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Tom Ames Posts: 238 Joined: Dec. 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 20 2010,17:59    Bilbo has some idiosyncratic views that are hard to argue him out of, but he's a decent sort and it would be interesting to chat with him. (Assuming he's the Telic Thoughts Bilbo and not the Tom Johnson/YNHB/Chris Mooney-spoofing sockpuppet Bilbo. Him I can do without.) Didn't someone invite him? -------------- -Tom Ames

Alan Fox Posts: 1556 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 21 2010,04:40    Quote (Tom Ames @ Aug. 20 2010,12:59) Bilbo has some idiosyncratic views that are hard to argue him out of, but he's a decent sort and it would be interesting to chat with him. (Assuming he's the Telic Thoughts Bilbo and not the Tom Johnson/YNHB/Chris Mooney-spoofing sockpuppet Bilbo. Him I can do without.) Didn't someone invite him? Rich did. I posted a heads up for him at a couple of sites I have seen him post at and where I can also post! (Biologos and Mike Gene's book promo site)

Dr.GH Posts: 2333 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 21 2010,09:58    "Bilbo" was also an old-timer at ARN. I looked in on them the other day, and found that most of the "new" threads were resurrected from 8 years ago with one or two new posts. -------------- "Science is the horse that pulls the cart of philosophy." L. Susskind, 2004 "SMOLIN VS. SUSSKIND: THE ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE"

Schroedinger's Dog Posts: 1692 Joined: Jan. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 21 2010,15:09    I kinda like these cargo-cult threads, but I hold no hopes regarding the sudden appearence of a new chew-toy... -------------- "Hail is made out of water? Are you really that stupid?" Joe G "I have a better suggestion, Kris. How about a game of hide and go fuck yourself instead." Louis "The reason people use a crucifix against vampires is that vampires are allergic to bullshit" Richard Pryor

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2010,05:10    Bilbo, for whatever reason, still seems to hold out hope that something useful will come of the "ID project". So I doubt we'll see him here as I guess that would poison him in the minds of the other posters at TT. -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Alan Fox Posts: 1556 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2010,22:28    Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Aug. 22 2010,00:10) Bilbo, for whatever reason, still seems to hold out hope that something useful will come of the "ID project". So I doubt we'll see him here as I guess that would poison him in the minds of the other posters at TT. You may well be right. At the moment he is castigating Kathryn Applegate at Biologos for quote-mining Behe in the process of suggesting Behe was quoting out of context in "Edge of Evolution". Comments don't have permalinks so it's around half-way through starting at comment 29103 Link to Biologos thread PS anyone with any useful references on current views of relatedness of flagella to type three secretory systems, I'd be grateful for a link or two.

Kattarina98 Posts: 1267 Joined: Sep. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 15 2010,03:29    Quote (Alan Fox @ Sep. 14 2010,22:28)   Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Aug. 22 2010,00:10) Bilbo, for whatever reason, still seems to hold out hope that something useful will come of the "ID project". So I doubt we'll see him here as I guess that would poison him in the minds of the other posters at TT. You may well be right. At the moment he is castigating Kathryn Applegate at Biologos for quote-mining Behe in the process of suggesting Behe was quoting out of context in "Edge of Evolution". Comments don't have permalinks so it's around half-way through starting at comment 29103 Link to Biologos thread PS anyone with any useful references on current views of relatedness of flagella to type three secretory systems, I'd be grateful for a link or two. BioLogos is quite interesting: Not only are there regulars who adhere to science, there are also learnéd scholars who can tear the biblical literalists' theological reasoning to shreds. And that is why the lying coward Floyd Lee - who over at PT claimed to be interested in "the interface between science and religion" - never goes there. -------------- Barry Arrington is a bitch.

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 15 2010,10:37    Quote PS anyone with any useful references on current views of relatedness of flagella to type three secretory systems, I'd be grateful for a link or two. You seem to be holding your own http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2615216/ That's a cool article. ETA: Quote It has not escaped our notice that the presence of all the flagellar components on a mobile element suggests a simple and rapid means by which organisms could acquire motility. -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

Alan Fox Posts: 1556 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 15 2010,12:56    Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 15 2010,05:37)   Quote PS anyone with any useful references on current views of relatedness of flagella to type three secretory systems, I'd be grateful for a link or two. You seem to be holding your own http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2615216/ That's a cool article. ETA:   Quote It has not escaped our notice that the presence of all the flagellar components on a mobile element suggests a simple and rapid means by which organisms could acquire motility. Thanks for the encouragement. I am flying by the seat of my pants with Google as co-pilot!

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 15 2010,13:56    So does anyone have any idea what this plasmid is doing toting a suitcase full of flagellum proteins? I mean, what are the odds that one of the first bacteria sequenced would be carrying Behe and Dembski's iconic luggage, unless the world of bacteria is full of such oddities? -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

Texas Teach Posts: 2084 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 15 2010,20:24    Quote (midwifetoad @ Sep. 15 2010,13:56) So does anyone have any idea what this plasmid is doing toting a suitcase full of flagellum proteins? I mean, what are the odds that one of the first bacteria sequenced would be carrying Behe and Dembski's iconic luggage, unless the world of bacteria is full of such oddities? I'd guess about the same as some random meteorological event creating some sort of conveyance out of a set of old parts. -------------- "Creationists think everything Genesis says is true. I don't even think Phil Collins is a good drummer." --J. Carr "I suspect that the English grammar books where you live are outdated" --G. Gaulin

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