) Quote (stevestory @ June 23 2015,10:59) Quote "Between" has a specific meaning. how thick is the border between the US and mexico? As thick as the border between the US and Canada. The important thing is the border is BETWEEN the two countries and not the countries themselves. and how wide is that 'between'? you can answer in meters are feet, whichever you prefer.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2015,18:59    Quote Probability Functions A probability function is a function which assigns probabilities to the values of a random variable. All the probabilities must be between 0 and 1 inclusive has joe ever been right about Anything?

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2015,19:24    Quote (stevestory @ June 23 2015,18:59) Quote Probability Functions A probability function is a function which assigns probabilities to the values of a random variable. All the probabilities must be between 0 and 1 inclusive has joe ever been right about Anything? I'm not sure. He does that design doesn't have a mechanism. But then his insta followup is that design is a mechanism... -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 23 2015,19:28    Quote (stevestory @ June 23 2015,09:59) Quote "Between" has a specific meaning. how thick is the border between the US and mexico? The width of the Rio Grande? (Well, for the eastern portion of that border, anyway.)

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2015,08:57    Quote (Joe G @ June 23 2015,08:07) Quote (fnxtr @ June 23 2015,09:18) (shrug) Okay, Joe. You're right, we're wrong. There's a designer. CSI/dFDIWLEN/whatever proves it. Now what? Now we study it in that light. We would look for the software that runs biology. Do you we have a better chance at understanding Stonehenge by studying it as an artifact or a natural formation? and where is this cutting edge research taking place? DI and their pals rake in the cash all the time, so money can't be an issue... maybe a Templeton grant...??? -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2015,09:08    Quote (fnxtr @ June 24 2015,16:57) Quote (Joe G @ June 23 2015,08:07)   Quote (fnxtr @ June 23 2015,09:18) (shrug) Okay, Joe. You're right, we're wrong. There's a designer. CSI/dFDIWLEN/whatever proves it. Now what? Now we study it in that light. We would look for the software that runs biology. Do you we have a better chance at understanding Stonehenge by studying it as an artifact or a natural formation? and where is this cutting edge research taking place? DI and their pals rake in the cash all the time, so money can't be an issue... maybe a Templeton grant...??? Oh yeah I'm sure they'll want another book from Bill "The Welsher" Dembski.....as soon as he's  delivered the last book they paid for what over 10 years ago? Hey Bill where's  that bottle of single malt you owe us? -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2015,10:02    Quote (Richardthughes @ June 23 2015,15:23) From Untelligent Reasoning: Quote So "zero" is a probability if and only if it represents something that is close to but not quite zero, for example something that has a probability of 1 in 10^200 of occurring. Make shit up + getting the basics very wrong. Vintage Joe! Richie, you are one ignorant fuck! I provided the reference that supports my claim you ignorant ass. Quote To say that something "has a zero probability of occurring" means that its probability is statistically equivalent to zero. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki....ability -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2015,10:04    Quote (OgreMkV @ June 23 2015,19:24) Quote (stevestory @ June 23 2015,18:59) Quote Probability Functions A probability function is a function which assigns probabilities to the values of a random variable. All the probabilities must be between 0 and 1 inclusive has joe ever been right about Anything? I'm not sure. He does that design doesn't have a mechanism. But then his insta followup is that design is a mechanism... No, dumbass. ID is NOT about the mechanism. ID does NOT prevent anyone from trying to figure out a mechanism, moron. And design is a mechanism by definition, you ignorant ass -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2015,10:06    Quote (JonF @ June 23 2015,13:23) Quote (Joe G @ June 23 2015,13:19) Quote (k.e.. @ June 23 2015,10:41)   Quote (Joe G @ June 23 2015,18:11)   Quote (k.e.. @ June 23 2015,09:31)     Quote (fnxtr @ June 23 2015,17:18) (shrug) Okay, Joe. You're right, we're wrong. There's a designer. CSI/dFDIWLEN/whatever proves it. Now what? Well now you claim frequency = wavelength probability of zero is non existant (snikker) The designer is Allah ticks are vegetarian Call everyone a homo HOMO!! THAT'S WHAT! Yes if you have the wavelength then you have the frequency. Zero = impossibility. I never said anything about Allah, obviously Davey is a whining pussy. And just because ticks go on watermelon doesn't mean they are vegetarian. Davey is an ignorant pussy. Joe what's the frequency of a 10 meter wave in a block of steel? Stupid stupid man. And if Allah isn't the designer what is? As far as the ticks go you are the expert hahahahahah. I don't have the wavelength, Davey. If you have it then just do the calculation you moron. Frequency = 1/T where T is the time it takes for one wavelength to be completed. Absolutely. Therefore frequency does not equal wavelength since you cannot derive one from the other without more information. Sorry, had to use words with more that three letters.  Maybe you can figure it out anyway if you try real hard. Frequency and wavelength represent the SAME wave. They are different numerical representations of the SAME thing. If you have one you have the other. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2015,10:07    Quote (fnxtr @ June 24 2015,08:57) Quote (Joe G @ June 23 2015,08:07) Quote (fnxtr @ June 23 2015,09:18) (shrug) Okay, Joe. You're right, we're wrong. There's a designer. CSI/dFDIWLEN/whatever proves it. Now what? Now we study it in that light. We would look for the software that runs biology. Do you we have a better chance at understanding Stonehenge by studying it as an artifact or a natural formation? and where is this cutting edge research taking place? DI and their pals rake in the cash all the time, so money can't be an issue... maybe a Templeton grant...??? Where is the unguided evolution research taking place? You have all the universities and you still have NOTHING. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 24 2015,10:08    Quote (JonF @ June 23 2015,13:24) Quote (Joe G @ June 23 2015,13:21) Quote (JonF @ June 23 2015,11:11)   Quote (Joe G @ June 23 2015,11:14)   Quote (JonF @ June 23 2015,08:07)     Quote (Joe G @ June 22 2015,16:24)     Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ June 22 2015,15:08)       Quote (Woodbine @ June 22 2015,15:05) Hey, Joe....I've just checked in with the guys at the lab and you should see the size of the number they've found....it's massive! Today Chubs also announced that you can't have a probability be zero.  But compared to his other stupidity that's nothing...  ;) I said zero equals an impossibility. Richie already posted a reference that says a probability is between zero and one. Is zero between zero and one? Depends, did he mean "between zero and one inclusive" or "between zero and one exclusive"? Hint: the former. Mathematicians recognize both closed and open intervals. Duh. "Between" has a specific meaning. In probability/math it has two meanings; open interval or closed interval. In this case which is meant is intuitively obvious to the most casual observer, assuming that observer has two or more functioning brain cells. That explains why you couldn't figure it out. If it isn't mentioned then it is exclusive. Do impossible events have a probability? If it isn't mentioned it's derived from context.  When the context is probability, "between zero and one" is always inclusive. Duh. If probability is defined as something that has a chance, AND impossible means that there isn't a chance, how can something impossible have a probability? Do tell. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

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