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Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 01 2018,17:05    Quote (sparc @ May 01 2018,11:48) Just to make sure it doesn't get lost in the Bio-Complexity thread:       Quote Günter Blechly describes a new fossil insect species Chrismooreia michaelbehei sp in Bio-Complexity which       Quote is named in honor of Professor Michael Behe (Lehigh University) for his groundbreaking contributions to intelligent design theory, which had great influence on the personal views of the author [Blechly]. linky: http://bio-complexity.org/ojs.........2018.1 ETA: I should have known that they will trumpet the news at EN&V. A number of people have asked why Blechly published this incestuously in the DI's phony science rag he helps edit instead of a professional paleontology journal.  Nothing but crickets so far.... -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 02 2018,03:36    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ May 01 2018,17:05) Quote (sparc @ May 01 2018,11:48) Just to make sure it doesn't get lost in the Bio-Complexity thread:       Quote Günter Blechly describes a new fossil insect species Chrismooreia michaelbehei sp in Bio-Complexity which         Quote is named in honor of Professor Michael Behe (Lehigh University) for his groundbreaking contributions to intelligent design theory, which had great influence on the personal views of the author [Blechly]. linky: http://bio-complexity.org/ojs.........2018.1 ETA: I should have known that they will trumpet the news at EN&V. A number of people have asked why Blechly published this incestuously in the DI's phony science rag he helps edit instead of a professional paleontology journal.  Nothing but crickets so far.... I looked through it briefly & didn't see any reason why the paper would be controversial (unless there are issues around access to the fossil), but this isn't my area of work so I could easily miss something. -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

fusilier Posts: 252 Joined: Feb. 2003 (Permalink) Posted: May 02 2018,08:21    Quote (Bob O'H @ May 02 2018,04:36) Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ May 01 2018,17:05)   Quote (sparc @ May 01 2018,11:48) Just to make sure it doesn't get lost in the Bio-Complexity thread:         Quote Günter Blechly describes a new fossil insect species Chrismooreia michaelbehei sp in Bio-Complexity which           Quote is named in honor of Professor Michael Behe (Lehigh University) for his groundbreaking contributions to intelligent design theory, which had great influence on the personal views of the author [Blechly]. linky: http://bio-complexity.org/ojs.........2018.1 ETA: I should have known that they will trumpet the news at EN&V. A number of people have asked why Blechly published this incestuously in the DI's phony science rag he helps edit instead of a professional paleontology journal.  Nothing but crickets so far.... I looked through it briefly & didn't see any reason why the paper would be controversial (unless there are issues around access to the fossil), but this isn't my area of work so I could easily miss something. It's been a long time since I read the rules on naming, but there is one on publishing in an appropriate, reasonably-well-distributed, journal.   There were people, in the XIXth Century, who heard about discoveries, and quickly published in their personal, obscure, journals in order to get priority. This doesn't appear to be such a case, but .... fusilier James 2:24 edit to correct humbly phingers -------------- fusilier James 2:24

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 02 2018,08:59    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ May 01 2018,15:05) Quote (sparc @ May 01 2018,11:48) Just to make sure it doesn't get lost in the Bio-Complexity thread:       Quote Günter Blechly describes a new fossil insect species Chrismooreia michaelbehei sp in Bio-Complexity which         Quote is named in honor of Professor Michael Behe (Lehigh University) for his groundbreaking contributions to intelligent design theory, which had great influence on the personal views of the author [Blechly]. linky: http://bio-complexity.org/ojs.........2018.1 ETA: I should have known that they will trumpet the news at EN&V. A number of people have asked why Blechly published this incestuously in the DI's phony science rag he helps edit instead of a professional paleontology journal.  Nothing but crickets so far.... A creationist naming a fossil... SPROINNNNGGGG. Guess what that was. Go on, guess. -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

fusilier Posts: 252 Joined: Feb. 2003 (Permalink) Posted: May 02 2018,10:51    Quote (fnxtr @ May 02 2018,09:59) Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ May 01 2018,15:05) Quote (sparc @ May 01 2018,11:48) Just to make sure it doesn't get lost in the Bio-Complexity thread:         Quote Günter Blechly describes a new fossil insect species Chrismooreia michaelbehei sp in Bio-Complexity which         Quote is named in honor of Professor Michael Behe (Lehigh University) for his groundbreaking contributions to intelligent design theory, which had great influence on the personal views of the author [Blechly]. linky: http://bio-complexity.org/ojs.........2018.1 ETA: I should have known that they will trumpet the news at EN&V. A number of people have asked why Blechly published this incestuously in the DI's phony science rag he helps edit instead of a professional paleontology journal.  Nothing but crickets so far.... A creationist naming a fossil... SPROINNNNGGGG. Guess what that was. Go on, guess. Oh, c'mon. EVERYbody knows that fossils are from Teh Noachian Flood. Creos are good with that. fusilier James 2:24 -------------- fusilier James 2:24

N.Wells Posts: 1836 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 05 2018,20:19    So the article ( http://bio-complexity.org/ojs.........2018.1 ) reads largely like a standard "new species" paper, even saying that the fossil is in beds that represent a marine deltaic environment 191 m.y. ago, except (a) the holotype for now resides in a private collection and lacks a collection number*, and (b) one leetle tiny section of text right near the end that says "In any case the high degree of homplasy shows that the overall pattern of similarity is very incongruent and does not readily align with a hierarchical system required by evolutionary classification.  While surprising from the perspective of common ancestry, such incongruences would not be surprising from the perspective of common design.  To avoid a dilemma here, I recommend basing classification on maximum similarity rather than assumed common descent."   Well, that explains why it didn't get published in a more traditional venue. *Re Bob O'H's comment, the ICZN recommends but does not require that holotypes be in secure collections where the specimens are available for study.  These days more researchers are refusing to name holotypes that do not meet this recommendation, but practice varies. I'm not a specialist in insects, so I have no idea whether his details and interpretations are valid, but just how the heck does he think cladistics works anyway, if not by mathematical evaluation of similarity?

Glen Davidson Posts: 1100 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2018,18:54    The Pooch: Quote But if something operates without any goal, and finds a lot of goals, that sounds more like a miracle. Linky Unless you call it what it is, lying by equivocation. See, that's the superiority of their position, moral certitude coupled with a host of deceptive and dishonest tactics.  To be sure, they're often lying to themselves as much as to others, but the two go together, and they generally manage to escape the confines of their moral absolutes by using some transparent subterfuge or other. Glen Davidson -------------- http://tinyurl.com/mxaa3p....p Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of coincidence---ID philosophy

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2018,22:48    Quote (Glen Davidson @ May 08 2018,18:54) The Pooch:     Quote But if something operates without any goal, and finds a lot of goals, that sounds more like a miracle. Linky Unless you call it what it is, lying by equivocation. See, that's the superiority of their position, moral certitude coupled with a host of deceptive and dishonest tactics.  To be sure, they're often lying to themselves as much as to others, but the two go together, and they generally manage to escape the confines of their moral absolutes by using some transparent subterfuge or other. Glen Davidson And he's agreeing with ET. Hopeless.

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 09 2018,07:35    Denyse describing ID, although that's possible not what she intended: Quote My diagnosis of a crowd of people who might vaguely remind one of  Jeremy Shapiro: Those who cannot deal with a fact base often build an elaborate drama around why it doesn’t really exist or else doesn’t mean what it means, conscripting key players into unfamiliar roles and generalizing about the rest. -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

Glen Davidson Posts: 1100 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 09 2018,10:02    Quote (Bob O'H @ May 09 2018,07:35) Denyse describing ID, although that's possible not what she intended:   Quote My diagnosis of a crowd of people who might vaguely remind one of  Jeremy Shapiro: Those who cannot deal with a fact base often build an elaborate drama around why it doesn’t really exist or else doesn’t mean what it means, conscripting key players into unfamiliar roles and generalizing about the rest. Dense does have a point: Quote Don’t trust the court system you pay taxes for to decide against the continuing Darwin imposture; they have every reason to decide for it – not because it is true but because the idea that there is no design, no responsibility, and no free will makes your local tax burdens’ lives a lot easier. They can force you to support them while they do nothing of consequence. And they may even be doing something that harms you. What if they are persecuting a local white coat who is actually developing useful treatments, but he refuses to affirm Darwinism as true? So they run him out of town. Quite the drama, allowing her to avoid the fact base.  Making up a lie about a scientist being run out of town for refusing to affirm that "Darwinism" is true.  But she said "may."  Oh yeah, a weasel word to cover completely made-up bullshit. I'm glad she's coming to some self-awareness.  Ha.  It's really projection without end. Glen Davidson -------------- http://tinyurl.com/mxaa3p....p Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of coincidence---ID philosophy

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 09 2018,10:58    Judges are going to rule against creationism so that they can continue to wastefully tax you and "run out of town" creationist scientists? Wut?

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 09 2018,11:18    She sounds ready to martyr herself. She wouldn't of course because she would be the only "reporter" at the event. There'd be no story. She's like the crazy guy on the corner with an "The End is Nigh ....buy my book" sign. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 09 2018,11:41    Quote (k.e.. @ May 09 2018,09:18) She sounds ready to martyr herself. She wouldn't of course because she would be the only "reporter" at the event. There'd be no story. She's like the crazy guy on the corner with an "The End is Nigh ....buy my book" sign. The crazy guy's book is better-written. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 09 2018,11:55    Yeah she should add more dragons definitely. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 09 2018,14:44    Speaking of dense, our resident potty-mouthed chowder-head has been awfully quiet since his last spanking. Is anyone marking his cycles on a calendar?  Maybe it's a medication thing. -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 09 2018,15:13    Quote (fnxtr @ May 09 2018,12:44) Speaking of dense, our resident potty-mouthed chowder-head has been awfully quiet since his last spanking. Is anyone marking his cycles on a calendar?  Maybe it's a medication thing. Or a probation-officer thing. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

Texas Teach Posts: 2084 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 09 2018,16:13    Quote (JohnW @ May 09 2018,15:13) Quote (fnxtr @ May 09 2018,12:44) Speaking of dense, our resident potty-mouthed chowder-head has been awfully quiet since his last spanking. Is anyone marking his cycles on a calendar?  Maybe it's a medication thing. Or a probation-officer thing. Lycanthropy? -------------- "Creationists think everything Genesis says is true. I don't even think Phil Collins is a good drummer." --J. Carr "I suspect that the English grammar books where you live are outdated" --G. Gaulin

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 09 2018,16:32    Quote (fnxtr @ May 09 2018,14:44) Speaking of dense, our resident potty-mouthed chowder-head has been awfully quiet since his last spanking. Is anyone marking his cycles on a calendar?  Maybe it's a medication thing. He's still posting hot and heavy as "ET" at the Dense Place. Pretty predictable actually.  Whenever his ass gets too sore from the royal reaming he's getting he retreats to the IDiot Fortress Of Solitude and kisses up to KF for while.  At least until the feeling returns.   -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 09 2018,17:58    Maybe he's pausing his commenting here to learn some basic trig so he can understand how CO2 reemits ~50% of the IR radiation back towards earth.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 09 2018,17:58    Ha! Just Kidding. Joe never learns anything.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 09 2018,18:22    Quote Isolated complex functional islands in the ocean of sequences: a model from English language, again. May 8, 2018 Posted by gpuccio under Intelligent Design haven't heard that shit before.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 09 2018,18:36    Quote 5 HeartlanderMay 8, 2018 at 11:35 am David Berlinski – On the Derivation of Ulysses from Don Quixote Never heard of Heartlander before, but if he's lengthily quoting Berlinski he's saved me the trouble of ever reading his posts. Thanks, Heartlander!

Dr.GH Posts: 2333 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: May 09 2018,19:45    I just saw the dipshit post on some news site that used DISQUS as Joseph Gallien. Edited by Dr.GH on May 09 2018,17:46

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 10 2018,10:46    Quote (stevestory @ May 10 2018,02:36) Quote 5 HeartlanderMay 8, 2018 at 11:35 am David Berlinski – On the Derivation of Ulysses from Don Quixote Never heard of Heartlander before, but if he's lengthily quoting Berlinski he's saved me the trouble of ever reading his posts. Thanks, Heartlander! If Dense is the Digitalis of ID Berlinski is its Laudanum. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: May 10 2018,14:38    Quote (k.e.. @ May 10 2018,10:46) Quote (stevestory @ May 10 2018,02:36) Quote 5 HeartlanderMay 8, 2018 at 11:35 am David Berlinski – On the Derivation of Ulysses from Don Quixote Never heard of Heartlander before, but if he's lengthily quoting Berlinski he's saved me the trouble of ever reading his posts. Thanks, Heartlander! If Dense is the Digitalis of ID Berlinski is its Laudanum. More like the ExLax i=of ID.

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 10 2018,15:18    With fiends like that, who needs enemas?

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 10 2018,15:44    Quote 9 Allan KeithMay 9, 2018 at 7:48 pm AK, Quote Anyone who repeatedly claims that any of these groups suffer from one or more of these maladies is either delusional, insane, suffers from mental illness, or is just compulsively dishonest. BA77, Quote Since Atheistic materialism does not reflect reality as it really is, then Atheistic materialism is, by definition, delusional thinking! I rest my case. In BatShit77's case extreme stupidity goes pretty far. linky

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: May 10 2018,16:29    Quote (stevestory @ May 10 2018,15:44) Quote 9 Allan KeithMay 9, 2018 at 7:48 pm AK, Quote Anyone who repeatedly claims that any of these groups suffer from one or more of these maladies is either delusional, insane, suffers from mental illness, or is just compulsively dishonest. BA77, Quote Since Atheistic materialism does not reflect reality as it really is, then Atheistic materialism is, by definition, delusional thinking! I rest my case. In BatShit77's case extreme stupidity goes pretty far. linky Quote Charles McVety May 10, 2018 at 1:21 pm Allan, that you refuse to accept the reality of an all loving God is proof enough that you are delusional and that nobody should take you seriously. You are probably pro abortion, in favour of radical sex education and in favour of the redefinition of marriage. It is people like you who are leading to the downfall of our civilization. Looks like BatShitCrazy77 has a new boy friend. Crazy man walking

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 10 2018,16:43    Quote in favour of radical sex education What fresh hell is this?

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: May 10 2018,17:38    Quote (stevestory @ May 10 2018,16:43) Quote in favour of radical sex education What fresh hell is this? If he is who I think he is, this should raise UD to a new level. This moron makes BatShitCrazy77, Barry and KairosFocus look like masturbating devil worshippers. He actually had his show kicked off a Christian TV network because he was incapable of abiding by their code of ethics. If I remember correctly, it was the “I will not knowingly lie” that he had a problem with.

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